Anon watches LOTR

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• CrazyEddie041@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  One thing LotR does very well: lets men show emotions that aren't anger. Frodo smiles, shouts Gandalf's name excitedly, cracks a joke with him, and gives him a hug. That's how you know they're old friends.

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  • captainjaneway@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I can only tell if men are friends if they share a bicep-flexed hand clasp.

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    • ICastFist@programming.dev ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You son of a bitch! 🤝💪

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    • frazw@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They need to shoulder bump too, otherwise they could just be former colleagues or perhaps two men who met for the first time yesterday.

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    • leftzero@lemmynsfw.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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    • state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      And a solemn nod that sums up everything they both experienced in the 10 years since they last saw each other.

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    • MashedTech@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      “My man.” “My man.” (In unison) “Hurrah”
      “What are we doing today?”
      “We’re going hunting. Because we’re men. Because we like to do it. Stop being a bitch”

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  • dojan@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Go back, Sam! I’m going to Mordor alone.
    Of course you are. And I’m coming with you!

    It always makes me tear up. Fantastic films.

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  • fckreddit@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah, if made in last 10 years, they might turn Aragorn into some kind of Conan the Barbarian ripoff. Not necessarily, for example, RDJ’s Iron Man has a lot of complex emotions and nice arc. But, they could. I mean, look at Galadriel in Rings of Power.

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    • gladflag@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Iron man came out it 2008!

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    • samus12345@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      look at Galadriel in Rings of Power

      I’d rather not.

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    • Gabu@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      By “Rings of Power” you mean the tumblr fanfic that Amazon decided to adapt? I’d rather not.

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• Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  One thing I’ve noticed with newer movies is they do a lot more “tell, don’t show” than old movies.

  For example, compare the live action Disney Cinderella to the original animated version. The live action version is mostly a voiceover telling the story of Cinderella. They literally say “Her stepsisters weren’t very good at art or music” and then have a scene showing them being bad at art and music. The animated version spent the first 20 minutes or so like a Tom & Jerry cartoon.

  And this is across movies. I watched Predator recently and there wasn’t a lot of exposition about how they’re there to fight communists or whatever. You pick that up in snippets of dialog in between the action.

  It really does feel like movies are dumbing down.

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  • dumbass@lemy.lol ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    One thing I’ve noticed with newer movies is they do a lot more “tell, don’t show” than old movies.

    Main character seeing old friend: Well if it isn’t my old friend Daniel, we used to roam these streets as kids, I used to have dinner at your house every day, you were like my brother, I would have done anything for you, I haven’t seen you since our other old friend Jake died mysteriously, remember when we used to play videogames all night and made that life long pact that if “HE” returns we will do what it takes to send him back to the world where he emerged from when we were kids and lived right next door to each other, our mothers were best friends until the incident but they never stopped us from being life long best friends forever, we used to play in the streets all night, me you Daniel and Chris, the rat Pac they called us, best friends for life.

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    • JasonDJ@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Man there’s so many loose ends.

      What was the incident?

      What did the rat pac play in the street? Music? Baseball?

      What video games were you guys playing? Nintendo, Sega, Atari, Sony, SNK, NEC, 3DO?? Whose house?

      Were there any leads in Jakes death?

      How long has it been since you last saw Daniel?

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  • cole@lemdro.id ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I feel like Dune was a good outlier to this. It’s the only movie I’ve seen in theater in the last few years and I really enjoyed not having everything explained to me

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    • ECB@feddit.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s such a good point. I really appreciated how it wasn’t scared to let viewers figure things out.

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    • psud@aussie.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      In comparison, the old Dune film used a lot of voice over

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  • Zagorath@feddit.nl ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    they do a lot more “tell, don’t show” than old movies

    Geez the Netflix Avatar adaptation (a show, not movie, but still) was so bad for this. Despite actually having more runtime and fewer distinct plot points (due to the removal of and consolidation of different side-plots) than the cartoon it was based on, it spent less time showing us why characters think and feel how they do, and straight-up told us every single thing.

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    • Renacles@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I love listening to the original intro 3 times in the first episode.

      I would have never known that the 4 nations lived in harmony until the fire nation attacked, or that the Avatar, master of all 4 elements was the only one who could stop them.

      I also love learning that Aang wants to eat banana cakes and goof off with his friends instead of being the Avatar by him outright saying it instead of us meeting ANY of these friends in the first place.

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  • ryathal@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Part of this is the phone addicted culture. A lot of people listen at best to movies and TV, so they make everything accessible to that audience.

    Another related problem is the over reliance on focus groups. The thoughts and opinions of people in LA/NYC/Chicago that are free at 10am on a random Tuesday aren’t representative samples of the current American. It’s even worse as movies move to target the global audience.

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  • GTG3000@programming.dev ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Not to lump everything into one pile, but there’s definitely some problems with movie planning nowadays.

    That’s what is pointed out in all those “this movie production literally sacrificed ten VFX studios on a mayan altar” documentaries - some of new directors don’t plan shots ahead, require seeing the result and then re-doing it ad nauseam, and as a result waste WAY more vfx team effort and don’t get good scenes.

    Setting up visual storytelling and using good cinematography is hard - which is why to a lot of people the 3D movies like Spiderverse/Last Wish/Nimona stand out so much, you kinda have to plan ahead for a 3D movie, and even if you don’t modifying a scene is easier (if you do it early enough in production).

    I’d imagine that it’s similar for writing - large monologues like that are probably the outcome of the writing team needing to put all they mean to onto the paper. Maybe also result of focus-testing being passed down directly to writing staff?

    I don’t know, I’m just a random guy on the internet but those are my two cents.

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  • Zirconium@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is my issue with a lot of indie horror games and visual novels. (Whatever manlybadasshero plays). There’s just unnecessary details (you open the door). That makes me go this is just shit.

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  • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I feel like they make movies to appease the hot take internet culture. If a few people don’t understand how a guy with magic powers in a room full of cloning tanks could be brought back from the dead, you end up with endless “Somehow Palpatine returned” memes and it becomes a whole thing. So they’ve compensated (maybe over-compensated) and make sure every detail is explained fully to avoid that kind of reaction. They also have to make sure they make jokes about something being corny before people on the internet make the lame jokes.

    Rise of Skywalker was probably the last popcorn movie where there was a lot of “show don’t tell” going on and pretty much all of the commentary about it on the internet indicates people think it’s wrong to do that. To be sure there were other problems with that movie, but people got very fixated on criticizing the decision made to not over-explain.

    Somehow… movies have to explain every little detail now.

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    • BallsandBayonets@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Rise of Skywalker neither showed nor telled (told). Supposedly the story behind Palpatine coming back was told in a temporary series of missions in the Star Wars Battlefront video game (and Squadrons had some hints in their too if I recall). Of course that was a big failure so now the TV show writers are filling in the blanks because at least they are fans first and money-makers second.

      And of course RoS was a giant overreaction to Disney panicking over a vocal minority of perpetually displeased fans didn’t like Star Wars being taken in a new direction in TLJ, so they asked JJ Abrams to take a wet sack of memberberries and turn it into a movie (again).

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    • psud@aussie.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I think it’s because the people put in charge of the films are incompetent

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  • Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The expressions between the 2 actors in this scene are so great and genuine too…that helps a lot.

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  • Manmoth@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    One thing I’ve noticed with newer movies is they do a lot more “tell, don’t show” than old movies.

    The writing sucks which is why movies seem like stream of consciousness time wasters with no stakes, fake emotions and CGI explosions. When the writers went on a strike in Hollywood I actually laughed. ChatGPT can write better scripts than what Hollywood has been churning out lately.

    It really does feel like movies are dumbing down.

    I think this is a combination of armchair directors in the boardroom trying to actualize their market research and writers actually being less smart and creative. It eoukd explain why everything is a prequel, sequel, soft reboot, universe expansion or some other vehicle for recycled IP.

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    • Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I think the big reason everything is a reboot these days is that it makes marketing it a lot easier. If you told me there’s a new sci fi show coming out I might watch it. But if you told me they rebooted SG1 I’d definitely watch it.

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• Ashyr@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Lord of the rings is a modern movie?

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  • Triple_B@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Is a movie that came out 23 years ago still modern?

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    • MentallyExhausted@reddthat.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Hey, fuck you

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    • Daxtron2@startrek.website ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yes, the word we are searching for is contemporary. Technically all films are modern, but not contemporary. Though modern has expanded definition to include it generally as well but I like to explore language :)

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    • SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Time for me to find a nice, cool porch to die under.

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    • NOT_RICK@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      We’ve got a turd in the punch bowl

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    • SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I saw it on the classic movie channel yesterday.

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    • Zagorath@feddit.nl ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It came out after ~1800, so yes.

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  • sockman@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I mean it was filmed 25 years ago, I guess it depends on your definition of ‘modern’

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    • snooggums@midwest.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Made in the current millennium.

      Oh fuck.

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    • magic_lobster_party@kbin.run ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Quarter of a century ago

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    • ChewbaccasClitoris@lemmy.nz ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Can confirm. I was an extra in these movies and now I’m on first name terms with all the local osteopaths.

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    • pete_the_cat@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Filmed 25 years ago

      I don’t want to believe this…

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  • RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What do you mean? Of course it isn’t a modern movie, it was filmed during the Third Age.

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  • frazw@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    To me, modern says more about the techniques and methods used. In that respect, not much has changed even though 25 years has passed. Even stylistically it is more similar to a current film than one filmed 25 years before its release, i.e. mid 1970s. As someone else said, contemporary is a better word for describing its age than modern.

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    • 9point6@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Tbh you could argue the techniques created for the lotr films set the standard for the current era of filmmaking

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  • lessthanluigi@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I think by modern, they mean pre-2010

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• FiskFisk33@startrek.website ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  good writing. :|

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  • Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    And good acting.

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    • Thorry84@feddit.nl ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      And good direction.

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• tok@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Gandalf’s actor really helps.

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  • pete_the_cat@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Sir Ian Mckellen is great, I love that him and Patrick Stewart and good friends as well.

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    • Gabu@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      But they’re the same guy

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  • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I really liked the part where he went

    Sir Ian, Sir Ian, Sir Ian, Sir Ia… YOU SHALL NOT PASS! Sir Ian, Sir Ian, Sir Ian

    Really spoke to me on an emotional level, you know?

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• goatbeard@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Howard Shore is the answer

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  • RedAggroBest@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is an answer I’m not seeing here enough. The score for LotR just FORCES you to feel the feelings. Don’t wanna be happy? Too bad, we’re in the Shire bitch.

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    • Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Don’t want to experience evil metalworking industry? Welcome to Orthanc, bitch, we makin’ swords today.

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• ryathal@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I think the biggest reason is that the actors were allowed to act together. Modern movies use so many digital effects that actors aren’t even on set together sometimes. It’s hard to have the same emotions looking at a green screen and a guy in a morph suit.

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  • JonnyJest@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Just for the first one, right? I remember Ian Mckellen had a breakdown on set because he was sitting in front of the table at Bag End with nothing around him but green screen and was struggling without any other actors.

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    • Hasherm0n@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      IIRC that was on the set of one of the Hobbit movies.

      The Lord of the Rings was shot mostly using practical effects.

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    • Gabu@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The first three movies were mostly all filmed at the same time.

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• CCF_100@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Show, don’t tell

  It works wonders

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• affiliate@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  the problem is that a lot of modern shows/movies spend 2 hours explaining a characters backstory before you give a shit. there’s also a lot of “tell, don’t show” going on

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  • melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Execs thinking everyone’s as vacant as they are.

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• MrJameGumb@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This is how I felt when I tried to watch Rogue One. It’s part of one of my favorite franchises yet it is also an entire feature length film without one single character in it who I give a shit about.

  It’s maddening.

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  • psmgx@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Rogue One was better than most of the drivel Disney has put out. Thank god there were finally some new characters. anitnal revolves around the same 3 fucking families.

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  • tetris11@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That’s why it was so great. It wasn’t about the hero punching people in the face whilst an army of troopers consistently fail to shoot them, or destiny babies failing upwards towards success.

    This was a movie about normal people. Nameless people who were all parts of a whole, an orchestra of concerted effort to overcome the insurmountable. Some of them were in it for the ideal, but most of them were just in it to keep the person next to them alive. No one will sing their praises, and they don’t expect anyone to, as none of them expected to see the light of day.

    It was one of the most humanist movies I’ve seen in a long time, universe be damned.

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  • melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Oddly? I gave more of a shit about most of the characters in rogue one than all the characters in the sequels combined.

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  • Hoomod@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Doesn’t help that you know all the characters die in the end

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• orcrist@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s worth noting that the Lord of the Rings in book form is very long because it goes into so much depth about each character’s history. One of the things that the author intentionally did was world building. If you wanted to get the whole plot line in, you could do so in a third the length.

  So then when it was adapted to movie format, you had three things going for it. First, a lot of people read the books and loved them, second, the cast and crew had a lot to work with, and third, there was ample budget.

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  • shasta@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Idk about “ample budget”. I was watching the director’s commentary on the Two Towers and he mentions one week where the studio was trying to decide whether to green light money for the film and Peter Jackson knew that he had nothing to say that would convince them, in fact he thought it would dissuade them because they wouldn’t see the benefit on the way he was spending the money. So he went out to a remote location to do the filming for several days intentionally to avoid their phone calls lol. I think that was when they were filming the battle for Helm’s Deep. Apparently it worked because after he had the footage from that week to show them, they decided it was good enough to justify the price.

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• lightnsfw@reddthat.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  They’d have to have the protagonist run around screaming like a moron for 20 minutes for comedic effect instead instead of putting any effort into developing characters

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• Raxiel@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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• jenny_ball@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  a lot more care was taken with movie production in general in prior years than now and it shows

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  • 24_at_the_withers@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Eh, I think it’s more related to survivorship bias of the movies we remember. Most movies from decades ago were utter trash then too, we mostly remember the good ones while most of the rubbish fades away and is forgotten.

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• Daft_ish@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  They are the archetypes all other fantasy archetypes are based on. Of course you know them.

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• carl_dungeon@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  “Modern movies”

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• whome@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’d say most of the time it’s an age thing the younger we are the easier impressed/amazed we are. growing older makes us sometimes cynical sometimes overloaded with imagery. The more you’ve seen the harder it gets to be impressed by stuff, cause you have seen so much. And we keep fond memories of the things we liked as kids and teenagers.

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• aeronmelon@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It helps that Sir Ian McKellen is a huge teddy bear with a heart of gold and he would hug anyone that sincerely, whether he knew them or not.

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• VelvetStorm@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Good acting.

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• fckreddit@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yeah, we all miss that kind of film-making. LotR trilogy is one of a kind.

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• sixpants@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Watching it with wife and son. Haven’t seen it in 20 years. Read books as kid.

  Only 45 minutes in and we could barely make ourselves stop (bed time).

  That said, I never bothered to finish the 3rd book and I don’t remember the 3rd movie. Turned into a typical war film/book from what I recall. Little interest to me.

  I hope my memory is wrong.

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• Jallu@sopuli.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Well, it’s Magic ✨

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