Gorgritch_umie_killa
@Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone
- Comment on Australia tests new long-range missile capable of hitting targets 500km away 21 hours ago:
All you and I have said in essence doesn’t matter.
Their problem is the crimes they are committing in Gaza now. They could be the most enlightened unicorns the world has seen, they are still committing the heinous crime of starvation and mass punishment, and about a third of their ‘enemy’ seem to be children, you don’t wipe your hands of this, and we don’t let them.
Israel doesn’t have values like our own, maybe at some point the two countries were more aligned in that respect. Our history is sordid, and we continue to have problems and always will. We are changing as a nation, slowly, but i live in a very different country, and better, than i grew up in.
We don’t have to choose a best mate in the middle east, thats okay, i never tried to say any were better. We’re a world away and can afford to keep all at arms length, thats a choice we can make.
So i think the equivalences you draw aren’t useful. Israel is a nation committing crimes against humanity, compare their actions against UN conventions, or the Rome Statute, etc…
- Comment on Australia tests new long-range missile capable of hitting targets 500km away 2 days ago:
Oh, and stock markets tend to do well when governments flush the econony with cash. It shouldn’t be a surprise that Israel’s stock market is doing well while their government spends money on weapons, manpower, et al, to attack its neighbours.
- Comment on Australia tests new long-range missile capable of hitting targets 500km away 2 days ago:
I’ve never claimed the other side are full of lovely people, thats not point. There you go again with your equivalences. Let me explain, when one person murders a brother and that victim’s brother then goes and murders the original murderers brother, two crimes have been committed, and each murderer is answerable for their crimes. You ikplicitly advocate eye for an eye with your tacit support of Israels actions. Eye for an eye simply leads to ongoing feuds, as we see a lot of with Israel and their neighbours, time for a different approach.
You’re a massive fan of Israel obviously, but try looking at the experience from the other side. The crimes they’ve committed aren’t forgotten, theres a long history there, and it doesn’t do anyone well to ignore one side in favour of the other. The colonial take over of that land, the ongoing persecution of the people i’ve already mentioned isn’t absolved because they’ve had crimes committed against them. Its perplexing that i have to restate this.
My point about NZ is they’re the only country we can rely on to a high degree, not whatever you think i said about their miltary and technological capability. I’ve said this a couple different ways now.
I think the disconnect is your impressed and argue that we should cleave to powerful allies, whereas i’m impressed and argue that we should cleave to those willing to uphold some semblance of moral values. Until we both realise we aren’t valuing the same things here, we won’t be able to see the others point of view.
All you said about Israel’s economy was a bit wasted, i actually accounted for that and didn’t dismiss it. But to ignore the fact their close relationship and support from the United States, and European countries like Britain and France and their efforts in building up that place as an ‘unsinkable aircraft carrier’ misses the point of why their economy is so ‘blessed’. I find it incredible you would ignore that. There are few economies that can sustainably pull themselves up without massive support from benefactors, Israel isn’t incredible, its a natural outcome of continued unquestioning investment and support. My point is, thats been put at risk, and made harder since their behaviour since Oct 7th, and now they aren’t materially different from their neighbours in that regard.
Left wing progressives don’t tend to let go of things. They’ve been on this train for a long time. I generally find its good to listen to those people, they aren’t shunted off on a different tangent like the rest of society so easily is. Thats my experience with left wing progresssives, maybe we’ve had different interactions there.
- Comment on Australia tests new long-range missile capable of hitting targets 500km away 2 days ago:
Ah yes, it’s the israeli’s fault they don’t subscribe to a backwards religion, treat their women like cattle, and spend most of their time praying to a god that doesn’t exist instead of working to improve diplomatic relations and business capacity of their own countries.
Thats just weird to call a country founded on a religion thats older than Islam, and quite closely related in many ways not backwards, if Islam is a backwards religion then the same can be said of Judaism and Christianity.
Most of what you said there can just as easily be laid at Israel’s feet. Sans treat their women like cattle, but they treat other humans, like arab Israelis, or Gazans, or west bankers like cattle, so they aren’t any better, they just target different groups.
But I don’t blame these peoples religions for any of their immoral behaviours, its not the religion that makes a crap human, its their lack of empathy and morals to those they deem as other to their own.
As far as improving diplomatic relations, and improving business capacity Israel should also listen to that advice. Their actions since October 7th have vanished all semblance of a ‘most moral army’ concept. Their actions before Oct 7th were already leading to hard questions about colonialism. They’ve materially hurt their international business prospects to a level akin to coal companies, this effects things like borrrowing capacity, complicates expansion and mergers in a less friendly world, they are costs that must be borne. Of course their great benefactor, USA, will ease this pain a great deal but even they can only do so much.
Take these much vaunted Abraham Accords, the autocrat MBS is now in a position where to proceed with them could destabilize their piece of shit regime due to the ill feeling in Arab nations about the treatment of Gazans. So if international diplomacy and business relations were really that important here, Israel again is just as bad as the rest.
Take their judicial system, it has been undermined by its executive branch time and again, making a mockery of a ‘rule of law’, something pretty essential to inspire business investment. Not to mention the lack of justice the aforementioned Arab-Israelis, and Palestinians recieve.
Their key difference, it seems, is again they have the force of the worlds largest military, and possibly largest economy full square behind them, allowing Israel to defy gravity. But lets not believe they are any better, its long since past that those arguments could be made.
I’ll have a read of the South Korea contract piece, looks interesting.
- Comment on aussie.zone down 2 days ago:
I’m here. Things seem to load fine, haven’t tried to upload any posts though.
- Comment on Australia tests new long-range missile capable of hitting targets 500km away 2 days ago:
If you want the best from ‘allies’ then the US should have been the partner of choice in most of that little list.
Your thoughts on Israel are tiring, a refusal to see a genocide when it is happening in front of you is sad. I hope one day you’ll recognise the ridiculousness of your equivalences with their far less powerful neighbours. Even if you could prove a genocide against Israel by those neighbours (which cant be done), one genocide doesn’t absolve another genocide. A crime against humanity stands as a black mark against those who sink to those levels of depravity.
The reason NZ is the partner of choice, is because they are the only nation we can rely on. I alluded to this earlier, my view is we should accept less influence, but be more able to protect ourselves. Essentially we have become too reliant on the alliance structure as a means of securing our power and prosperity, to a fault. I advocate a paring back of this reliance, which inherently means a trade off of international power, but means we will be a more reliable partner, and not a subject, in a conflict.
- Comment on Australia tests new long-range missile capable of hitting targets 500km away 2 days ago:
We shouldn’t rely on nations willing to commit genocide for anything. Therefore Israel is a non-starter, and must be treated with caution and distance from here on in all levels of engagement.
A concentration on domestic, or near neighbour manufacturing should be our focus. The European powers are probably more reliable in terms of not letting sudden political values changes, shred their military alliances, but their ability to supply a nation on the other side of the world limits the extent we can rely on such partnerships.
In other words, we can rely on New Zealand absolutely, then other nations to much lesser degrees than we have been, in terms of maintaining a secure logistical supply of our essential ADF technology. This means I do think we have to completely re-engineer our defense force, and community expectations around what our military is capable of delivering.
Our military has been artificially propped up to a more capable technology level than our country has prepared to be able to maintain, in a world where might makes right, that means our sovereignty is beholden to the whims of our senior suppliers. I’d like more independence of manoeuvre than that.
- Comment on Australia tests new long-range missile capable of hitting targets 500km away 2 days ago:
Isn’t the problem with ICBMs that a tarfet nation doesn’t necessarily know its non-nuclear and therefore you get into a sprt of game theory situation where the strongest possible answer is the only coreect answer?
- Comment on Australia tests new long-range missile capable of hitting targets 500km away 2 days ago:
But that is the height of foolishness. Once a partner proves it can be unreliable, then it must influence our decisions regards that partner.
To double down on that partner is crazy. One person doesn’t make policy, Trump least of all, he spends all his time chasing the latest shiny object that distracts from his theft and corruption.
There are many senior officials in that country that take client status for the ADF as a given, after Ukraine that is no longer a position the US can be trusted to hold.
Its probably also true that a large part of the US would probably like a disentanglement from their allies as well, they have foolish reasons, America First, etc… but that is something that makes Australua’s pragmatic decisions all the more important to get right.
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- Comment on Bob Katter refuses to swear oath to King Charles 5 days ago:
Its not the King in England, its the GG here. She has the real power, the King only has a power to advise the Governor General and to a degree the Prime Minister.
Its important Australians, at least, realise that we very much are our own nation, subject to the same coercions and bribes that befall any middling nation such as ours, but at the end of the day we already have and use the power to shape our destiny.
- Comment on Australian's criminal history went viral after annoying the wrong repair guy 6 days ago:
I think the distinction lies in an assumption you’ve accidentally made. No doxxing may be useful internet social community rule.
But no doxxing ever in other activities, such as where you transact and have a relationship of trust, isn’t a reasonable expectation. There are times you need to know who a person is. Where people experience loss due to a poor product someone has to be answerable.
This case isn’t about online trolling and social media community standards, its about contracting parties for a commercial product.
So i think thats an important distinction between this case and what you’re talking about.
- Comment on Australia joins other nations in call for an immediate end to war in Gaza 1 week ago:
I hope these 28 countries can remain linked on this and continue pursuing a constant drumbeat of pressure against the Israelis to stop murdering the Palestinian children, mothers and fathers.
This single statement, while meaningful, is passing and will need reinforcement (in further statements and actions), against such a revanchivist and bigoted State like Israel to elicit meaningful change.
- Comment on The Australia-first words that Sussan Ley says could diminish US relationship 1 week ago:
They always would. The Liberals talk big on defence and deliver nothing but puckered lips for the major ally of the day.
Its beyond ridiculous that in defence the biggest question is still about those fuckin submarines, when they should’ve been well and truly in the pipeline by now.
The national conversations on defence should have moved onto our other significant shortcomings, such as wartime logistical ability, significant manpower increases (more troops, and how many more), missiles for attack and defense, space and unmanned technology procurement, and what technologys needed for homegrown military manufacturers for the must haves onshore. Plus about a foot lockers full of other challenges.
A political party that takes defence seriously would have been taking these steps independently of allies since the real political upheavals in the world started occurring (2014-2016). Instead Liberals carried on prancing around their shiny new National War Memorial larping their way into clown shoes.
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- Comment on Segal tries desperately to distance herself from Advance 2 weeks ago:
I can’t believe Albanese stood next to this woman on that podium while she suggested the mass rolling back of freedom of speech and association in this country.
If those proposals were promoted by any other special interest, shit, if it was that Islamic envoy who was supposedly going to be this person’s counterpart, Albanese would probably have cancelled the event.
As such this ones completely on this Labor Government. The envoy idea should have been a non-starter from the beginning. It was always a cynical attempt to control the direction of policy through unrepresentative means. The fact of Islamophobia being a much greater problem, and its inclusion seemingly an after-thought was so telling. The political trap Labor have led themselves into was ridiculously obvious, now they have given these extremist fringe views, (in the Australian context), the air of legitimacy. They have no doubt shifted the overton window in favour of a group who will never do Labor or Australia any favours. And the only reasoning i can summon is that we don’t want to get too far out of line on policy position in this area to pur major ally USA. At some point, we’ll have to draw a line, for my money, i think its better to push back early against US policy excrement than late.
- Comment on Farmers are executing wombats because wombats don't respect human legal documents. Laws against this are not enforced. ABC reports on the culture. 3 weeks ago:
Ah, Elinor Ostrum! Every damn time i run into her, i forget how to spell her first name!! I always type in Eleanor, and am confused when i get unexpected results!
I love her Triumph of the Commons stuff, it really helped identify some nigling problems i had with the Classical Economics arguments i’s listeningbto when i first heard about her work. Thanks for sending me across to her work again, i’ve enjoyed the reminder sesh today!
To the point about the farmer, i’d say it would have to be a fairly uncaring or stupid farmer to be that inattentive to their land that they wear it out. Even in the article about the Wombats we’re talking about a community of farmers who’ve been on the land for multiple generations, so while some of their members wombat killing practices are stuck in a colonial self centered mindset, their ongoing land use makes me assume not all their practices are stuck in time.
I’m interested to know how definitive your drawing the distinction between personal property and private property?
How would you say that gels with my emphasis for peoples personal agency including over the means of production and my belief that this gives stability over ones own life and becomes a driver of innovation and prosperity?
^Note, I’m currently in an ongoing pickle with the terms ‘growth’ and ‘productivity’. I’m not sure they capture a meaningful image of a Nation’s economic health. And am growing increasingly wary of using them. So thats why i use ‘prosperous’ here. It indicates success, without necessarily indicating ever increasing growth or productivity.^
- Comment on Farmers are executing wombats because wombats don't respect human legal documents. Laws against this are not enforced. ABC reports on the culture. 3 weeks ago:
I’d definitely fall on the side of maintaining private control over land in many areas, farming is certainly one of those. Even the unending title we have, i think gives an assurance and stability for the primary user of that land.
Those kinds of enduring stability, i’ve come to believe, are a key source of Australian productivity and ingenuity. Where we identify it, i think we should protect it.
Community controlling land mightn’t work out any better either. Scale sometimes blurs issues the individual can see clear as day.
To demonstrate with your farms along a stream example, and i suspect i’m taking what you wrote too far, so bear with me,
where a community controls the land and parcels out responsibilities to work that land it necessarily removes the individual, farmer/owner, from their personal closeness to that place.
I could very easily imagine a scenario where that 50th farmer down stream doesn’t notice or even know about the toxic stream going by their farm because they simply aren’t that closely invested in the place they’re in. After all its often farmers themselves who call an alarm on environmental issues. Farmers were some of the first to link the toxic run off to Dupont in the US beacuse they saw it in the environment they knew best.
I think theres one idea rising in the European zeitgeist. That of Citizen’s Assemblies. The bringing of a representative/randommised sample of people face to face, to participate and make the democratic decisions, could help us here as well.
I think so, so many of our intractable problems come down to a lack of discursive clarity. Citizens Assemblies is at least a model that attempts to improve that.
- Comment on Farmers are executing wombats because wombats don't respect human legal documents. Laws against this are not enforced. ABC reports on the culture. 3 weeks ago:
“It’s their sacred entitlement to make a living, regardless of the consequences.”
Thats the attitude that needs to be changed. A mentality so self centered its oppressive to think of others will always result in destruction and conflict.
It comes back to the problem of how to give people enough agency to live their lives successfully, without sacrificing the environment and context that success is built upon.
Or, to put another way, how to protect personal property which leads to personal agency, but limiting personal property that leads to oppressive ownership.
We probably have it more right in Australia than many other places, at least legally. No one really owns land, its all vested in ‘the crown’ in the end, (btw thats different to the King), and its actually closer to a reference to god.
Our problem is we aren’t acting how our laws are written, we act as if we have full and sole control on everything in our name. When it reaches the courts it thankfully doesn’t seem to always go that way. But culturally and politically we act in a more American way than our nation’s laws are designed.
- Comment on Do electricians know what a bin is? 3 weeks ago:
Thats a keeper! When they go to the trouble of the cups you know they’re really acting on it.
Its been a couple months since this post, and i’m still finding offcuts about the place from these electricians i had.
- Comment on ABS shares a pretty average joke... 3 weeks ago:
Hahaha! Thats such a dad joke!
- Comment on Help! 5 weeks ago:
Creepy. Looks a bit like Daniel Radcliffe?
- Comment on George Orwell revisited. Our Government keeps lying to us - Michael West 5 weeks ago:
I think Australia needs to look at its sovereignty and make some hard choices. But i’m not sure i’m with Michael Pascoe on labelling the submarines deal terrible.
Its a few months old, but Malcolm Turnbull hosted a talkfest on the issue at the start of the year with people with a lot more knowledge, the discussion was vigorous and mixed, its worth a listen,
Episode 1, Is Trump all Froth and no Bubble? - Defending Democracy
Before that i also listened to Decouple, a Canadian podcaster, Dr Chris Keefer, he had an interesting conversation on the subject with an Aidan Morrison, Director of Energy Research at Australia’s Centre for Independent Studies. They also had an interesting perspective,
So i don’t know if these submarines are a bad idea, and it seems pretty complex to work through.
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- Comment on Car crush 1 month ago:
Good luck getting insurance to cover that!
- Comment on ‘We have a mandate to act’: PM throws open doors to bolder agenda 1 month ago:
Well the industrial model it came out of came with pay rises for the work force for the productivity gains. So its use was acceptable to the workers then.
Not sure that was really a great set up, because a lot of the productivity gains were from implementation of technology, not so much better work in general by the employee base, although that was also the case often, but the technology changes were the larger productivity increases.
What you’re suggesting is coming up to what Maynard Keynes imagined as a future. People producing as much or even more, with less time spent on the work. Soyou’re in good company.
I don’t imagine a system like that will come in this century though. Too much competition between Nations and peoples, not enough machines to do the work.
- Comment on ‘We have a mandate to act’: PM throws open doors to bolder agenda 1 month ago:
Productivity isn’t great because of the kinds of jobs the people of this nation increasingly do, and likely will do for the foreseeable future.
And, sorry if this comes across a bit morbid. Until the baby boomers shuffle off this mortal coil in greater numbers, any serious productivity gains in certain industries are overtaken by the medical, care, and other old-age related, usually low productivity, work the country is providing.
Its because of this, that i’m sceptical that ‘productivity’ is a good measure to be relying on so heavily to gain an honest understanding of the working economy.
- Comment on Scott Morrison receives Australia's highest honour for leadership during [COVID] crisis 1 month ago:
Or maybe, !Shovelready
- Comment on Scott Morrison receives Australia's highest honour for leadership during [COVID] crisis 1 month ago:
Maybe !unChased ?
- Comment on Bit of snow up in the ranges this weekend 1 month ago:
Oh wow! Okay very interesting, i’ll have to keep a look out when i’m bush walking.