Eh, that makes it too easy for AI to avoid eating its own excrement
My Honest Opinion
Submitted 1 year ago by ekZepp@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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MBM@lemmings.world 1 year ago
spujb@lemmy.cafe 1 year ago
interesting counterpoint. but i also imagine if ai content was correctly tagged traffic to slop content would dramatically decrease, reducing incentive to post the content in the first place.
i don’t know which force is stronger but i think both certainly exist.
NudeNewt@lemm.ee 1 year ago
This. Don’t let AI or AI posters know that you caught on. Just report them and be on your way.
HikingVet@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Ew, steve chowder the nazi
ekZepp@lemmy.world 1 year ago
in all honesty i just know the meme 🤔
HikingVet@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
The person in the picture is a piece of shit right wing commentor.
Wogi@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Theonetheycall1845@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I am in complete agreement with this. While you can currently tell what’s AI it won’t be long before we’re scratching our heads wondering which way is up and which way is down. Hell, I saw an AI generated video of a cat cooking food. It looked real sortve.
Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Most photos taken or edited on a cell phone are enhanced with AI. Where do you draw the line?
ewigkaiwelo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
A.I. generated 👉here is the line👈 A.I. enhanced
ekZepp@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That will do 👌
Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
so if I use an AI engine to do in-painting on an existing image, then that’s fine? This image is AI enhanced: Image
Would it need to be tagged? (obviously should be tagged NSFL)
ThomasCrappersGhost@feddit.uk 1 year ago
Not everyone will use it. Many right wing types spreading divisive or incorrect information, for example.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I’ve also seen boobies that were not flagged NSFW. I didn’t throw my hands up and just delete my NSFW filter though.
ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
I was going to suggest community tagging. But then I remembered that’s how Steam works and their game tags are so stupid. So many “souls like” but not really.
Pika@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
so many “multiplayer” ones that are strictly single player as well.
Or steamplay compatible with MP tag but they expected you to just give control to your friend and watch as it’s SP only
hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
True, but it’d still help.
reev@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
And sets a precedent for moderation.
Spiderwort@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Maybe all digital content just shouldn’t be trusted. It’s like some kind of demon-realm or something. Navigable by the wise but for common fools like you and I, perilous. Full of illusion.
ekZepp@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m more like a moron fool, but ok.
Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Give me a “Elon Musk” & “Donald Trump” Instead. These Fuck faces are everywhere.
RandomVideos@programming.dev 1 year ago
Or just a US politics tag
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Get Politics Out Of My Shitposts
I just want banal generic memes with hollow aphorisms, preferably with images of babies or puppies or something. I’m tired of waking up in the morning and being confronted with the social expression of my degraded material conditions. People need to just STFU with their outcries of frustration and despair and get back to being clowns for my amusement.
ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
“Elon Musk and Donald Trump were individuals?”
(people in 2035, who were not around during the Cronenberg-ing of Musk & Trump in 2028)
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
political posts should have a tag as well, so people can filter them out. people just bluesky, pixfed, … instead of lemmy because of all the politics here.
Samsy@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Yeah, we need to stop all the politics in here!
Strokes his penguin over the head
TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
omg yes. it’s so difficult getting someone to join Lemmy and giving them a list of terms to block if I know they won’t like politics
Siegfried@lemmy.world 1 year ago
“Wait, everything is politics?!”
“Always has been”
ramble81@lemm.ee 1 year ago
And people want a NSFL tag and people want a…
You get a tag, and you get a tag, and you all get a tag!
spujb@lemmy.cafe 1 year ago
bring flairs to lemmy! i miss flairs!
Slovene@feddit.nl 1 year ago
15 pieces of flair minimum.
Irelephant@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Just give us a “Sensitive” checkbox and a “Reason” textbox.
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Personally, I don’t really care.
I do enjoy some types of AI content, I do bo enjoy others. Same as any other type of content. So that tag would be useless for my personal preferences.
ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I think ai posts should only be posted on ai communities so I can block them all at the same time.
Seriously. Even for memes and funny stuff ai needs to fuck off.
And the fact that everyone even calls it ai when it’s not even close to being a vi is infuriating.
piecat@lemmy.world 1 year ago
ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Compling
Yeah that about sums it up
ekZepp@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Dude… or should I say, dude??? 🤖
hmmm@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
It have on R34 Website and Porn Website.
rockerface@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Tech progress has always been driven by humanity’s desire to either kill or fuck someone. I, for one, prefer horny-based progress. Make love, not war, and all that.
desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
we need more innovation in the intersection of killing and fucking, perhaps by designing more realistic fuck-dolls that can have explosives rigged to them to trap and kill soldiers.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It should be fineable starting at like 500 dollars + any profits and ad revenue if its not labelled
JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 year ago
How much money is a Lemmy upvote?
Nugscree@lemmy.world 1 year ago
At least one money?
cley_faye@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Sure. Only problem is, it’s a people issue. Some people making ai generated content may be honest and willing to abide to such rule, but most are proud to not even read the rules and just blast shitty slop left and right. For this second category of people, when you point it to them, a very small percentage of them goes “oh, sorry”. The vast majority just keep posting until blocked.
Granted, this experience mostly stems from every media posting sites out there, so it may be a bit biased…
Piemanding@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Also, you can’t really regulate other countries. Especially if that country is China.
fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 1 year ago
Adobe is trying for the opposite. Content authenticity with digital signatures to show something is not AI (been having conversations with them on this).
Tetsuo@jlai.lu 1 year ago
Oh I’m sure Adobe has the greatest of intentions on this. Such a reputable company that has a stellar past.
I’m sure they won’t gatekeep this digital human signature in some atrocious proprietary standard along with an expensive subscription to have the honor of using it.
Don’t listen to Adobe on AI or even better don’t accept any “idea” or solution from Adobe.
ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
Yeah pretty much.
I recall when flash was
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
How would that work then, I presume most would just ignore it because if it only verifies you used Adobe to make something it’s pretty worthless as a “this isn’t AI” mark.
AeonFelis@lemmy.world 1 year ago
As valid and informative as TwitteX’ blue mark.
fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 1 year ago
It uses cryptographic signatures in the cameras and tools. Say you take a photo with a compatible camera, it gets a signature. Then you retouch in Photoshop, it gets a another signature. And this continues through however many layers. The signature is in the file’s EXIF data, so it can be read on the web. Meaning a photo on a news site could be labeled as authentic, retouched, etc.
kernelle@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Very nice idea in theory, but proving there is no AI involved in the creation of art is not something I think is remotely possible. It’s an arms race more than anything, but I’m very interested in how Adobe will tackle it. I think people will be appreciating physical art more again, but even then we could argue about the usage of AI tools.
Anyhow, people will have to come to terms with the fact that AI is here to stay, and will only get better too.
fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 1 year ago
My other reply talks about how this works with cryptographic signatures, but sure, people can lie. The key to this method is if there is a signature from a reputable artist, news org, or photographer, then that origin can’t be forged. So it’s about proving the authenticity (origin) vs the negative use of AI.
JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 1 year ago
And being adobe, they will put a nice little backdoor in it for them to change the credentials so that they can take artists’ work and use it, train their AI with it, and sell it like they have been doing for years.
fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 1 year ago
You can’t change the credentials if the user owns the private key. But nothing stops AI training, that’s part of the terms of service of some of their products, which operate outside the realm of this more open initiative.
Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
I think that will be increasingly impossible to enforce, as AI art gets increasingly better.
Also, if someone finds some cool art online how are they to know if AI was used or not?
MarcomachtKuchen@feddit.org 1 year ago
For me it would not be about enforcing but about giving the option to disclaim it.
ekZepp@lemmy.world 1 year ago
exactly 👍
rtxn@lemmy.world 1 year ago
If AI artists are so confident that they are equals, why are they trying so hard to hide it?
Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Because it gets a negative response? Regardless of whether they think it has a valid place as an art form, if they know it will get a negative response they probably won’t want to share it.
gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
I made a cool new avatar concept for one of my public accounts, shared it with some people to see what they thought, used AI to do so. Everyone said it was amazing and they couldn’t wait to see it in use until I mentioned it was an AI mockup to use to pay someone to make something like it, then suddenly it sucked
It’s like Hitler’s paintings, they’re kinda somewhat decent enough for what they are but because of who/what made them they’re suddenly a big deal
OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
We’re not trying to hide it, we care if you think it’s AI or not. We just want to make majestic art
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 year ago
as AI art gets increasingly better
I don’t see it getting better nearly so much as I see it getting pervasive. When AI is one submission in ten and you’ve got a 90% flag rate, you can trim the instance of unflagged content to one submission in a hundred. But when AI is nine submissions in ten, half your feed is still AI-slop. When its ninety-nine submissions in a hundred, you’re looking at nine AI images in ten even with a filter.
The AI doesn’t need to get any better at evading the filter. It just needs to beat the filter by raw numbers.
Majorllama@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That might work for now when those of us who know what to look for can readily identify AI content for the time being, but there will be a time when nobody can tell anymore. How will we enforce the tagging then? Bad actors will always lie anyway. Some will accidentally post it without knowing its AI.
I think they should add a tag for it anyway so those who are knowingly posting AI stuff can tag it but I fear that in the next few years the AI images and videos will be inescapable and impossible to identify reliably even for people who are usually good at picking out altered or fake images and videos.
Stovetop@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’d even be worried that bad actors would abuse the tag to take legitimate footage of something they want to discredit and reposting it everywhere with AI tags. They could take control of the narrative if enough people become convinced that it’s AI-generated and use that to flip the accusations back on the people trying to spread the truth.
Majorllama@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah unfortunately bad actors ruin pretty much everything. We can do our best as a society to set things up in a way where systems can’t be abused but the sad reality is we just need to raise people better.
Lying, cheating (the academic or competitive integrity kind) and many other undesirable behaviors are part of human nature but good parenting teaches kids not to use those.
flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Good point.
Bugger…
state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Text, sure. But I don’t get the hate towards AI generated images. If it’s a good image and it’s not meant to mislead, I am completely fine with AI content. It’s not slop if it’s good.
liyunxiao@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
It’s still stolen content. Regardless of any other issues, it’s 100% stolen content.
state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
I am torn on that. If it’s a company making money off of it, despicable. If it’s an open source model used for memes? I’m fine with that. We shouldn’t act like artists follow some magical calling from god. Anything anyone creates is built on their education and the media they were exposed to. I don’t think generative models are any different.
Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 1 year ago
So I assume you are morally opposed to piracy?
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Is this AI content?
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 year ago
renzev@lemmy.world 1 year ago
A lot of people seem to think that all ai art is low effort garbage, which is just not true. There can be a lot of skill put into crafting the correct prompt to get the image you want from an image generator, not to mention the technical know-how of setting it up locally. The “ai art is not art” argument to me doesn’t sound any more substantiated than “electronic musicians aren’t musicians, go learn a real instrument” or “photographers aren’t really artists, all they do is push a button”. But regardless, I agree that we need good tagging, or as @ThatWeirdGuy1001 said, different communities. Even though the output looks similar, actually drawing things and wrangling prompts are two completely different skillsets, and the way we engage with the artistic product of those skills is completely different. You wouldn’t submit a photo you took to a watercolor painting contest. Same with ai art and non-ai art.
Anyway, just thought i’d share my opinion as an ai non-hater.
Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I mean, trigger warning, nsfl, and other labels have been requested forever now. Might as well put AI into the rotation.
megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Definitely, just to prevent it from being normalized. Just like crypto, flying cars, psychics, MLM businesses, this shit will fade in to the into the domain of low skill grifters.
westyvw@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Would you also want one for everything photoshopped? I fail to really see a difference. What if I train an AI to use photoshop? Then what?
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Other way round. Real content will be marked as genuine. No mark will be assumed to be AI.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
I think that would be a great Lemmy feature that puts an AI content warning when it is so tagged, similar to how it blurs images tagged NSFW.
jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 1 year ago
And it should be tagged at every level: metadata, watermark, poster, website. Redundancies will make it harder to use AI for lying.
Internet-wide, culture-wide, society-wide.
WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Totally agree. Yes.
henfredemars@infosec.pub 1 year ago
Slop is insulting. If I take the time to read it, I want another human to have taken the time to write it.
reev@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
The counter there is to have an AI summarize it. No time taken to write nor to read haha
Empricorn@feddit.nl 1 year ago
That would work if it didn’t get even that wrong a huge amount of time. There are entire subreddits dedicated to AI summary fails!
lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 1 year ago
So iPhone 16 notification?
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I foresee a future where we have an AI layer on top of corporate emails, translating from English to corpo-speak and back to English again.
lolrightythen@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Agree to an extent. Its a tool that can aid talentless folk like myself shitpost, and has its place. But I agree with tags and disagree with inundating forums and stealing ip