I love paying for schools, because I hate being surrounded by dumb people.
We can play that game too
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Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Frozengyro@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Jokes on you, I pay for schools and am still surrounded by dumb people!
phx@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The underfunding or undercutting of education is a big part of why we’re in the current situation
salvaria@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
“A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they shall never sit”
LillyPip@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
So many people don’t understand why we live in a society, and apparently have no capacity for empathy.
They’re free to go live in the wilderness, with no roads, no fire department, no water or electricity, no services whatever, and find out how much they’re actually benefiting from our collective.
They won’t, because though they like to complain, they’re pussies who can’t be bothered to think for 5 minutes that the fact they can read and write their snarky bullshit is because they benefitted from free education, else they’d be illiterate.
But gods forbid they pay back the overwhelming amount they benefit from society in a small way. It’s fucking infuriating.
FireRetardant@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
As someone who works on private wells and water systems, its always baffling to me when someone with a “hunt camp” more luxurious than any house I’ll ever afford is complaining about the cost of our services. Like dude your “camp” is 2000 sqft and and 200 kms from the nearest city. Yea its gonna cost a bit to make your well water clean, clear, and safe to drink while running on a solar system.
They’ll even start to question my wage and why the bill costs so much (as if i have any say) completely tone death to the struggles of people outside their class. They imply if i was paid less their bill would be much cheaper despite me barely making enough to own my own tiny home and my wages really aren’t a major cost on the bill.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
if you guys don’t have much competition, you should start treating those customers fairly
and by fairly I mean treat them how they treat you
davad@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Sounds like you need to raise your rate. And also not break out your wage from the other costs in the invoice.
Deceptichum@quokk.au 2 weeks ago
You know the Mongols did this thing where they poisoned wells.
gaiussabinus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You are not free to do any of those things as the land is owned and you would be squatting. These people are removed by force. There is no choice except engage with society as there are no other options.
LillyPip@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
You’d have to buy your own land, of course.
But you could buy a tiny plot in the middle of nowhere, not hook up any utilities or have roads, and just live off your land if you wanted.
There are small parcels in the middle of noplace that nobody wants because there are no roads, utilities, or other services.
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 2 weeks ago
They’re free to go live in the wilderness, with no roads, no fire department, no water or electricity, no services whatever, and find out how much they’re actually benefiting from our collective.
That’s the neat part. They do try, repeatedly, and it always fails. A classic one is Grafton. It’s also known as A Libertarian Walks into a Bear because their little paradise got overrun by aggressive bears. Lack of public services will do that.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
we live in a society, while rich people live in an economy
ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
They’re free to go live in the wilderness, with no roads, no fire department, no water or electricity, no services whatever, and find out how much they’re actually benefiting from our collective.
Where?
This is what I want to do, but I can’t afford to buy land on which to do it (and not just any land is useful for this either, it needs to be capable of supporting people before you can count it). Land enough to support a small homestead isn’t cheap, and zoning/local laws often restricts what you can do on it. So for example you may buy land, but not be allowed to drill a well, even if you have the means and knowledge to do so. Or if you buy land you can afford, you may not be allowed to build a permanent structure on it at all.
You’ll get kicked out (and possibly fined) of both state and national parks in the US if they find you “permanently camping”, which they are likely to do since there are frequently people out there. The only other option is squatting on private property. If you get caught before whatever time passes for squatters laws to take effect, you lose everything you’ve built up.
I mean don’t get me wrong, I don’t mind paying for things I’ll never use because it makes society as a whole better. All I’m saying is opting out of living in a society is nearly impossible for most people even if they are ok with not having all the stuff society funds like roads and fire control.
LillyPip@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Search off-grid properties. They exist.
Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
God I hate boomers
bestelbus22@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The rich and powerful are making us hate each other to distract us of the real problems of the world
AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Yes, but boomers are a chunk of the reason that the rich and powerful continue to be able to grasp and maintain power.
If boomers ceased to exist tomorrow and elections were held, I think there’d be a good swing left. Not a total swing, but substantial.
thisbenzingring@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
while that is true, it is also true that a majority of boomers I know are worth this feeling of contempt and loathing
Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I hate them too but boomers can fuck off as well. Logan’s run was onto something.
toddestan@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Not that I disagree, but 90 would be silent generation.
buttnugget@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Then you should disagree. Saying all boomers are entitled traitors is like saying all millennials squander their income on avocado toast.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m tired of people acting like they shouldn’t contribute to the betterment of society as a whole because their contribution doesn’t benefit them personally, or benefits others they dislike.
frostysauce@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
And it absolutely does benefit them personally, just in ways they’re too dumb to see.
Bytemeister@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I vote for school tax levys. I don’t (and probably will never) have kids.
yermaw@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I always take it to a literal extreme when these sorts of arguments come up.
“I’m happy paying towards unemployment benefits because everybody needs to eat. Even if its going to drug addicts spending it on crack, because they need thst crack and theyre going to get it. I’d rather them be in the dole office with their hands out than sneaking around my house in the night taking my xbox.”
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Same is true for people who really really don’t want to work. I’d rather they live in social housing, get some small social assistance check and spend their time in front of the tv drinking beers, than roam the streets and bothering people by begging or worse committing crimes because they can hold a job down and refuse all help.
Some people just can’t be convinced to better their lives and these people need to be managed and jail is not the answer. And often these people do turn around and start accepting help.
minorkeys@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
People are not a consistent part of any community and have no relationship with the past or future of any community. The past is a completely different world, as will be the future, and we move through communities constantly in modern life, never becoming a meaningful and enduring part to any of them. A community would have to be part of our sense of self to have any of our interests be in its future. The pace of change has completely disconnected us from any concept. Of planning beyond the boundaries of our own lives, especially into a future we will never see for a community we don’t feel a part of.
We have also become almost completely powerless with regard to how the world is shaped and for what purpose. Corporations, the wealthy and powerful, and authoritarian inclined governments have taken that power from individuals and communities to use for their personal desires. They are also the cause of the pace of change, creating the very context of community disempowerment which enables them to take that power.
Everyone in the lower 99% is struggling to simply keep existing and find a justification to do so, maybe have a couple of kids if they’re lucky. It is not reasonable, living in a rapidly changing system of constant political and economic selfishness, to expect the struggling people to make their own lives harder to try make plans that benefit other people’s futures. It’s impossible to even know what plans are wise when the powerful and wealthy change things so fast to benefit themselves, that most plans will never even be fulfilled.
We are all being fucked, present past and future, by the runaway selfishness of people whose power is unchallenged. Pointing fingers at each other for making desperate decisions that hurt others to protect ourselves is fucking stupid. These are not the choices we want to be making but are forced to. There are no good choices to make, be selfish or be dead is becoming normal. That’s the world we inherited.
hansolo@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
I attended a very rural school district and in 7th grade a bunch of retired people got their friends to elect them to the school board and at their first meeting they closed my school.
But hey, it’s OK. They’re all dead now.
Psionicsickness@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
I love a happy ending.
Deceptichum@quokk.au 2 weeks ago
Voting needs a max age cap, and it needs to be lowered to 15-16 imo.
asg101@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I am 70 and tired of paying for wars, corporate welfare, and bailing out bankers and oil companies.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Sorry, but someone heard a story about a rich black woman using food stamps to buy a fancy car, so now we’re cutting the Give Surplus Food to Starving People program in half and giving twice it’s value to a company run out of Hondorus by Peter Thiel’s Ket dealer called QueefCoin.
asg101@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
The best corporate propaganda money can buy.
ComradePorkRoll@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If you’re 90 and that selfish, you shouldn’t have made it to 90.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
ComradePorkRoll@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Overgrown toddler.
AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Fun fact, the guy who posted that (Caleb Hammer) is a YouTuber that allegedly hired actors to pretend to be broke people making bad financial decisions to get money off selling you a budgeting course when real people weren’t shocking enough for the audience, and also allegedly pressured a guy into doing OnlyFans after touching him inappropriately. Fun! /s
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/beware-austin-based-creator-caleb-hammer-victor-vulcano-bjzaf
brownsugga@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Jesus that’s on Linked in
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yep.
Linked in is basically facebook for weirdo “80 hour workweeks should be a minimum, thats how I show my dedication!” types.
thermal_shock@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Jesus Christ, it’s not Jason bourne
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
Common Caleb L.
thermal_shock@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’ve seen a bunch of the videos. Ones from a year ago or longer were much better, lately he’s been a dick.
abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
“Why should I, a man who religiously drives and has no children or grandchildren, pay for these things?”
Because it benefits you and society at large in other ways. It is in society’s best interests that people are educated so they can do much more in society than they would’ve otherwise. It is in society’s best interests to have robust, comprehensive public transport, because that way the roads won’t be clogged up, stopping you from driving. It benefits you that the nurses at your care home can read what meds they’re giving you and can do maths. It benefits you if people can get to their destinations without driving otherwise you would not be able to park at your destination. Your meals on wheels not getting stuck in traffic? The ambulance being able to get to you and get you to the hospital on time? The people around you being able to have the skills to operate in not just the work place and the world? All of that benefits you.
Thinking like this is how we ended up in the shit we’re in worldwide.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yep.
Just cause you don’t actively use it every day, doesnt mean you don’t actively benefit from it every day.
People are so myopically fucking ignorant…
abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I have met people who think like that on the regular and I just want them to go move to an American Car Suburb and see how they like it.
Hanielwealth@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Funny username
Jax@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I’d be willing to wager these people also exhibit telltale signs of anti-social personality disorders. Who woulda thunk, that anti-social people would be antithetical to society?
fodor@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I love the “but I don’t use that so I shouldn’t pay for it” argument. Like come on, my dude, that’s what a society is about. If you don’t want to live in society, move to Siberia.
mp3@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Social security is the kind of thing that everyone should be glad to pay, and crosses their fingers they’ll never need it.
I’d rather have a part of my income goes there and have the ability to bounce if life gives me lemons than end up in a bottomless spiral of poverty I have no hope to get out of.
Stez827@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
This guy is not actually saying he doesn’t want to pay into social security he is pointing out how dumb of an argument it is “I don’t use it therefore I shouldn’t have to pay into it”. Although even if he is complaining about it it’s valid because until now it’s been something that you could pretty much count on for getting after you retire. But now for my generation we are probably all fucked
skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I am happy to pay it so long as I have any sort of expectation that I will see a return from it.
It is becoming increasingly clear to working Americans that we will never see a dollar back out of the Social Security program when it comes time for us to need it.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
Did you not go to school when you were younger? You benefited from those schools at some point in your life.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
The doctors giving you end of life care also went to school. Unless you are ok with us changing that?
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
Yup. No matter which angle you want to approach it from, bitching about funding schools is not a good look.
silver@das-eck.haus 2 weeks ago
90 and not happy paying taxes? Save us all some trouble and move on to the graveyard
Manjushri@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
That’s a really dumb argument. A person complains about paying for something that they’ll never get, and the IndyStar’s response is to complain about paying for something that they’ve already benefited from, and that was paid for by others. I would further add, paying for schools is a great thing even if you don’t have and will never have kids. Without good schools, everyone else’s kids will probably grow up to be conservatives.
einlander@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Twitters UI sucks, indystars statement came first, the. The outer comment.
Manjushri@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Ah, oops. I should pay closer attention. I’ll leave the post and take my beatings.
Echolynx@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
We sure do live in a society… why are boomers/silentgen like this?
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Their parents didn’t hit them hard enough.
biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Username checks out
nialv7@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yes, of course you are. That’s why taxes are mandatory and you go to jail if you don’t pay.
Bakkoda@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
If it has a blue check on a Nazi platform, it might be a Nazi.
buttnugget@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They also give out blue checks for verified accounts and frequently if you don’t even ask for it. Plus, lots of them are just idiots, not Nazis.
driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 2 weeks ago
How that person move around at 90 without public transit? Hope is not driving.
teuniac_@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Cycling? My granddad did at 90. 4 years later he still does, but on 3 wheels
52fighters@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
Social security does need reform. There’s no reason we should cap contributions. We also need more nuance by ability and type of work one does written we device retirement ages.
brownsugga@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
At 40, I’m tired
ronl2k@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Current boomers have paid for 100% of their Social Security pension from payroll deductions from their working years. Social Security pensions are not dependent on young taxpayers.
carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
opinion: individualism is a plague and the generational war is a distraction
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Yep, the real war is the class war and the billionaires are winning.
slaacaa@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Exactly. Class is the biggest thing that divides us, the rest is a distraction.
turdas@suppo.fi 2 weeks ago
Most billionaires are also boomers. The class war and the war against gerontocracy are one and the same.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
people should be able to have their own sense of choice and identity.
people should also realise that together we can make it so that everyone can reach their full potential, making society better.
pay your fucking taxes
Fiery@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I love taxes, I would gladly pay even more taxes if that meant everyone would be provided for.
Except at the moment our taxes here in Belgium are already quite high, and our tax system is a complete cluster fuck with plenty of loopholes for the strongest shoulders to not have to carry their weight. Some part of that is even fraudulent, and they’re trying to get a law through right now to find those cases of fraud more efficiently… But it is being opposed by parts of the govt with privacy as the excuse (which I’d normally agree with, except what they’re trying to change is not that egregious afaik and the ratio of found vs investigated fraud is insane)
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
We can’t, because there is always a percent of people, a large percent, for whom suffering is the point.
We can’t, but something else can, and something more civilized will displace us.
Our evil dies with us.
piwakawakas@lemmy.nz 2 weeks ago
There can be more than one issue, of which both of these are a problem.
The boomers and the rediculously wealthy have the same mindset: fuck you, I’ve got mine
fishy@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
It’s a myth that all the boomers got theirs. Don’t get me wrong, our deal is absolutely worse, but the rich have been fucking people for profit as long as there’s been rich people.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
Something something not all boomers. There’s selfish rich people in every age group. In the case of Boomers they happened to be born at the same time as a ton of other people, so they became the most influencial voting block (and later the wealthiest voting block because of the political influence)