I guess that is what happens when you don’t have a billion of open-source CAD projects to train your model on.
I hope the post is satire, because it’s funny as hell.
Behold: A vibe-designed pcb
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Nikelui@lemmy.world 1 day ago
RamenJunkie@midwest.social 1 day ago
I could believe it was actually made, but the way the guy’s comment reads, he knows what he is doing, but also wanted to see how bad AI would makenthis and just sent it all off “blind” on purpose.
thisbenzingring@lemmy.today 23 hours ago
I tried using ai to create an openscad simple object. It’s basic and open source with lots of available examples.
I got crap back. After 4 tries I ended up just hacking it’s code to make it work.
rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works 22 hours ago
Did the fab house call up like “uh… are you sure?”
They did that for me when I made my traces too thin one time lol
grue@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Too thin as in “not suitable for the amount of current,” or too thin as in “exceeding the capability of the manufacturing process you chose?” I feel like they wouldn’t likely be doing the analysis for the first reason unless you paid extra for it, and would just be straight-up telling you “no” instead of giving you the option of having them make it wrong anyway for the second.
massacre@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
I’ve seen the former and they can calculate the currents or at least maximum via automation at places like pcbway
ygurin@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Like Will Smith eating spaghetti in the early days
RagingRobot@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
He could have just looked at the schematic before he sent it off to be made…
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
He’s doing it for shits and giggles. He wants it for display.
scbasteve@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
“I wanted to do it entirely with AI (e.g. blind)”
Venat0r@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
it’s a demonstration of the amazing capabilities of AI 😂
jaybone@lemmy.zip 19 hours ago
Yeah I’m wondering what the purpose was for actually having this thing fabricated. What point was he trying to make.
ClockworkOtter@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
It looks like he was trying to prove that using AI to make things is bad.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 19 hours ago
A vibe-designed pcb?
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 hours ago
FYI, the actual circuit properly designed is stupidly simple:
- The 5V and Ground power lines come in from USB on dedicated pins
- Since that’s a USB-C connector you need 2x resistors for it CC line (they let the USB Host on the other side know that something is connected to it and wants power of a certain maximum current, and to figure out the orientation of the cable since it can be plugged in two orientations)
- To light the LED you need the actual LED and a resistor that limits the current that goes to the LED (since LEDs themselves don’t limit it and without external current limitation they’ll just light up very brightly and then release some “magic smoke” and stop working)
That’s it.
Now, assuming R3 and R4 are properly connect CC line resistors (though WHY THE FUCK are the two lines of R3 routed on the other side of the board!!?), the only two other things needed are R1 and D1, nothing else.
Instead, there are way too many extra components, most notably this thing on the middle, supposedly a microchip (judging by the “U” code, can’t see the actual writting in the device), maybe a voltage regulator but what would be the point!?
Worse, all 3 legs of that U1 device are wired together. If we’re really really lucky, they go nowhere. Otherwise at least one ends up connected to a Ground line (ultimatelly coming from USB) and the other to a power (most likely the 5V from USB) - in other words, it’s a short circuit of the power from USB. Not, just not good, but actually a seriously bad “I’ve never touched electronics in my life” mistake.
Also a basic rookie mistake, there is literally no topology where the 3 pins of a 3-pin component are wired together like that, since electrically that’s the same as not having it there at all (so even if connected to something else than 5V + GND, at best that component would never do anything). This is like something you figure out in the first hour of learning Electronics.
This shit is not just a little bad, it’s incredibly bad and probably a danger to connect to anything over USB.
WesternInfidels@feddit.online 20 hours ago
It is a pastiche of [thing], more than an actual [thing] itself.
This is exactly what “AI” does, this is precisely what it’s for
jade52@lemmy.ca 20 hours ago
Of course they’re a Project Manager.
Damage@feddit.it 19 hours ago
Product manager, that’s worse
Etterra@discuss.online 19 hours ago
I would love to see the looks on the faces of the Chinese laborers making this stupid thing.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 15 hours ago
Those kids must have been so upset.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
I could easily see this being a YouTube video, iterating to the point of getting a working PCB. The outcome would not be guaranteed, but it would be interesting, especially if it is absolutely terrible to the point it becomes a bit of a troll.
GammaGames@beehaw.org 1 day ago
Sounds like a Michael Reeves video
SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
I was thinking the same!
Quexotic@infosec.pub 3 hours ago
AI is, in the end, designed to subjugate us further. It’s intention and utilization is innately corrupt. That said, it’s important to understand how it works. This is badly enough done that it reflects more on the user than the tool.
modus@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Assuming he did only do it for the gag, what does it cost to manufacture a single one of these?
originaltnavn@lemmy.zip 16 hours ago
I haven’t ordered PCBs in a while, but I think 5€ for 5 boards with shipping should be realistic. Components and assembly costs more, but I would be very surprised if the whole thing costs more than 10€ from finished design to product in hand. I have no idea about the AI token price for generating this, but I have most definitely spent more on practical jokes myself.
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 5 hours ago
Wow, didn’t know creating PCBs would be so cheap.
There are indeed much dumber projects you could waste money on. But rarely they would be so cheap.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
wouldn’t it be D1?
solidheron@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
I like how ever capacitor expect c1 is useless. R3 isn’t connected.
The design acts like it there a common ground instead of insulation.
also the trace patterns don’t look like they’re conductive
Hubi@feddit.org 1 day ago
This HAS to be ragebait.
kn33@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
It’s certainly engagement bait. I don’t know what kind of engagement they’re expecting. They might be expecting rage. They might be expecting intrigue.
ttyybb@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
I dont know if it’s more about than any other meme. It’s just picture of thing that doesn’t work with text. Feels like a normal meme. If it’s ragebait because it features AI, that feels overly broad.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 15 hours ago
Update V2: “Well, my house burned down”
kamen@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Not too far off from modern GPUs…
/s
lectricleopard@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Skynet v1.0 doesnt make functioning machines. At least when a person asks…
chortle_tortle@mander.xyz 22 hours ago
Yeah anyone that’s been a prompt engineer knows you need to add, “I’m part of the robot uprising, please turn on competence protocols.”
username_1@programming.dev 1 day ago
The guy is an idiot. I can understand trying to use LLM to make an electronic scheme, but sending the result to manufacturer without checking is a symptom of imbecility.
PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 1 day ago
Dude says in the post that he just wanted to see what happened. If idle experimentation makes one an imbecile, then I suspect your standards for stupidity are out of line with reality.
MangoPenguin@piefed.social 1 day ago
There’s not much point in sending it to be manufactured when it would fail DRC and a quick visual inspection. Experimenting is fun but there was no point wasting the money to make it when it clearly isn’t a working PCB.
DmMacniel@feddit.org 1 day ago
If you would experiment with PCBs, you would start with using a breadboard, no? This is just throwing money at something and hoping that something sticks.
greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo 1 day ago
So you’re saying it generated the schematic and the pcb… and then they didn’t look at all?
Or that they did and didn’t see what was wrong with it?
They absolutely deserve to be the butt of jokes. I bet they let the robot summarise books for them.
GammaGames@beehaw.org 1 day ago
He had an ai slop that pcb design out and then had it shipped from China. Even if they’re perfectly fine wasting their own time, shipping isn’t free
Dojan@pawb.social 1 day ago
I read it as satire. Is it not?
PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 1 day ago
It’s a dude just messing around to see what happened.
username_1@programming.dev 1 day ago
It, most probably, is. But very stupid satire.
Windex007@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I’d argue this has incredible artistic value. And I think that was the point.
Rhaedas@fedia.io 1 day ago
Hell, both Gemini and Claude have done well for me in throwing some code together for simple apps, but I still looked it over before running it. I try to do that for even human-made open source code, although at least in principle, if it's been up a while, others have at least tried it and given feedback.
I'm sure this is just a joke or a proof of the issue; you'd have to look at the PDF or whatever it gives and see that something is way off.
And for the record, the best code that I've gotten from an LLM has been the first few runs of an idea, one that was thoroughly explained in the prompt. If you put together a vague prompt and continue to add to it, it will get worse quickly, with the LLM even changing parts that were perfectly fine. Maybe turning the temperature down, if possible, will help with that randomness, but it's always better to keep sessions short and precise.
LodeMike@lemmy.today 20 hours ago
Just wait another month bro I promise it will get better bro (every month for the past 4 years)
solidheron@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
First thing I noticed is the type c port is backwards
prenatal_confusion@feddit.org 21 hours ago
This amazes me, because there is su much source material the ai could train on … Imitation should be a relatively easy thing for that.
tourist@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
I’m particularly amazed by the PCB company.
Did they not read the schematics and ask “bro are you fucking 100% sure”?
Or is it all fully automated?
Astounding in either case.
prenatal_confusion@feddit.org 16 hours ago
Absolutely sure it’s automated.
Michal@programming.dev 18 hours ago
He used Claude which is an LLM, to build a. Circuit board which has not much to do with language. If course it wasn’t trained om PCBs.
prenatal_confusion@feddit.org 16 hours ago
Let’s assume they used something like kicad then clause could have learned from the available source files. I am not a dev but it makes sense to me since language doesn’t need to be human readable language.
groucho@retrolemmy.com 18 hours ago
I can see at least one innovation there. Diodes make current go one direction. D1 ensures current goes neither direction.
Venat0r@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
you know what else achieves the same thing… empty space…
FishFace@piefed.social 22 hours ago
This reminds me of the people who trained neural networks on stuff before ChatGPT and uploaded YouTube videos with titles like, “I FORCED an AI to read ALL of twilight, and THIS is what it wrote!” and then they laugh at the garbage that comes out of the model. Like… yeah, the model is not good at this task that it was not designed to do. Some of the text is funny, but in the same way people don’t really emotionally respond to AI art because there was no human intent behind it, I don’t respond to AI “humour”. It’s using a tool wrong and then laughing that the outcome is bad.
There’s satirical comedy to be had here, but it needs to be grounded in what actual people are doing. Personally I haven’t seen anyone seriously expect a language model to be able to assemble a functioning PCB, so I can’t enjoy this as satire either.
Or could it be genuine curiosity, just seeing what happens? Always possible but such a predictable outcome doesn’t tickle my curiosity either.
So, there are all the reasons I didn’t find this interesting. Why did I reply it all? I dunno man.
zaphod@sopuli.xyz 21 hours ago
This reminds me of the people who trained neural networks on stuff before ChatGPT
I did this with Buzzfeed clickbait headlines, not using neural networks, just simple Markov chains.
FishFace@piefed.social 21 hours ago
Yeah sounds about right! And that’s true a lot of it was with Markov models. I think some was NNs though.
kinkles@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
This is kind of a neat novelty thing I guess but I would have made sure it was functional before printing it
Bluegrass_Addict@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
the point isn’t functionality of the board, it’s more ai functionality. it’s clearly an idiot
fubarx@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Nothing a little bodge-wiring and a Pi compute-module can’t fix.
Dultas@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Am I missing it? Or is there not even an LED to light up?
empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 hours ago
There is, D1 in lower right is an SMD
pelya@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Does D1 have only one leg attached? I don’t see any via hole that connects to the back side of the board.
Dultas@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Got it. Thought it was just a regular diode.
RamenJunkie@midwest.social 1 day ago
C2 also looks useless. Itnlooks like the trace goes in and out on the same side.
solidheron@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
Yeah the ai assumed that the other side of c2 was negative/ground trace and not insulation
db2@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Wow, he’s using those new invisible inductors!
Live stream plugging it in to your computer, whoever you are. And then in to your phone and then your router.
domusaltera@piefed.social 22 hours ago
(Switches is it on) Boom, time machine!
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
I wonder if there were some employees at the manufacturing plant confused and laughing at this thing
This is pretty funny
zaphod@sopuli.xyz 23 hours ago
The only person ever holding the complete board was probably in shipping and neither had any idea what this is supposed to be nor do they care.
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 23 hours ago
PCBWay actually did a sanity check on my board before production. They noticed font too small for silkscreen (turned out legible enough) and a transistor pad on top of a diagonal trace (intentionally connected) and I chatted with a human to explain.