The glory days of Epic Games is long gone and Tim Sweeney is a god damn moron.
Fuck that. I’ll delete my Epic account
Epic boss Tim Sweeney thinks stores like Steam should stop labelling games as being made with AI: 'It makes no sense,' he says, because 'AI will be involved in nearly all future production
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fin@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
npcknapsack@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I’m not surprised. People thought he was a good guy because he sued Apple and Google, but he did it for his own profit, not for the principle. And now he wants AI slop games for his own profit, too.
Lfrith@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Him not ordering support for Fortnite on Linux says it all about how serious he actually is about wanting to escape OS ecosystems like Apple, Google, and Windows. He doesn’t care about alternatives.
His only goal is getting more profit, since when it comes to supporting movements thst would help Linux grow that might allow him to not be at the mercy of other corporations he chooses to do nothing. As long as he makes profit he is happy to be on copilot riddled Windows and spyware Google Android. He would rather spend money courts, and considers Linux a waste of money to put resources towards.
zecg@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It does make sense, because I’ll boycott nearly all future productions.
Eh_I@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t know how long it’s been since I even bothered claiming the free game of the week. Like a year.
OldQWERTYbastard@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
My Steam backlog is 600+ games deep so I don’t have to swim in that Epic shit. Sweeney can suck a nut.
psx_crab@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
And i bet you don’t even touch the free game you claimed because Epic launcher take forever to launch.
Katana314@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’ve never even installed the Epic Lawnchair. I just use Heroic, which works very well.
OldQWERTYbastard@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Nobody wants to give their computer AIDS for a free game.
hydrashok@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I’d rather buy a game on Steam than get it for free from Epic. Seriously.
I claimed the first few games and their launcher was shit. Now, to be fair, Steam wasn’t exactly a pinnacle of achievement when it first came out, either, but it’s been refined and honed to a razor. Epic is just “let’s throw shit at the wall and see what happens”, with no coherent strategy or marketing beyond “we’re not Steam!”. Their client, as I understand it, is still shit, and their CEO is a jackass. Haven’t had it installed in years now. Meanwhile, I have a backlog on Steam of like 1000 games.
Why would I ever use Epic? It has no value.
And yes, that goes for games sold on Steam with the “have to use Origin” bullshit, too. I’m not launching Steam to then launch Origin. This is not Inception. Let me play my damn game and stay out of it. Ya know?
imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I got a few epic games to be claimed on epic store. I just don’t. I don’t have an account and I also do not have a will to make one. Nothing of value is there anyway.
jazzkoalapaws@ttrpg.network 2 weeks ago
How do I filter “tim sweeney”?
RaphaelSchmitz@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
He’s right IMHO.
You can make hundreds of AI slop games in the time you can make one game that is a creative work of art.
It would be waaay easier to police 100 games with a “No AI” label, than making sure 10000 slop games have a “Made by AI” label.
Maybe you think something like “but the ratio SHOULD be the other way around”, but to that you honestly have to deal with the answer “should could woulda”.
MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s not his argument, tho. He’s saying all games will be using the slop machine. And hopefully he’s wrong, but if not, there’s plenty of already-made games to go through.
nandeEbisu@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
He’s not wrong about the main point, but I think it just means you need to be clearer about the AI disclosure. Was this AI generated images, text, or voices? Was the codebase just using small amounts of AI tab completion or substantial portions of AI generated code?
Alaik@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
That’s nuance. Don’t make the MBA decision maker’s heads explode.
myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Weird. The guy that has ties with tencent is saying we should not call out ai. Chinese owned tencent would never push out pure ai crap. Or try to push it on their store front.
OldQWERTYbastard@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Company leadership anywhere these days make me sick with the way they try to spin AI like it’s the second fucking coming of Christ when their true intentions are far more insidious.
sakuraba@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Tencent? The same company that commissioned an AI generated video for League of Legends Wild Rift 3rd anniversary and it was so bad Riot had to come out and say they didn’t make at it?
favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Google link? What is it? Won’t click.
Feersummendjinn@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Google free link
sakuraba@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
If Tim has no haters I’m dead
sturmblast@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
These suits are all out of touch morons
Aljernon@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
They can skip the AI label and get down to brass tacks with a “this game sucks” label.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Sigh.
I swear, Epic would probably have a decent reputation (and storefront) if Sweeney would just shut his trap and delete all his social media.
Alaik@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
It’d be worse because you KNOW he’d then spend the time “managing” the creators/devs.
MyDarkestTimeline01@ani.social 2 weeks ago
I think a lot of people might clutch their proverbial pearls when they find out that AI has been involved with game development for years now.
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
Every person in every industry in a rush to replace the work of creative people with output from machine learning models can fuck right off.
Every consumer who is content with products made by such people can also fuck right off.
MoonRaven@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
Thank God the consumer can ignore it if they wish.
Mika@piefed.ca 2 weeks ago
Tbf AI tag should be about AI-generated assets. Cause there is no problem in keeping code quality while using AI, and that’s what the whole dev industry do now.
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
there is no problem in keeping code quality while using AI
This opinion is contradicted by basically everyone who has attempted to use models to generate useful code which must interface with existing codebases. There are always quality issues, it must always be reviewed for functional errors, it rarely interoperates with existing code correctly, and it might just delete your production database no matter how careful you try to be.
Mika@piefed.ca 2 weeks ago
So don’t accept code that is shit. Have decent PR process. Accountability is still on human.
Katana314@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I feel like I get where he’s coming from, but I can see the revulsion.
I picture someone asking their AI to write a rules engine for a gamemode and getting masses of duplicative, horrific code; but in my own work, my company has encouraged an assistive tool, and once it has an idea of what I’m trying to do, it will offer autocomplete options that are pretty spot on.
Still, I very much agree it’s hard to sort the difference and in untrained hands can definitely lead to unmaintainable code slop. Everything needs to get reviewed by knowledgeable human eyes before running.
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Cause there is no problem in keeping code quality while using AI,
Hahahahahahahaha
Nibodhika@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
No, the issue with “AI” is thinking that it’s able to make anything production ready, be it art, code or dialog.
I do believe that LLMs have lots of great applications in a game pipeline, things like placeholders and copilot for small snippets work great, but if you think that anything that an LLM produces is production ready and you don’t need a professional to look at it and redo it (because that’s usually easier than fixing the mistakes) you’re simply out of touch with reality.
Mika@piefed.ca 2 weeks ago
Are you even reading what I say? You are supposed to have a professional approving generated stuff.
But it’s still AI-generated, it doesn’t become less AI-generated because a human that knows shit abot the subject approved it.
dukemirage@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The killer app is language processing and if a localization contractor isn’t using an LLM to quickly check for style errors and inconsistencies, they’re just making it hard for them for no good reason.
drmoose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
He’s right though it’s not a very useful label in general. The AI process is unavoidable as you can use it as a coop tool or inspiration or thousand different ways where AI is not a direct generator.
Personal anecdote: I do quite a bit of visual design these days and always start with some ai prompt to give me some inspiration as subjects I work with are highly corporate and unheard to me. The final product is made by me in Inkscape with some parts being manual traces of AI generated images but it would be dienginous to say that I didn’t use AI here and silly to say that it some “mindless slop”.
ricecake@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Your anecdote isn’t as against expectations as you seem to think. People just also think that what you’re doing is grody.
If you traced a design you found from a Google result, people would object to you saying it was “your” creation. In the ai case, it just also isn’t anyone else’s.
People used to do your job by learning a bit about what they were designing and applying some creativity. You’re quite literally describing the AI enabling you to be less informed and creative as a creative worker.
No one much cares when the button layout for an accounting firms CRM is rote, but people do care when they hear that the designers for the game they’re playing kinda phoned in the art design and it’s significantly a mathematical approximation of other designs.drmoose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I disagree, people fundamentally don’t understand creation and art process if they think it’s an artist in a white room doing everything from the blanks of their mind.
It’s just a vocal minority that’ll eventually grow up.
joonazan@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
I think a better example is that programmers use AI to autocomplete text. They could write the exact same text by hand or use a dumber autocomplete but there is no reason to. The product is exactly the same just delivered with slightly less wear on the programmer’s fingers.
drmoose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s really just scratching the surface of what AI is doing these day in creative workflows. All game tests will eventually be replace with AI and tests often drive new feature development. Refactoring of not only code but assets is also done by AI these days.
Reality is that this label is fundamentally unsustainable and will go away anyway. Willing to bet money on this.
sparkles@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
I don’t care if it is seamless…I want to play games and enjoy art made by human brains. Because to me it’s the closest we can get to being in someone else’s experience of a thing. And yeah we still go through our own filter but this game..or song or painting is someone else’s brain creating and I’m just walking through their vision of the world.
mintiefresh@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
This guy is just a straight up villain.
Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Go ahead and remove it Tim, I already don’t spend money on your platform and I will just continue that.