Submitted 7 hours ago by Mickey7@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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This is a decade or two past the true ideal. Not pictured: the 5-inch sliding control that mechanically adjusted between recirculated and exterior air and the drivers and passengers pull-knob by the feet that let exterior air flow in directly. A heavenly touring experience.Image
Also on the one pictured in your post, I find those lit press to toggle ac and def buttons with indicator lights wore out over time and required a ton of force to switch on the cars I’ve had with them.
I still remember the lever that you described
This should be mandatory by law. Touch screens should not exist in cars for drivers.
One of my best good mates in school had an 84 200 that we dubbed Tron cause of this awesome setup. Great share, thanks!
The next thing will be: I can’t toggle my AC because AWS is down.
your seats overheat and get stuck in the most forward position
You’re lucky if it lets you start the car.
You joke, but I literally came across this. I HATE that I had to connect my window unit to the net, but we have a lot of brownouts in the area, and it allows me to restart the AC if I’m away, or else my pups would cook during the summer if it didn’t turn on. The AWS outage hit, and I couldn’t log in to the app that controls it to turn it on. Luckily, it’s not peak summer and it didn’t get too warm by the time I got home.
If the brownouts don’t last long, you could maybe solve this issue with a moderately priced UPS to keep the AC unit from powering off during the brief moments when power goes out.
Or perhaps, I can’t toggle my AC because I forgot to pay my subscription fee.
Instructions unclear: AWS is doing fine, but my AC won’t shut off until I renew my BMW+ subscription.
You are joking, but I’m pretty sure a few cars could not start or got bricked because AWS went down.
Luckily for me, I don’t even know what ‘AWS’ means.
Amazon Web Services, are huge data centers that many companies rent to run their services.
The other day one of those AWS data center had issues and many services didn’t work, also because of this many heated beds stopped working properly and over-heated.
I want to set my hvac to a temp and let it sort out whether it should heat or cool.
That’s what I have and it’s basically just as simple. So anything beyond these two things…nope.
The only complaint I have with this is that you can’t control which vents are open when you turn on front defrost. I prefer a button for each vent.
I have this too. So much better than OP’s layout. Easy to use without looking. Radio use with gloves.
Having large buttons inside appropriate knobs makes it easier to find those without looking
I bitch about this every time I’m drive anything but my old truck that still has these!
However you probably don’t miss the manual choke valve, double clutching, hand winded starter crank, or even window cranks.
There was really no golden period of car controls. It went fluidly from one kind of shit to another kind of shit.
From 2006-2012 we had decently reliable, simple to operate vehicles, that got not shit gas mileage
I’m currently driving a low-mileage 2012 Mazda 3 that we have owned since new, and it’s pretty great. It’s a 40mpg hwy vehicle, is fun to drive on the back roads to work manually selecting gears, and I can load 8ft lumber and 10ft pipes into it lengthwise (it’s a sedan too, not hatchback) at home depot while the guys hopping back into their shiny $80,000 commuter trucks watch me.
I think I want to replace it with an MX5 one day. Recent Mazda interiors I’ve looked at seem to have kept a reasonable balance of physical controls along with moderately sized infotainment screens. So maybe a new one could be on the table. We’ll see how the next revision turns out.
That was also the period when the introduction of tire pressure sensors created brand new issue that people never had before.
I dunno. I had an 03 Corolla that had heated seats and electric windows that held on to gas like a camel with water. Best car i ever has
Though it is functional, it is ugly.
No u
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I think you mean brakes, but funnily enough both work in this context.
I did, but wait how does the other one work?
I’d argue split climate for the driver and passenger seat is the only important missing innovation.
3 zone a/c is also pretty nice. No more “it’s too <exact opposite of what the driver is feeling>” whining from the back.
True, but in my experience that’s on a separate console in the back seat.
That and the ability to set a temperature that is then automatically maintained.
Just point the vents fancyman
I somewhat regularly drive 9+ hours and split controls are not really comparable to just pointing the vents. If I am the driver, I need cool air blowing at me to keep me awake and alert. No longer having to compromise with passengers has been a pretty big improvement for a drive that long.
Hard disagree with this. Climate control has become a must for me since the early 2000s. Set and forget is always better than fiddling with things. And now my current car has three levels of automatic so it doesn’t go full blast at the beginning, it’s amazing.
Automatic AC is good. Having an accident while looking at which part of the touchscreen the finger has to press is straight retarded engineering.
So, even better argument for auto climate control. Set it once when you first get in your car and are still parked, then leave it. However, yes buttons please. If this meme is about buttons vs touch screen, then I strongly agree with the meme. My vehicle not only has the auto climate, but also it is using buttons. They’re stupid capacitive touch buttons that Hyundai has since switched back away from, but at least they’re always in the same spot and I don’t have to change any screens to access them.
I love automatic AC, but I sadly share cars with people who crank the temperature down to below 65*F the second they get into a hot car.
Let me play devils advocate……
One of my cars has the hvac controls on the screen and it’s usually fine, because it is actually smart. I only need to set the temperature and it remembers that.
For example now that it’s getting cold, I almost never need to touch those controls
So long as the vents have analog dials that manipulate how much air is coming out. Otherwise I’d have to be pro left/right temperature difference. When it’s 100 degrees out side and someone says the AC is to cold it blows my mind
If there is 100 degrees, your water boils.
Probably means 100 degrees of Freedom° units no C°
Then the a/c can’t be too cold!
There is such a thing as the AC being to cold. When I turn it all the way down in my car it’s like being inside a freezer. It legitimately starts to hurt where it blows on your skin after a while. Same with the heat though, it gets so hot that you burn yourself if you touch the vents.
I miss my old car where the engine was so small it got up to temp in minutes even in -30 and the airflow was so direct it felt like it was burning your hands if you aimed it right at the steering wheel
You know you can adjustt the temperature AND air flow, right? You can blast the air to accelerate to the desired temperature and then dial back on the air flow and temperature to keep the car actually pleasent. I only say this because i have a friend who cranks the heat full blast in the winter and then rolls down his windows while still max blasting the heating! Dude has serious brain worms.
When it’s 100F or higher, there is no such thing as AC too cold.
Add dual climate control and then I’m with you.
My vw passat has that, but the temp control maintains the temperature, so straight up is 72°f
I still have this. I can adjust all of it without ever looking at knobs while driving. Good luck doing that with touch bs.
Never letting go of it.
Fat disagree. No way. Nope. I have cooling seats in 105 degree weather. Ain’t nothing like my balls having a cooking time on the commute home.
With the old style set up I just popped a small ice bag under them
Ever notice how social politics got all fucked up when these went away?
Reagan.
Heated and cooling seats…
Split zones
Heated steering wheels
And so much more…
I swear the Luddite whining about car tech never ends…
Heated and cooling seats…“I sit on a small ice bag”
Split zones “all car interiors are too small to have a significant difference”
Heated steering wheels - “I wear gloves on cold days”
All of that stuff is great.
Just don’t make me use a touch screen while I’m driving.
Bro obviously they’re lauding physical mechanical buttons, not condemning useful features. Every single thing you listed can be controlled with manual tactile buttons. The issue that people have is with needless touchscreens and unnecessary digital interfaces.
It’s not the actual tech, generally speaking, that people are upset about. Although your Luddite reference is probably more accurate than you intended.
The Luddites weren’t anti-tech, they were anti- the damage it was doing to the people who did the work.
Most people who hate these new technologies aren’t mad at the tech itself, they’re mad at the quality that’s produced when the only concern is lowering costs and the extractive infrastructure built around it. A monthly fucking subscription for heated seats. This exists now.
The alternative to this is the galaxy brained take: “THESE PEOPLE HATE HAVING A COMFORTABLE ASS WHILE DRIVING”
Your being way too generous…
The people that are upset about this are just whining for fake internet points…
Split zones aren’t real, thermostats in cars do not work. Heated seats are nice.
Split zones are completely real as are the thermostats…
My 2018 vehicle has intuitive tactile knobs & buttons. Easy to operate without eyes ever leaving the road. I am grateful.
After many such threads I’ve come to the conclusion that peak car is between 2014 and 2018.
I’m old enough to believe I’ll never have to drive something with a touch screen.
I design touch screen UI as part of my job and I can see no argument for one in a vehicle other than GPS, and for that I have my phone.
hmm, I’ll have to look at that range for my next vehicle.
for my preferred budget, I’m looking at 2010 to 2015, but that’s mostly because they stopped making economical wagons after that point (Toyota Matrix and Hyundai Elantra Touring are what I’m looking at)
it seems like even in that year range, once you get above the low cost vehicles, they start introducing shitty tech. but I haven’t looked closely enough at things in the last 10 years to see how they’ve progressed year to year, because frankly it’s just more money than I want to spend
I’d cap it at 2000.
First gen tundra controls really are excellent. They and used mechanical linkages for the diverter and for the hot/cold control. The only problem is the knobs get loose over time and can break or fall off when you accellerate.
My car is still mainly like this.
It has a touchscreen thing but it’s only for the entertainment and it has steering wheel controls as well so there’s an alternative to using the screen while driving.
I’m not wealthy enough to own a car that has anything newer than this lmao
It’s true. I hate my touch screen to control airflow in my car. Every time I go to adjust it, it fucks up and I’m distracted while driving.
I have this and I will not change.
RETVRN
I should do a video on the bad UX in the Mach E.
moseschrute@lemmy.world 16 minutes ago
I disagree. I like that I can set my temperature to an exact number and the car will automatically adjust to that temp. We should have stopped there. That’s was the holy grail of temperature control.
surph_ninja@lemmy.world 8 minutes ago
I’d add being able to set a different temperature for the driver and passenger. It’s a godsend for relationships.