Easy. “Sex” is only P in V. Anything else isn’t sex. Probably also the type of people that insist trans men aren’t men, etc.
get sum
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Vanth@reddthat.com 14 hours ago
Gullible@sh.itjust.works 13 hours ago
Uhh, I’m not sure you’re familiar with what sex is, if that’s your definition. After all, your description includes soaking, and those Mormon teens assured me that neither god nor the government would mind.
Vanth@reddthat.com 13 hours ago
(psst, I’m explaining why they may have structured the question in the way they did, not explaining what I consider to be sex)
toynbee@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
… What is soaking in this context (or should I avoid asking)?
TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip 5 hours ago
Honestly I trust a plot with huge error bars much more than a plot with tiny error bars or constant error bars.
turtlesareneat@discuss.online 8 hours ago
It might be 5%, it might be 16%. Those are basically the same number, moving along
Pencilnoob@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
wordsmith, you’ve caused me to laugh, well done!
rumschlumpel@feddit.org 14 hours ago
I’d assume that there’s actually more virgins between 18-30 nowadays, though. Loneliness might not be a specifically male epidemic, but it certainly is a societal epidemic in most western countries.
mormund@feddit.org 12 hours ago
I won’t disagree that loneliness is an issue in our society. But I don’t think it is the only “problem”. Anecdotally for me: I wasn’t ready to have sex, a relationship or for dating for a long time. So I’m mostly happy to have taken that time. In previous generations you’d marry and have kids for a while at that point. I think we have a lot more room to grow individually today.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org 12 hours ago
We also have more room to fail individually today. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not proposing that we get back to where western societies were in the 50s, but there are definitely downsides to our current societies that need to be dealt with.
Speculater@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
I work with a horny 24-year-old virgin that’s socially awkward and saving it for marriage…
webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 13 hours ago
“Since they turned 18” also seems needlessly specific.
ComfortableRaspberry@feddit.org 13 hours ago
Didn’t you know? When you turn 18 your body hits the virginity reset button!
_stranger_@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
I’m guessing thats to avoid some ethical grey areas. Or theyre specifically gathering data on men after highschool.
Draces@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
I assume they don’t want to open a can of worms regarding childhood abuse. Doesn’t seem needless
TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
Two consenting 16 year olds having sex is neither child abuse, nor illegal in the UK.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 10 hours ago
I interpret the results as men between 18 and 29 who’ve never had sex. I’d answer at least 1 if I had sex at 17.
ranandtoldthat@beehaw.org 7 hours ago
Really depends on what the question asked. I’d mostly trust the GSS to report the data correctly, but not really trust Wapo to do so. I looked at GSS questions (can’t view data on mobile) and it seems like Wapo might be being drawing some misleading conclusions from the data, as no question specifically asked this. Hard to be sure.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 5 hours ago
You don’t have sex partners.
I don’t even have friends.
We are not the same…
Well unless you count my cat as a friend, but that seems one sided. (My cat doesn’t see me as a friend, just a dumb monkey)
shalafi@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Does this weird anyone else out? Graduated HS in 1989 and it seemed like we were all fucking, even the nerds. I’m short and scrawny, still tripped and fell into pussy now and again.
There’s something really alarming about this, can’t put my finger on it. It’s certainly weird that today’s young people aren’t fucking when we were going nuts during the AIDS epidemic, risking our lives for that cookie. Sex is such a basic human need I can’t imagine what going without is doing to mental health.
TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 11 hours ago
It think that rather than early - really early - exposure to porn turning everyone into sex-fiends, it’s actually terrifying a lot of them. What if I don’t want to gargle cum like Adriana Chechik? What if I don’t have a 10 inch cock to stuff my stepmother with?
A more optimistic reading might be that masturbating is easier, freer, quicker, and more accepted than ever before. Rather than risk an STI, pregnancy or human relationship, just crank one out and get back to work.
Zwiebel@feddit.org 10 hours ago
Another hypothesis; The dopamine machine smartphone
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Even the boys I knew in high school already had messed up ideas about sex from porn, and that was 20 years ago.
I never got into visual porn, which made for confusing experiences dating guys who knew little else, in my teens and early 20s. Aside from the obvious confusion that brought to the bedroom about what we were expecting, it was surprising how many guys had perfectly wonderful bodies yet thought they were inadequate. One guy had a 8.5" (47cm) long dick and still thought it wasn’t big enough. I told him, “Dude, you repeatedly stab my cervix. Trust me, you’re big enough.”
It seems that dick insecurity is really common, and that no penis-haver is immune, no matter the size nor what partners tell them.
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
it seemed like we were all fucking, even the nerds
Checking in as a nerd who went to high school in the 00’s. Yes, we were still fucking then. Especially the marching band nerds. Don’t get me started on what people got up to on our long bus trips…
shalafi@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
LOL my god you band fags were THIRSTY. (Archie Bunker voice: What?! That’s what we called them people in dose days!) One of my band friends was little Miss Christian, plainly dressed, straight A kinda kid, raspy voice from an emergency tracheotomy.
One day in advanced European history, hissing at me, “Have you tried tying Debbie (my gf) up?! Steve tied me to the bed and it was awesome! Railed my brains out!” “👀 Uh, yeah, we tried that and loved it!” Next thing we’re comparing notes on knots and BDSM techniques. “Couldn’t get away, right?” Then class started. Back to business!
Still laugh my ass off at the American Pie band camp chick! Yes kids, we did that shit.
LOL, first time I got my finger wet was at a church camp retreat. They had to know what was going to happen if you throw a bunch of 14-17yo kids in sleeping bags and turn the lights off. Movie night at the church down the street was date night! Yeah, just going to throw this blanket over us. It’s cold, OK?!"
Valmond@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
But it was also something people lied a lot about so the numbers could be shaky. Maybe we should redo it and ask old people when they got laid the first time.
Fredselfish@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Yeah I learned the math from American Pie. But we got laid more, because we met people in the real world more. Also when dating sites first came out, they were actually built to find you a partner. I got laid so much more from those apps. I hear today those apps main goal is to keep you on the app. (So glad met my wife on OkCuipd before the enshitiction)
I mean I once met woman from Craigslist on personal connections or whatnot. Not even sure that a thing now.
Plus younger people aren’t sex crazed like we were. I have three boys. Oldest 21 to youngest 16. Two in relationships. At 16 I was chasing girls like crazy. My 16 year old son could care less. He has other priorities. And my middle son isn’t trying to get laid with his trans boyfriend. I mean as a father kinda glad they aren’t out knocking up girls and shit. At same time do worry about it. But think it’s us not them.
Probably don’t help that life harder now and their future looks bleak.
MagicShel@lemmy.zip 8 hours ago
Graduated in 91. Can’t confirm first time for anyone but me and one girlfriend but I will confirm we were getting laid. I was almost 15 and she had recently turned 15. Can also confirm post virginity high school sex with another girl. I really only had two serious girlfriends in high school. I had a few other near misses but I don’t recall any others that sealed the deal off the top of my head. I wasn’t swimming in it, but I did pretty well for a nerd with self-confidence issues.
user224@lemmy.sdf.org 9 hours ago
It’s certainly weird that today’s young people aren’t fucking when we were going nuts during the AIDS epidemic
I am certainly not normal enough to represent anyone else here, but while not HIV, I do fear HPV (the sexually-transmitted strains).
My parents did not get me vaccinated against it when it would have been covered by insurance, because… because.
So, some quick overview from my mind which you shouldn’t trust as a source of information: Often marketed as something to protect women from cervical cancer, thus being reduced to “the vaccine for girls”. That’s often the view of public even now that it is also recommended to boys, which wasn’t always the case. Even then, the reason often ended up being not spreading HPV onto women. People being stupid -> Either “I have a boy, so it doesn’t matter.” or “I raised my girl well, she won’t need it.”
Well anyway, for men, throat cancer, anal cancer and penile cancer sound pretty relevant.
Speaking of penile cancer, yesterday I came across photo of a man who got large cancerous growth on his trunk as a result of HPV, and had to undergone penectomy (i.e. bye dickie), plus the radiation therapy went wrong causing large burns.
All in all, basically a cancer vaccine, only effective if you didn’t come into contact with HPV, which most sexually active people do, also why it’s typically only given to kids.So, moving on, Gardasil-9 protects against 9 high-risk strains. Doesn’t sound like a bad idea even if you had sex, likely you haven’t collected all 9 yet. But certainly best before.
So, 3 doses, 2nd after 2, 3rd after 6 months. I think they take around a month to become effective, so I guess 7 months for total vaccination. Paid by patient, almost 400 EUR for all 3 doses as far as I could find in my country.So, not like I could get any regardless, but safer sex would cost me 7 months of waiting and almost 400 EUR while I am about to start college and make 4.70 EUR per hour. And it cannot be fully done retroactively. It’s also good to have saved some money. If my laptop or phone breaks, I need a replacement immediately (and I sure as fuck want another convertible ThinkPad).
shalafi@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
So thankful that vaccine came out! Got genital warts in the 90s, had 'em burned off a couple of times, EXTREMELY painfully. Never passed 'em on, but I would happily have avoided that mess. And fuck me, we had no idea of the cancer risks. Everyone needs that shot.
Also, caught crabs, TWICE, didn’t even get laid. :( Slept in dad’s guest room after his friend was there the previous night, came back on me a month later. Now there’s talk of the little fuckers going extinct!
Still, those vaccines should be free. Your story and numbers make me sad. We could wipe that shit out in a single generation!
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Paid by patient, almost 400 EUR for all 3 doses as far as I could find in my country.
Whoa. As an American who got the Gardasil vaccine for free in my 20s, this feels really weird. Paying for preventive medicine sounds like something I’d expect around here. I was in the notoriously-backwards state of Florida and had already been sexually active for several years, yet the vaccine was still covered for me.
sobchak@programming.dev 9 hours ago
I think the far-right “manosphere” influencers are a good indication at what it does to mental health. Fascism, and extremist groups in general, seem to thrive on men not getting laid. IDK what the cause of this is though; I suppose more digital, less IRL social entertainment. They drink and do less drugs, which could be a reason too (especially drinking).
socsa@piefed.social 9 hours ago
I don't think it's that complicated. In 1989, your average young male hadn't entirely given himself over to fascism. All of this manoshpere shit started right around that 2010-2012 timeframe.
Zwiebel@feddit.org 10 hours ago
I don’t trip, I’m not clumsy like that 😌
socsa@piefed.social 10 hours ago
They're turning the incels gay!
Phineaz@feddit.org 9 hours ago
Aren’t they turning the gays to incels?
YesButActuallyMaybe@lemmy.ca 8 hours ago
There’s a brief period where they go full femboy first
zarathustra0@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
If they changed the question now theh wouldn’t have conti uous data going back to 1989 anymore.
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Sure, but like… maybe that data isn’t really relevant either if that’s how it was phrased?
Pollster: “Have you ever had sex with a woman?”
Closeted gay guy when being gay could get you ostracized or killed: “Oh… y… yeah! I love the vaginas. So… slippery and… moist (gag)”
Pollster: “NICE!” high five
zarathustra0@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Yeah, this problem applies to all questions.
misteloct@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 hours ago
People weren’t gay until 1989 so that makes sense. Literally not a single one.
oftheair@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 hours ago
You’re kind of not wrong in a way because in a lot of societies and cultures, even in the past, being gay wasn’t seen as abnormal or it was a part of certain politics etc, so likely people could ‘get away’ with a lot more than they can now. There are and were also cultures where it’s not seen as an other, which is the world we can all hope for.
zarathustra0@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
But society was a fair bit more socially conservative when discussing homosexuality.
Hairyfishnuts@sh.itjust.works 6 hours ago
Direct results of all that Barney and Spermbob bullshit.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 10 hours ago
OP is saying gay sex being excluded, iiuc. Trend seems extreme since 2008, and it would be nice to see the spikes to 16% or so 3 times between 1989 and 2008. The spikes could be corelated to rising stock market bubbles for all I know. Seems over double the 1989-2008 average that I guesstimate at 12%.
Maybe gay men used to experiemnt with women to “find out”? Maybe harsher economic inequality keeps men home? It’s not obviously internet porn, which became available in late 90s, though 20 years later would get a lot of under 30s.
marcos@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
It’s not obviously internet porn
It’s social networks and the loss of 3rd (and 1st) places. Everybody knows what the problem is. Everybody has some idea how to fix it (look how to fix car transit). Every person in power is intent on refusing to improve things in any way and making it worse.
RedSnt@feddit.dk 7 hours ago
Trend seems extreme since 2008
Huh, just after the release of the first smartphone, odd.
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 13 hours ago
They’re going with Human Sacrifice rules
Bronstein_Tardigrade@lemmygrad.ml 6 hours ago
Is it when the respondent turns 18 or when their female prey turns 18? The White House is asking for clarification.
SoyViking@hexbear.net 12 hours ago
Some of these have non-female partners but I don’t think it is unreasonable to think that loneliness is on the rise. It is one of the ways capitalism is degrading society.
logicbomb@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
They could have just removed the word “female.”
CrookedSerpent@hexbear.net 11 hours ago
Straggot moment
SPRUNT@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
“Jane, did you compare the percentage of teenage male Rex Manning fans to the incidence of homosexuality amongst teenage males?”
Metaverse669@lemmy.world 2 minutes ago
Many people don’t know that the ancient Greeks needed a lot of brothels to keep the male population under control. It was assumed that, without brothels, male frustration would lead to the collapse of Greece.