Submitted 2 months ago by Kolanaki@yiffit.net to [deleted]
Personally, I don’t* but I was curious what others think.
^*^some sandwiches excluded like a Cubano or chicken parm; those do require cooking.
Cooking (in the English I was taught) involves the application of heat - frying, baking, roasting, boiling etc are the names for specific ways to do this. A sandwich would be made or prepared.
Some go as far as saying cooking requires a chemical change, else youre just heating
Yeah - an application of heat to create a chemical change. You’re correct there. My answer was incomplete.
Just for the heck of it, if you heat protein enough to denature it but have no Maillard reaction (let’s say you’ve just steamed an egg or something), would that not be considered cooking by that definition?
My understanding is that denaturing is a physical structure change, not a chemical one (and according to Wikipedia can be reversible in some cases), not a biochemist or food scientist though so totally accepting that my understanding is incorrect/incomplete.
No, it’s food preparation but nothing is being cooked.
Depends on your start point. You can bake your own bread, cook/combine your own condiments, and roast/cure your own meats.
You can grow your wheat, and raise pigs, but to really make it from scratch, first you need to create the universe.
No one ever says “I’m cooking a sandwich”
Maybe a panini.
True, but, turn that into I’m cooking up a sandwich, and now the phrase potentially expands its domain to basically mean any kind of food preparation.
The addition if ‘up’ makes it less literal, more jovial and less bounded.
True, but, turn that into ‘I’m cooking up a sandwich’, and now the phrase potentially expands its domain to basically mean any kind of food preparation.
The phrase expands into any preparation or invention, even ones that clearly do not have anything to do with cooking. e.g. “I’m cooking up a plan to deal with this.”
IMO, assembling a sandwich from ready-to-eat ingredients without using a stove, oven, microwave, etc. is meal prep, not cooking. If you roast, saute, toast, smoke, or even zap any part of it, now you’re cookin’. (Though zapping might just be reheating something that was cooked previously. Ugh, this is more complicated than it should be. English can be frustrating.)
Personally I’d define cooking as something that creates an irreversible physical or chemical change using heat.
The specific language you speak has significant impact here. For some, "to make food* is used to refer to cooking. Where as in English it’s not so clear. I prefer the use in terms of survival. IMO, if you can make any food enough to survive you can cook, because in English there is not a better colloquial verb. Though i wouldn’t call you ‘a cook’ or ‘a chef’ if you can’t apply heat to produce edible food from raw.
This might be different depending on the speaker, but at least for me Portuguese and Italian are even stricter on interpreting cozinhar/cozer and cucinare/cuocere as involving heat. Like, if I were to say for example ⟨*cozinhei um sanduíche⟩ (literally “I *cooked a sandwich”), I’m almost sure that people would interpret it as “I picked an already prepared sandwich and used it as ingredient for something else”
I mean that’s true of the english term as well. But if someone says they can’t cook i default to thinking they order out every meal or use a microwave fot cup of ramen. Making sandwiches, salads, and other cold foods is still a skill but there’s no word such as cold-cutlerist and i refuse andwich artist.
The word cooking, to me, means using heat with a stove. Baking is for the oven. Grilling, is outside on a grill. But a sandwich is only ever “made” in my house. “Will you make me a sandwich?”, “I’m making a sandwich”
Good question though. Never thought about it.
Sorry. You said “make me a sandwich”
There’s always an xkcd for every forum thread topic.
I see cooking as a more general term. Both baking and grilling are forms of cooking. You can also roast and grill things in the oven. Cooking on a stove also has different specific terms, boiling, simmering, frying etc.
So would you cook a salad?
Nope. In English, if it doesn’t involve the application of heat, you ain’t cooking, you’re preparing, making, or other terminology.
So toasting a sammich is cooking, but making the sammich isn’t?
Pretty much, yeah. Same as grilling a burger and putting it on bread is cooking despite the bread being pre-made.
Afaik, cooking isn’t limited to applying heat to raw foods.
Might be worth saying that I don’t remember which dictionary the definition came from, and that dictionaries only record language, they don’t prevent changes over time. Which means that usage could have changed enough since the last time I looked at any, and now have a different usage added
It’s only cooking if it’s done in the Cooke region governed by the Earle of Sandwich. Anything else is sparkling food preparation.
If you cook it, like a grilled cheese, then yes. Otherwise, it’s sandwich arts.
Tuna melt?
Depends on the sandwich. If you’re constructing a sandwich without using heat, I would consider that “making lunch” or “making dinner” but not explicitly cooking. I’m not sure that the difference matters in any significant situations, though. Why are you asking?
Why are you asking?
Boredom.
Cooking is simply the preparing of food.
It doesn’t necessarily require the application of heat.
If some one is being proud of a sandwich- let them be proud. We all start somewhere.
I guess that it depends on context? Typically I wouldn’t call it cooking, as it doesn’t involve applying heat to the food. But if I were to teach a kid how to cook, then I’d consider it cooking - as teaching them how to prepare a sandwich would be a good start.
So… we started with waffles and baking. They get to mix the batter and dump things into the bowl, and such.
Though the first thing my nephew made without help was mac and cheese- everything was from scratch, the sauce and the pasta. It might have taken him… uh… hours… to roll out the pasta by hand, but eh, you are allowed to have fun with your food.
If anyone hasn’t, making pasta is not that difficult. I wouldn’t say there isn’t a place for dry pasta; and it’s certainly more convenient, but if you’re interested don’t feel intimidated. (though, if you don’t have a pasta machine, I’d suggest something like Orecchiette; but there’s plenty of other shapes that don’t require a machine or rolling out in the video,)
Mixing batter and preparing pasta seem like great starts, too. The general idea is to not let the kid handle anything with heat or sharp knives until they’re old enough to “respect” the danger behind those things.
My own initiation was whisking mayo (where I live it’s traditional to prepare a potato-mayo salad on Sundays). Then when my nephew was young I kind of tried to teach him how to prepare some onigiri (he already liked them better than sandwich), with already cooked rice and fillings, but he was a bit too lazy to do it, and a bit too eager to eat the ingredients.
“Cooking” to me, requires the combination of ingredients AND heating them to create a new thing. Making a grilled cheese is basic, but cooking. Slapping meat, cheese and veg on bread is not cooking.
But what if you toast it?
Cooked
Is combining microwave rice and a frozen meal portion cooking then? Or to they have to be heated together?
You can cook in a microwave. But those frozen meals and rice packs are already cooked, you’re just reheating/reconstituting them. I wouldn’t conconsider that cooking, no.
Cooking is a process of transformation, both physical and symbolic. Combining ingredients intentionally to create something flavorful and nutritious, making a sandwich certainly falls under the act of cooking.
The question is inadequatly phrased. You must describe what kind of sandwich we are speaking of. Unless op is speaking about cold sandwiches exclusively, many sandwiches require cooking.
Croque Monsieur
Grilled Cheese
Cubano
Monte Cristo
Panini
These are just a few that I came up with off the top of my head. I’m sure there are many more.
Preparing food and cooking food are two different things.
I wouldn’t even say making a grilled cheese would be cooking. I don’t think heat has anything to do with it. I mean, am I cooking if I’m microwaving a frozen dinner? Are the “cooks” at an Applebee’s cooking if week they do is warm up bags of premade food and microwave steaks?
I would say cooking requires you to prepare ingredients, combine them, and cook them.
I like this definition the best. If someone is doing a making a super complex sandwich with many ingredients and passion, then I’d fine to call that cooking. Same with a cold soup or a fancy appetizer. Many dishes in top notch cuisine are served cold. In molecular kitchen, there’s even stuff below freezing. Still all cooking to me.
If someone just warms up a can of Ravioli, microwaves a convinience dish, etc. I’d consider that rather food prep. If using the microwave is just one step of multiple in a recipe, than that’s fine again.
For me cooking requires a minimum level of effort.
I had thought of editing the title to include microwaving food, too. I would say “I cooked it in the microwave” but it at the same time absolutely does not have the same weight as “I cooked this” implying I did all the work and not just re-heating someone else’s.
I mean, you could cook something in the microwave. Like microwaving a potato in order to make mashed potatoes, or heating other things to create a dish. Like I used to microwave spaghetti squash and then shred up the strands to make spaghetti.
But like, if I reheated some leftovers, or put a frozen dinner in the microwave, Id probably say “I microwaved this” or “I heated this”.
By that logic, salads and sushi aren’t cooking.
Correct.
Eh… why are we trying to gatekeep cooking?
It’s not gatekeeping, it’s a discussion of semantics. The official definition of cooking is the preparation of food by using heat.
Talking about definitions and how far they go is not gatekeeping. There’s no gate here, just a bunch of people with sticks drawing lines on sand and seeing the others drew their lines.
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Does it take unreasonably long compared to the time to consume the food?
Yes.
Does it use ingredients?
Yes.
Is it worth the effort?
No.
Sounds like cooking to me.
Is it worth the effort?
No.
Sounds like you suck at cooking, my guy.
Just because you don’t enjoy it doesn’t mean you suck at it
If someone told me they “cooked themselves a BLT”, I’d assume they meant they’d baked the bread, fried the bacon, and emulsified the mayonnaise themselves and the assembly was just the final part of the process.
Interesting… I wouldn’t have thought of a BLT either, but you do have to at least cook the bacon most of the time. Now I’m wondering what a BLT made with Tactical Bacon would taste like… 🤔
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hm, no, because it is baking instead.
Care to elaborate? Other than toasting it, how do you consider it baking?
the bread is the lynch pin of the sandwich. You can do whatever you want with the rest of the ingredients, but the bread must (usually) be baked.
Put butter on the outside, throw it in a hot pan and grill it. Even go further and get a sandwich press. NOW YOU’RE COOKIN!
Entirely context dependent.
Who’s cooking tonight? Me, and if it’s sandwiches, salad, etc - still counts.
No cooking in the room. Combining sliced bread with sliced cheese out of the bag - doesn’t count.
Only if you say sudo.
I guess it would depend on the type of sandwich
. Peanut butter and jelly? No
A simple cheese sandwich? No
Grilled cheese sandwich? Yes
What about a grilled cheese and peanut butter and jelly and pickles sandwich with a side of sourkrout?
I’m going with inedible but yeah that’s cooking
peanut butter and jelly and pickles sandwich
this sounds like something my SiL would eat when she was pregnant.
also… what kind of pickles? I bet i could get my nephew and nieces to eat it, and they’d probably love it.
It you cook the sandwich, the bread, or any part of the filling, yes. If you toast your bread and warm up your ingredients in a pan, why not ? But if you are just cuting and filling. You’re assembling a sandwich, not cooking it.
Ehhh food preparation more than cooking. You’re just assembling things. I’m a pro at a good sandwich if I do say so myself. Sometimes I have to cook to make that happen. But a basic sandwich…nah, no cooking involved.
Corno@lemm.ee 2 months ago
No, I would call that “preparing”. Cooking is the act of using heat to prepare food for consumption.
Etterra@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Which means that it might be, depending on the sandwich. For example, you cook a panini or grilled cheese.
ShepherdPie@midwest.social 2 months ago
What about using my George Foreman grill?
nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
How much needs to be heated? If I toast the bread but not the other ingredients, then clearly I did cook by that definition.