Science is only political because scientists have to continuously convince politicians reality exists.
It’s frustrating that something like climate change is even a political discussion at all. Don’t Look Up captured that frustration really well.
"Science isn't political!"
Submitted 15 hours ago by fossilesque@mander.xyz to science_memes@mander.xyz
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Tattorack@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Tiresia@slrpnk.net 13 hours ago
Convincing people your interpretation of reality exists is literally all that politics is.
Unfortunately, despite being correct, science is also an interpretation of reality.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 13 hours ago
I think we need politics to go beyond one reality, and embrace a subjective multiverse where people can perceive what they want to perceive.
fossilesque@mander.xyz 15 hours ago
You can invent a vaccine, but getting people to take it is a different matter entirely.
starlinguk@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Andrew Wakefield managed to fuck up people’s attitude towards vaccines quite well without politics.
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 hours ago
161st upvote
RobotToaster@mander.xyz 14 hours ago
They also have to continually convince politicians and other politically minded people to give them money, and risk having it taken away if their results are politically inconvenient.
favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 10 hours ago
Bacteria is not in the kingdom plantae.
fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 hours ago
Funny that in Spanish it’s called “flora intestinal”, not “fauna intestinal”. Always though that it’s a but of a misnomer.
some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Intestinal flora is a common phrase in English, too. Or “gut flora”. It’s one of those old 19th century scientific phrases which has stuck around.
Like this, err, gentleman (who apparently wants to drag us back to that past) we used to believe gut bacteria to be plant-based. Science caught up, but the term has had sticking power. It seems to be a favorite of marketers of probiotic supplements.
“Microbiota” or just the straightforward “gut bacteria” would be more accurate and modern.
_stranger_@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Your stomach micro biome is plants.
favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 8 hours ago
That’s interesting. I wonder where the sunlight gets in to my stomach for all those plants to photosynthesize.
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 6 hours ago
Non organic plants at that
officermike@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
doesn’t harm organic tissue
Which is totally why Bayer has settled their lawsuit for several billions of dollars over claims that it causes lymphoma.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 10 hours ago
Also, the stomach’s microbiome isn’t plants…
Loce@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
One with frontotemporal dementia that has rapidly shrinking brain, the other one with half a brain eaten by the worm… in what fucking timeline do we live… feels like Rick and Morty episode… fuck. me.
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Your stomach microbiome is plants
This is why I spend a solid 3 hours a day facing the sun with my mouth held wide open. Gotta let my tummy plants photosynthesize somehow.
Canonical_Warlock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 hours ago
You say that as a joke but I’m pretty sure this clown is also one of the quacks who regularly talked about the “health benefits” of butthole tanning.
thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyz 10 hours ago
I once saw him (in person) give a drunken, sloppy, rambling speech to a bunch of high schoolers back in 1999. Calling him a clown is an insult to clowns.
Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
psycho_driver@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Sounds legit. Where do I sign up for my glyphosate injections?
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 12 hours ago
Everything is political, and there has never been a time that proves that better than now.
ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 3 hours ago
The fact that all of a sudden writing with a Sharpie is a political statement is baffling.
yesman@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Of course science is political. Knowledge is power and all power systems are political.
But ignoring philosophy, Science is a charity. By in large they must beg for their money. You don’t suppose that the people providing the money have any influence?
And I’m not talking about junk science, biased studies, or even fraud. A perfectly run study may still be political simply because it was chosen for funding over something else.
fossilesque@mander.xyz 10 hours ago
It’s a little more complex than that. Some things:
- …lse.ac.uk/…/book-review-dark-academia-how-univer…
- massivesci.com/…/chaos-in-the-brickyard-comic-mat…
It’s a structural problem, but still the same problem plaguing the rest of society at the moment.
Chakravanti@monero.town 6 hours ago
It looks like you all snuffed some TetraFunkoTetris
judgyweevil@feddit.it 15 hours ago
He contradicts himself even in his own wacky theories
Goodeye8@piefed.social 11 hours ago
Considering wacky theories have a tendency to contradict each other it would be far more impressive if his wacky theories weren’t contradictory.
GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Someone should.
RobotToaster@mander.xyz 14 hours ago
I can’t tell if this is supposed to be for or against glyphosate?
fossilesque@mander.xyz 14 hours ago
Depends who is making money.
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
He seems to be… pro-celiac?
RamenJunkie@midwest.social 10 hours ago
Real red blooded manly Americans only eat the rawest red meat directly from the carcas and have no need to worry about celiac disease like some girly communist liberal soy boy would.
/s
YoiksAndAway@piefed.zip 15 hours ago
I remember that when Roundup first came out, glyphosate was being held up as a brilliant example of herbicide design since it inhibits a vital metabolic pathway in plants that animals don’t have. They even claimed that the surfactants in Roundup were more harmful than the glyphosate itself. I guess that claim didn’t hold up too well.
Sickos@hexbear.net 7 hours ago
Only wearing crop tops to help the little greenhouse in my belly
lobut@lemmy.ca 12 hours ago
Ah yes, he’s on the show with the very tall and smart scientist Dr Rogan /s
realitista@lemmus.org 15 hours ago
Any scientists want to weigh in here? It’s a theory I’ve heard that does sound plausible even though it’s coming from this moron’s mouth.
protist@retrofed.com 15 hours ago
I’m just here to point out that your stomach microbiome consists of bacteria and fungi, which are not plants.
Jkosmonaut@infosec.pub 12 hours ago
In the spirit of the comment we’re replying to - what direct evidence is there? I’ve mostly seen studies providing dubious or weak links between realistic dosages of Glyphosate and any animal harm. I legitimately want to learn more if I’m mistaken.
realitista@lemmus.org 15 hours ago
Yes and in that you are correct.
remon@ani.social 15 hours ago
Nah, that sentence is just total non-sense.
Plants are still “organic tissue”, the microbiome is mostly in the gut, not the stomach (the stomach is full of acid) and it does NOT consist of plants.
realitista@lemmus.org 14 hours ago
I was asking more of whether glyphosphate was responsible for some of the seeming uptake in gut disorders from wheat we see today.
fox@hexbear.net 10 hours ago
RFK’s entire health policy is oriented around the false belief that all disease is the result of dietary choices, i.e. metabolic disorders that can be treated with supplements. The supplements market is unregulated and larger by far than the pharmacological market, but it doesn’t really get a slice of public health money.
RFK is trying very hard to make it possible for government dollars to subsidize pseudoscience health bullshit and the easiest way to do it is by promoting the idea that the cause of good health is diet and exercise and the cause of bad health is bad diet and no exercise. Which isn’t strictly wrong, but it is a way for him to crowbar in fascist ideas about people with hereditary diseases and the disabled and so on, while cashing in on that sweet unregulated supplement money
MattEagle@hexbear.net 14 hours ago
I think it’s been posted here because it is funny, as the gut microbiome is in fact not “plants”
gnutrino@programming.dev 14 hours ago
I believe what he was trying to get at is that the shikimate pathway that glyphosate inhibits is also used in the bacteria and fungi that make up the gut microbiome.
Not sure what his overall point was supposed to be (or whether he had one) but that’s the “microbiome is plants” part.
ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
We are increasingly finding out that gut biome affects mood because the majority of serotonin and dopamine are produced in the gut. While I have to see any conclusive research, I would not be the least surprised to see a direct link between glycophosphate and depression discovered in the future.
figjam@midwest.social 14 hours ago
My mother developed an allergy to Roundup that she thought was celiac until she discovered that organic bread didn’t bother her at all.
discocactus@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
So I know just because they are saying to bring back the R word and stop being woke, it’s still offensive to many but…
GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
As an individual to whom the r-slur applies, I think that this word also applies to RFK Jr.
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
So what does he think he’s found a cure for this time? We’ve done covid, fatness, and autism - is this supposed to be a cure for gluten allergy?
dohpaz42@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
As someone with violent celiacs disease, i can appreciate the lure of something that could cure or alleviate a genuine gluten allergy. It would be absolutely amazing if it were to ever happen.
But anything coming out of this guy’s mouth is poison, and should be treated as such.
FishFace@piefed.social 15 hours ago
Science itself is not political, this is not a science meme, and having looked at your post history I won’t be missing anything by not seeing you again.
spinne@sh.itjust.works 15 hours ago
Assuming you’re a student, have you ever tried to write up a lab report from multiple arguments using the same experiment? It’s a fun exercise in the potential for politics in science because it shows how you can capture and use the same data to argue diametrically opposing points.
FishFace@piefed.social 13 hours ago
There is a philosophical distinction between the essence of science and the human application of scientific method. It’s not that important a distinction in practice, but I don’t refrain from pedantry when replying to people who for some reason can’t bring themselves to post in a political memes community.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 1 hour ago
Sometimes I have this weird theory that RFK Jr is really like a Dr. Zoidberg type alien in a skin suit. He just kind of guesses at how human anatomy works because he isn’t human himself and isn’t professional enough to get a real education on the subject.