I wonder if Elon chose a timeframe of 5 years because Yann LeCun won the Turing Award in 2018.
He came with receipts
Submitted 11 months ago by fossilesque@mander.xyz to science_memes@mander.xyz
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nicolairathjen@lemmy.world 11 months ago
0x0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
I don’t think he deserves that much credit
InfiniteWisdom@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
There’s a lotta misinformation online and it’s coming directly from the liberal controlled deep state. You have to rely on alternate news sources like infowars and breitbart news to get away from whatever joker biden tells you. I’ve had family and friends personally isolate themselves from me and not respond to my texts but that’s just because they couldn’t handle the truth, went to her house and turns out she was in the middle of a 7 way orgy with some of my highschool friends and didn’t have her phone on her, if I can handle that then she can handle the truth about politics
can@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
That gives him too much credit.
Arcade@lemmy.wtf 11 months ago
He’s a dumbass. There’s actually no rhyme or reason why he chose that specific number.
Phegan@lemmy.world 11 months ago
He isn’t that smart.
Krauerking@lemy.lol 11 months ago
The Internet as a whole seems a lot less interested in actually listening to anyone with credentials to back themselves up (Musk obviously included).
Literally, people will just “nuh-uh” a piece of fact for purely emotional personal reasons.Maybe it’s that we made the Internet so full of disinformation that everyone is just automatically refusing to listen to others, maybe we have created a social group that just assumes they are more educated than everyone else cause they read some stuff in the internet.
Maybe all the smarter people with credentials have done the smart thing and left the internet, cause if I hear one more person tell me I’m wrong and that people totally explode in the vacuum of space cause they watched a movie. (Someone even called me confidently incorrect after I provided the research paper I cited when working on decompression in a vacuum), I honestly will think humanity has no right to claim themselves master of any part of nature and I will praise the universe for wiping us out hopefully Armageddon style, with an asteroid with a bunch of oil drillers on it.
Carrolade@lemmy.world 11 months ago
My theory is that as people get more success in life, they tend to get “busier”. They have families, careers, hobbies they’ve invested time in, money to take travel vacations, etc. They just do more “stuff”. This results in less time and interest towards getting into arguments with randos on the internet.
The internet is extremely accessible and economically inexpensive though, so almost everyone can get on here if they want, regardless of any personal degree of any sort of life proficiencies.
Together, these factors result in it being the mass of humanity with some of the cream skimmed off. So that’s what we tend to see around us, the internet is the skim milk of humanity. Then to avoid all the watery garbage so prevalent everywhere, we further clump into more segmented communities where we can find more like-minded people to associate with, simply because that’s more enjoyable.
This is one of the reasons I think it’s important to actually put effort into interacting on here, to try to help prevent it from worsening before we can address some of the underlying technical problems it has introduced into our societies.
ivanafterall@kbin.social 11 months ago
So we are kind of like cheese curds.
skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
are you making a testable prediction? it’s not a theory, it’s a take, hypothesis at best
Krauerking@lemy.lol 11 months ago
Yeah
There are jobs where it’s specifically to be in the Internet but if you are actually doing “important” stuff and/or just busy living you likely won’t be trying to scrape through social platforms for a sense of cheap easy joy and validation.
I think in it’s earlier days when it was the cool new social space it made more sense to show up and show off but if you have connections now you no longer need or maybe even want that kind of exposure.
PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It was true before the internet too, there was just less opportunities to witness it because you didn’t interact with thousands of strangers at once.
Krauerking@lemy.lol 11 months ago
Well… Yeah that probably checks out. I have met an engineer who was sure 9/11 was planned demolition even though we literally sat and did the math to prove it was essentially a damaged free fall with no outer explosions… And a biologist major who believed in creationism…
People are full of bad takes in shocking hypocrisy. This is definitely just the more public long lasting version of all those.
Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone 11 months ago
To paraphrase the post,
We people have always been ignorant, we just keep the receipts now.
s0ykaf@hexbear.net 11 months ago
Maybe it’s that we made the Internet so full of disinformation that everyone is just automatically refusing to listen to others, maybe we have created a social group that just assumes they are more educated than everyone else cause they read some stuff in the internet.
i’ve always thought the decline of capitalism, or even just the accumulation of its downturns, had the consequence of people trusting authorities less than they used to, and that scientists just get thrown in the same bag (“people who mess with this convoluted stuff as if they know what they’re doing and just keep making my life worse”)
ameancow@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Maybe it’s that we made the Internet so full of disinformation that everyone is just automatically refusing to listen to others,
We’ve made a social space where people can get validation and acceptance as easily as they can choose to be challenged and face threats to their own sense of self importance and their egos, and this isn’t to sound disparaging, we ALL have sensitive egos and all feel a resistance to facing challenges, so what will we all choose over and over? It’s natural that we seek the path of least resistance that also boosts our positive feelings about ourselves.
We’re not a rational or reasonable species, we use rational and reason to explain our emotions but those explanations are rarely accurate or based in reality.
VerticaGG@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF98ii6r_gU pretty sure this is the one [from the series] your post made me think of… My take away as relevant here is that it’s not overcomplicated: If your a marginalized person and you know your rights, all the facts and appeals reason will be dismissed by those who buy into the fear-based moral panic propaganda about you, solely on your intrinsic traits.
That’s not a two-way street.
Choosing not to engage with such people does not put me in an information silo in the same way that the population influenced by right-wing authoritarianism choose to stand on both sides of a contradiction and refuse to analyze the true root causes of their woes; that you can’t class traitor yourself onto the side of the ultra-wealthy, and that their Supreme Leader will throw them under the bus at the first incentive.
A person who chooses to protect their energy from such a Facebook uncle, does not consitute a both-sides.
Not that I went looking for anyone pressing a “both-sides” angle…hoping we can leave it behind in terms of “information silos”
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
I think it’s because people have grown up with or are the people who were lied to by the smart people with credentials. And now that a lot of that information has been disproved, don’t trust the system. If you’ve tasted the credentials system, it’s known that a lot of that is nepo, wealth, political, etc., it casts a doubt on everything. Now you have to weed through everything to find out if it’s right regardless of credentials. Who do you trust? Also, new information comes along and theories change, so who’s to say that those theories are going to stick around. Basically, it’s complicated.
EtherWhack@lemmy.world 11 months ago
They haven’t left, they just chum the water a bit and sit back and enjoy the show.
With hard vacuum though, I believe I remember you may get a couple seconds of consciousness before you pass out from the stress. (unless it’s explosive which could knock you out instantly) You should usually get a couple minutes without any permanent injuries before death from asphyxiation. Any injuries would more or less be your larynx and eardrums, both from air getting rapidly pushed out. To minimize it you would need to be actively exhaling while opening the tubes to your ears (what you do when popping them) which will allow air to escape less forcefully.
Emboli and frostbite will however happen towards the end of those minutes. But with us being mostly a mix of liquids and solids, (with dissolved gasses) which take time to sublimate, (evaporation in a vaccum) no insta-freeze or red mist.
Rooskie91@discuss.online 11 months ago
Honestly why do people even engage with this hack.
deaf_fish@lemm.ee 11 months ago
To attempt to wake up those people who think Elon is actually God’s gift of mankind.
ICastFist@programming.dev 11 months ago
A wake up call on those people will have to go straight for their gut, instead of trying to throw facts at their faces. Even then, it’s a hard task
AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 11 months ago
These types of people really need to stop being a part of the problem by getting off Twitter.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I never really used Twitter, but I’d start using Mastodon, if only to get people to start using Mastodon?
fossilesque@mander.xyz 11 months ago
Gently dropping this here: nathanlesage.github.io/academics-on-mastodon/
GnomeKat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
mastodon is fantastic and is honestly better than lemmy community wise.
Hadriscus@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Mastodon is really great in my experience. Very sane environment. It’s not the same for everybody, but it’s at least worth a shot.
braxy29@lemmy.world 11 months ago
which one… Elon? (i’m all for it)
samus12345@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It’s too far gone for Elon leaving to save it. Although it would still be nice if he did.
suction@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yes. Exactly like every other non-nazi still on there must do. It’s the Modern equivalent to “don’t feed the trolls”
Hadriscus@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Just got off Twitter, it feels real good
xenoclast@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It’s not better here. Sorry. There’s just less people so it might seem that way. Outside is best.
iAvicenna@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Amen
MataVatnik@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Elon is such a fucking tool
Baphomet_The_Blasphemer@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I strongly disagree with that statement… tools are useful.
stebo02@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
I assumed it was a misspelling of fool
m0darn@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
He’s the arch-twit
hsdkfr734r@feddit.nl 11 months ago
I think that he should have avoided the interaction with musk, if he planned to convince Musk of something.
If he planned to educate the general public, his approach is totally fine, though.
EtherWhack@lemmy.world 11 months ago
He did it for a two-fer. He educated the general public …and handed eloin his ass.
MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
Meh, association taints.
Jallu@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
Are those two things not the same?
hsdkfr734r@feddit.nl 11 months ago
I’m not sure what you mean. The act is the same but the intention of it differs imo. Do you want to elaborate on the topic?
someacnt_@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Imo it just makes things worse, esp. considering the platform is twitter. Interacting with musk won’t look good, given how manupulative musk is.
negativenull@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I love how muskrat had to put “science” in quotes.
radicalautonomy@lemmy.world 11 months ago
“*pffffbtbtbt* Facts are meaningless. You can use facts to prove anything that’s even remotely true.” - Homer Simpson
Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 11 months ago
I’m just imagining Musk banning his account once he realizes how much he just embarrassed himself.
Followed by:
Lawyer: What brings you in today, Mr. LeCun?
LeCun: I got banned from Twitter.
Lawyer: But I’m a patent attorney.
LeCun: I know.Beastie Boys “Sabotage” riff starts playing.
formergijoe@lemmy.world 11 months ago
nephs@lemmygrad.ml 11 months ago
Read part 2.
uis@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Also methodology.l
JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Why do people give that douche the time of day?
hperrin@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Because he owns a bunch of shit. That’s literally it. Nobody would give a single shit about him if he didn’t have money. I saw it put very eloquently like this:
Elon Musk is so poor that all he has is money.
pyre@lemmy.world 11 months ago
his Twitter feed is full of things that would make you turn your head and act as it you don’t hear anything if it came from a random person on the subway. the only difference between this guy and the “crazy people” you see outside is that this guy has money he doesn’t deserve.
JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Damn that’s a good line.
Ajen@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
His money gives him influence and power. That’s the real reason.
casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Because he is not your run-of-the-mill tech billionaire.
He’s an asshole, yes, but you don’t see Zuckerberg, Gates, Bezos or anyone else make the kind of big moves he does.
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Big moves like losing billions on Twitter? Or producing an ugly truck that does nothing it was promised to do for twice the promised price? Or getting a government contract to build 50 THOUSAND electric vehicle chargers nationwide then firing literally everyone working on actually building them?
Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
Because they don’t chatter in like a sub-70 IQ Harpy wanting attention?
Musk is a fraud. He was never accepted into a PhD program. He lied about his physics degree and was awarded one while not attending after daddy gave money to the school. He doesn’t know shit about science, engineering, or literally anything except how to be an edgelord.
Dude is a fucking loser and companies succeed in spite of him.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
big moves
did you mean boner moves? makes more sense re: musk
MacAttak8@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Ah yes. None of those others listed founded aerospace companies.
candybrie@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Does 80 technical papers in 2.5 years seem kind of off to anyone else? That’s more than a paper every 2 weeks. Is there really time for meaningful research if you’re publishing that often? Is he advising a lot of students? If that’s the case, is he providing the attention generally needed for each one? Is his field just super different than mine?
TheDoctor@hexbear.net 11 months ago
Musk criticizing someone for not doing enough science is like my 9 year old criticizing me for not doing enough laundry. Except my 9 year old may have a point.
NewLeaf@hexbear.net 11 months ago
In the end, he’s still in a Twitter slapfight with the biggest loser of the last decade.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 months ago
What an asshole.
And I’m not talking about the scientist.
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
Bro Elon got absolutely ratio’d there when the scientist shared their papers. Like less people saw it and double the amount of likes.
That is very surprising honestly.
Vampire@hexbear.net 11 months ago
80 papers in like 120 weeks is incredible
nifty@lemmy.world 11 months ago
What does you’re going soft, try harder even mean in this case? I think that’s a troll, right? Right? I mean, even one solid theory from a paper can change the course of an industry. How do people think things work? I feel dizzy reading this whole exchange
Miaou@jlai.lu 11 months ago
Anyone not knowing who LeCunn has no idea about anything deep learning related.
misterundercoat@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I’ll teach that evil billionaire a lesson by creating content on his platform! Boy, I sure showed him!
bouldering_barista@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Why are we still sharing snapshots from twitter?
Let’s start capturing more interesting conversations that are happening on Lemmy and other places!
Hundun@beehaw.org 11 months ago
Try harder! It’s okay, Elon, we all know you try the hardest.
AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 11 months ago
Bu-but daddy Elon invented self driving cars!!!1!!
veganpizza69@lemmy.world 11 months ago
ConvNets
I like those. Those get shit done.
I think that this is the paper he’s referring to: …neurips.cc/…/53c3bce66e43be4f209556518c2fcb54-Ab…
AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
damn I remember using CNNs back in the day for image processing. never realized truly how far back they go.
FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 11 months ago
im sure Musk has written excellent research papers
MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
Oh look, a self-driving dick (in many ways)
fossilesque@mander.xyz 11 months ago
Part 2: mander.xyz/post/13598410
theacharnian@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Frankly, those two deserve each other.
joneskind@lemmy.world 11 months ago
TwitterBoy showing his blatant ignorance against one of the people who literally invented modern machine learning.
Nothing shockingly unexpected from the very stable 10D chess master genius of course, but oh my, how embarrassing it must be for all the people working for him.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 11 months ago
It’s the same whenever he gets shown up.
“I’ll save those schoolboys with my robot submarine!”
*submarine won’t fit in cave*
*schoolboys are rescued by a diver*
“Pedo guy…”
psud@aussie.zone 11 months ago
I’m sure he can be forgiven for not knowing the name of a scientist whose work his employees build upon
The fact that he didn’t believe them when they claimed to be a scientist though
SatanicNotMessianic@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
Ttereal tellers is ttattElonkows nothing about AI. Anyone involved in the field knows all of the big names because we read their papers, listen to their lectures, and talk about their models. He then goes on to be dismissive of work he’s not even close to understanding. It’s blatant ignorance, and Elon is used to just being able to power through his ignorance by either BSing his way past people who know no more than him or firing anyone who is actually qualified and as a result disagrees with him.