Eh, that makes it too easy for AI to avoid eating its own excrement
My Honest Opinion
Submitted 3 months ago by ekZepp@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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MBM@lemmings.world 3 months ago
spujb@lemmy.cafe 3 months ago
interesting counterpoint. but i also imagine if ai content was correctly tagged traffic to slop content would dramatically decrease, reducing incentive to post the content in the first place.
i don’t know which force is stronger but i think both certainly exist.
NudeNewt@lemm.ee 3 months ago
This. Don’t let AI or AI posters know that you caught on. Just report them and be on your way.
HikingVet@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
Ew, steve chowder the nazi
ekZepp@lemmy.world 3 months ago
in all honesty i just know the meme 🤔
HikingVet@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
The person in the picture is a piece of shit right wing commentor.
Wogi@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Theonetheycall1845@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I am in complete agreement with this. While you can currently tell what’s AI it won’t be long before we’re scratching our heads wondering which way is up and which way is down. Hell, I saw an AI generated video of a cat cooking food. It looked real sortve.
Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de 3 months ago
Most photos taken or edited on a cell phone are enhanced with AI. Where do you draw the line?
ewigkaiwelo@lemmy.world 3 months ago
A.I. generated 👉here is the line👈 A.I. enhanced
ekZepp@lemmy.world 3 months ago
That will do 👌
Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de 3 months ago
so if I use an AI engine to do in-painting on an existing image, then that’s fine? This image is AI enhanced: Image
Would it need to be tagged? (obviously should be tagged NSFL)
ThomasCrappersGhost@feddit.uk 3 months ago
Not everyone will use it. Many right wing types spreading divisive or incorrect information, for example.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
I’ve also seen boobies that were not flagged NSFW. I didn’t throw my hands up and just delete my NSFW filter though.
ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 3 months ago
I was going to suggest community tagging. But then I remembered that’s how Steam works and their game tags are so stupid. So many “souls like” but not really.
Pika@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
so many “multiplayer” ones that are strictly single player as well.
Or steamplay compatible with MP tag but they expected you to just give control to your friend and watch as it’s SP only
hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 months ago
True, but it’d still help.
reev@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
And sets a precedent for moderation.
Spiderwort@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
Maybe all digital content just shouldn’t be trusted. It’s like some kind of demon-realm or something. Navigable by the wise but for common fools like you and I, perilous. Full of illusion.
ekZepp@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I’m more like a moron fool, but ok.
Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Give me a “Elon Musk” & “Donald Trump” Instead. These Fuck faces are everywhere.
RandomVideos@programming.dev 3 months ago
Or just a US politics tag
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Get Politics Out Of My Shitposts
I just want banal generic memes with hollow aphorisms, preferably with images of babies or puppies or something. I’m tired of waking up in the morning and being confronted with the social expression of my degraded material conditions. People need to just STFU with their outcries of frustration and despair and get back to being clowns for my amusement.
ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 3 months ago
“Elon Musk and Donald Trump were individuals?”
(people in 2035, who were not around during the Cronenberg-ing of Musk & Trump in 2028)
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 3 months ago
political posts should have a tag as well, so people can filter them out. people just bluesky, pixfed, … instead of lemmy because of all the politics here.
Samsy@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
Yeah, we need to stop all the politics in here!
Strokes his penguin over the head
TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
omg yes. it’s so difficult getting someone to join Lemmy and giving them a list of terms to block if I know they won’t like politics
Siegfried@lemmy.world 3 months ago
“Wait, everything is politics?!”
“Always has been”
ramble81@lemm.ee 3 months ago
And people want a NSFL tag and people want a…
You get a tag, and you get a tag, and you all get a tag!
spujb@lemmy.cafe 3 months ago
bring flairs to lemmy! i miss flairs!
Slovene@feddit.nl 3 months ago
15 pieces of flair minimum.
Irelephant@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Just give us a “Sensitive” checkbox and a “Reason” textbox.
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
Personally, I don’t really care.
I do enjoy some types of AI content, I do bo enjoy others. Same as any other type of content. So that tag would be useless for my personal preferences.
ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I think ai posts should only be posted on ai communities so I can block them all at the same time.
Seriously. Even for memes and funny stuff ai needs to fuck off.
And the fact that everyone even calls it ai when it’s not even close to being a vi is infuriating.
piecat@lemmy.world 3 months ago
ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Compling
Yeah that about sums it up
ekZepp@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Dude… or should I say, dude??? 🤖
hmmm@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
It have on R34 Website and Porn Website.
rockerface@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Tech progress has always been driven by humanity’s desire to either kill or fuck someone. I, for one, prefer horny-based progress. Make love, not war, and all that.
desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 months ago
we need more innovation in the intersection of killing and fucking, perhaps by designing more realistic fuck-dolls that can have explosives rigged to them to trap and kill soldiers.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 3 months ago
It should be fineable starting at like 500 dollars + any profits and ad revenue if its not labelled
JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 months ago
How much money is a Lemmy upvote?
Nugscree@lemmy.world 3 months ago
At least one money?
cley_faye@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Sure. Only problem is, it’s a people issue. Some people making ai generated content may be honest and willing to abide to such rule, but most are proud to not even read the rules and just blast shitty slop left and right. For this second category of people, when you point it to them, a very small percentage of them goes “oh, sorry”. The vast majority just keep posting until blocked.
Granted, this experience mostly stems from every media posting sites out there, so it may be a bit biased…
Piemanding@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Also, you can’t really regulate other countries. Especially if that country is China.
fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 3 months ago
Adobe is trying for the opposite. Content authenticity with digital signatures to show something is not AI (been having conversations with them on this).
Tetsuo@jlai.lu 3 months ago
Oh I’m sure Adobe has the greatest of intentions on this. Such a reputable company that has a stellar past.
I’m sure they won’t gatekeep this digital human signature in some atrocious proprietary standard along with an expensive subscription to have the honor of using it.
Don’t listen to Adobe on AI or even better don’t accept any “idea” or solution from Adobe.
ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 3 months ago
Yeah pretty much.
I recall when flash was
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 3 months ago
How would that work then, I presume most would just ignore it because if it only verifies you used Adobe to make something it’s pretty worthless as a “this isn’t AI” mark.
AeonFelis@lemmy.world 3 months ago
As valid and informative as TwitteX’ blue mark.
fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 3 months ago
It uses cryptographic signatures in the cameras and tools. Say you take a photo with a compatible camera, it gets a signature. Then you retouch in Photoshop, it gets a another signature. And this continues through however many layers. The signature is in the file’s EXIF data, so it can be read on the web. Meaning a photo on a news site could be labeled as authentic, retouched, etc.
kernelle@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Very nice idea in theory, but proving there is no AI involved in the creation of art is not something I think is remotely possible. It’s an arms race more than anything, but I’m very interested in how Adobe will tackle it. I think people will be appreciating physical art more again, but even then we could argue about the usage of AI tools.
Anyhow, people will have to come to terms with the fact that AI is here to stay, and will only get better too.
fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 3 months ago
My other reply talks about how this works with cryptographic signatures, but sure, people can lie. The key to this method is if there is a signature from a reputable artist, news org, or photographer, then that origin can’t be forged. So it’s about proving the authenticity (origin) vs the negative use of AI.
JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 3 months ago
And being adobe, they will put a nice little backdoor in it for them to change the credentials so that they can take artists’ work and use it, train their AI with it, and sell it like they have been doing for years.
fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 3 months ago
You can’t change the credentials if the user owns the private key. But nothing stops AI training, that’s part of the terms of service of some of their products, which operate outside the realm of this more open initiative.
Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 3 months ago
I think that will be increasingly impossible to enforce, as AI art gets increasingly better.
Also, if someone finds some cool art online how are they to know if AI was used or not?
MarcomachtKuchen@feddit.org 3 months ago
For me it would not be about enforcing but about giving the option to disclaim it.
ekZepp@lemmy.world 3 months ago
exactly 👍
rtxn@lemmy.world 3 months ago
If AI artists are so confident that they are equals, why are they trying so hard to hide it?
Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 3 months ago
Because it gets a negative response? Regardless of whether they think it has a valid place as an art form, if they know it will get a negative response they probably won’t want to share it.
gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
I made a cool new avatar concept for one of my public accounts, shared it with some people to see what they thought, used AI to do so. Everyone said it was amazing and they couldn’t wait to see it in use until I mentioned it was an AI mockup to use to pay someone to make something like it, then suddenly it sucked
It’s like Hitler’s paintings, they’re kinda somewhat decent enough for what they are but because of who/what made them they’re suddenly a big deal
OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
We’re not trying to hide it, we care if you think it’s AI or not. We just want to make majestic art
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 months ago
as AI art gets increasingly better
I don’t see it getting better nearly so much as I see it getting pervasive. When AI is one submission in ten and you’ve got a 90% flag rate, you can trim the instance of unflagged content to one submission in a hundred. But when AI is nine submissions in ten, half your feed is still AI-slop. When its ninety-nine submissions in a hundred, you’re looking at nine AI images in ten even with a filter.
The AI doesn’t need to get any better at evading the filter. It just needs to beat the filter by raw numbers.
Majorllama@lemmy.world 3 months ago
That might work for now when those of us who know what to look for can readily identify AI content for the time being, but there will be a time when nobody can tell anymore. How will we enforce the tagging then? Bad actors will always lie anyway. Some will accidentally post it without knowing its AI.
I think they should add a tag for it anyway so those who are knowingly posting AI stuff can tag it but I fear that in the next few years the AI images and videos will be inescapable and impossible to identify reliably even for people who are usually good at picking out altered or fake images and videos.
Stovetop@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I’d even be worried that bad actors would abuse the tag to take legitimate footage of something they want to discredit and reposting it everywhere with AI tags. They could take control of the narrative if enough people become convinced that it’s AI-generated and use that to flip the accusations back on the people trying to spread the truth.
Majorllama@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Yeah unfortunately bad actors ruin pretty much everything. We can do our best as a society to set things up in a way where systems can’t be abused but the sad reality is we just need to raise people better.
Lying, cheating (the academic or competitive integrity kind) and many other undesirable behaviors are part of human nature but good parenting teaches kids not to use those.
flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Good point.
Bugger…
state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 3 months ago
Text, sure. But I don’t get the hate towards AI generated images. If it’s a good image and it’s not meant to mislead, I am completely fine with AI content. It’s not slop if it’s good.
liyunxiao@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
It’s still stolen content. Regardless of any other issues, it’s 100% stolen content.
state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 3 months ago
I am torn on that. If it’s a company making money off of it, despicable. If it’s an open source model used for memes? I’m fine with that. We shouldn’t act like artists follow some magical calling from god. Anything anyone creates is built on their education and the media they were exposed to. I don’t think generative models are any different.
Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 3 months ago
So I assume you are morally opposed to piracy?
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
Is this AI content?
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 3 months ago
renzev@lemmy.world 3 months ago
A lot of people seem to think that all ai art is low effort garbage, which is just not true. There can be a lot of skill put into crafting the correct prompt to get the image you want from an image generator, not to mention the technical know-how of setting it up locally. The “ai art is not art” argument to me doesn’t sound any more substantiated than “electronic musicians aren’t musicians, go learn a real instrument” or “photographers aren’t really artists, all they do is push a button”. But regardless, I agree that we need good tagging, or as @ThatWeirdGuy1001 said, different communities. Even though the output looks similar, actually drawing things and wrangling prompts are two completely different skillsets, and the way we engage with the artistic product of those skills is completely different. You wouldn’t submit a photo you took to a watercolor painting contest. Same with ai art and non-ai art.
Anyway, just thought i’d share my opinion as an ai non-hater.
Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
I mean, trigger warning, nsfl, and other labels have been requested forever now. Might as well put AI into the rotation.
megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 months ago
Definitely, just to prevent it from being normalized. Just like crypto, flying cars, psychics, MLM businesses, this shit will fade in to the into the domain of low skill grifters.
westyvw@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Would you also want one for everything photoshopped? I fail to really see a difference. What if I train an AI to use photoshop? Then what?
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Other way round. Real content will be marked as genuine. No mark will be assumed to be AI.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 months ago
I think that would be a great Lemmy feature that puts an AI content warning when it is so tagged, similar to how it blurs images tagged NSFW.
jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 3 months ago
And it should be tagged at every level: metadata, watermark, poster, website. Redundancies will make it harder to use AI for lying.
Internet-wide, culture-wide, society-wide.
WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Totally agree. Yes.
henfredemars@infosec.pub 3 months ago
Slop is insulting. If I take the time to read it, I want another human to have taken the time to write it.
reev@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
The counter there is to have an AI summarize it. No time taken to write nor to read haha
Empricorn@feddit.nl 3 months ago
That would work if it didn’t get even that wrong a huge amount of time. There are entire subreddits dedicated to AI summary fails!
lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 2 months ago
So iPhone 16 notification?
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
I foresee a future where we have an AI layer on top of corporate emails, translating from English to corpo-speak and back to English again.
lolrightythen@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Agree to an extent. Its a tool that can aid talentless folk like myself shitpost, and has its place. But I agree with tags and disagree with inundating forums and stealing ip