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ironically philosophy majors perform better on graduate school entrance exams like thd LSAT than most other majors, and philosophy graduates tend to be more successful and be better earners than business major graduates
arugably, philosophy is one of the better majors in terms of outcomes
This is PURE speculation, but I feel like this could be caused by the only people who feel comfortable getting a philosophy degree are wealthy connected people. I know a lot of people from my high school that have stereotypical “be poor forever” degrees and are doing great - but if you knew them in high school, you’d know that they had millionaire parents. All the poor kids went for safer degrees because they knew they’d need money.
Don’t ya think this might be a bit bias? They have a vested interest to sell you a philosophy degree.
I used my philosophy of science classwork all the time in my engineering career.
What constitutes proof? What kinds of questions can you answer with data? When do we consider a pattern of behavior to represent the existence of some entity?
Being able to think about these kinds of questions with clarity is really helpful in diagnosing problems in large systems.
yes, thought the facts and studies they link to remain true regardless - this is the strongest argument for getting a philosophy degree, it makes sense they present it
Learned CS/Coding at school, ended up with a factory job in manufacturing.
The meme is right, it is a pretty balling existence all things considered
A philosophy degree might actually stand out more in today’s job market than a CS one.
I wasn’t sure if you meant Computer Science or Cyber Security. Then I remembered it doesn’t matter.
CS is Computer Science, Cyber Security is abbreviated as CyberSecs, Google it
My kids will get a degree in prompt engineering.
I was a dual major Electrical Engineering/Philosophy. The rigorous logic in some branches of philosophy was very helpful for programming principles. And the the philosophy of mathematics and philosophy of mind has overlaps with and supplements modern AI theory pretty well.
I’m out of the tech world now but if I were hiring entry level software developers, I’d consider a philosophy degree to be a plus, at least for people who have the threshold competency in actual programming.
Yeah, the CS head at the small college I went to was also the Philosophy head (he got his doctorate in philosophy). The same formal logic class was a requirement for the CS, philosophy, and law degrees.
Most of my programming career was spent working for small consulting firms that created custom software for (relatively) small clients. The most important skill by far was the ability to talk to customers (and listen to them as well) in order to understand what they needed the custom software to actually do. Not only is this skill not taught in the Computer Science curriculum, it’s not even conceived of as a thing. My bosses were constantly hiring freshly-minted CS grads and could not understand why I rejected having them placed on my team. I instead always looked for people that had experience not just with programming but with things outside of the programming world entirely.
That being said, I sure would not have wanted a freshly-minted philosophy grad either, for the same reason.
La might is doing some heavy load.
I’m not kidding I studied philosophy and now genuinely work in a factory an a mechanic. I’ve made it big according to this.
I majored in Philosophy and am now a commercial HVAC mechanic. 🤷
I have a degree in philosophy and I draw PowerPoint decks for other nerds to use and turn into data platforms that I used to build myself…
What type of qualification ment that you could get a job as a mechanic? Was it the philosophy?
a lot of jobs dont need qualifications.
Going to college purely for a career is a hell of a gamble and the most likely positive outcomes are in fields where everyone fucking hates you (business majors, etc).
Go to improve yourself. Learn all you are interested in. Experience new things. For most jobs, nobody cares what your major is anyway. They care that you can focus on a long term goal and achieve it and a college degree demonstrates that.
my boss got mad when trying to use the “Socratic method” on a project that I was contradicting them and questioning their every statement
?!?!?!!?
Look, as a 40yo I have to advise new kids to yes, do what you want, but research the market first. If you want to do Philosophy to be a teacher great, but if not mayber try other areas like socialology or history that have a slight better market…Or just learn IT because that’s the future and you are never out of a job
Computer science graduates have one of the highest rates of unemployment
or just study what you want and get job skills separately.
This often cited study from 2012 reported that something like only 27% of those with bachelor’s degrees were working in a field related to their major. It’s over 10 years old but there’s no reason to assume that the general broad principles don’t still apply in the modern economy.
University educations have never been intended to be mere vocational skills programs. Being able to research, read, and write critically are important broad skills that are useful in life (including in the workforce), and most jobs out in the world don’t actually require significant specialized education.
People who work in sales, management, design, logistics, event planning, contracting, marketing, advertising, finance, real estate, and things like that don’t need particular degrees to do those jobs, but most of the white collar world has degrees. There’s nothing wrong with majoring in English literature and then going into software sales, or majoring in history and going into logistics, or majoring in philosophy and becoming a journalist. It’s not like you get a free pass to stop learning once you’re in an industry, and keeping up means learning things that weren’t even known when you were in college.
It’s liberating when you realize that the choices you made at 18 don’t box you in for life. You have the flexibility to make career changes into different industries, different roles, different cities, and different employers when you realize that most jobs can be learned as you go.
And most jobs suck, so it’s worth finding something that fits your strengths and ignores your weaknesses, so that it’s just easier for you to do.
Not really. I’m not sure how it ended up so rounded, but getting a degree is more than just “get skills for the job”. When you are getting any bachelor’s degree, you also have to take a certain amount of history, music appreciation, etc, heck my school even required lifetime fitness. It’s also learning alongside your peers to suffer together, I mean work together.
Also, for something like engineering, you don’t want a job to teach the basics of safely designing a building. You want that in school so when your job asks you to do something dumb, you can explain to them why it is unsafe and correctly refuse.
I like how my friend put it: “You COULD go to a technical school to get a job, but you wouldn’t be very interesting to talk to.”
Looking down on manufacturing jobs is so cool.
How else are you supposed to look at conveyor belt?
With desire.
everyone looks down on people they feel are social inferior to them.
job, education, grammar, race, sex, take your pick.
I’m gonna go with “calf muscles”.
This simple statement encapsulates a lot about what has been going on in the world for the last 50 years. Or even since the Industrial Revolution. And explains a lot about “why Trump” and also a lot about why Trump will fail (not before tearing us all down first.)
This is a funny meme but biotechnology manufacturing is big worldwide and needs STEM degrees for entry level
why study when you can become a manosphere grifter for free?
Philosophy major now running an IT department at a major university checking in
Philosophy major Senior Software engineer.
🫡 Majors …
GraniteM@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
I talked to a guy who had a master’s degree in philosophy. He told me he worked for an investment firm.
Me: What do you do there, convince investment bankers not to kill themselves?
Him: Yeah, pretty much.
Me: 😳
kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 hours ago
So there is a way to use your philosophy degree for evil.
icelimit@lemmy.ml 9 hours ago
In this case, chaotic neutral i think.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Sometimes there is great value in a job done poorly.
CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 hours ago
I’d think it’d be more ethical to do the exact opposite.
xylol@leminal.space 8 hours ago
But then who would pay you
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
I have a masters in philosophy.
I work in IT security and compliance. I’m getting promoted way faster than most of my peers who have masters in technology… because they are really bad at understanding new concepts and ideals and how to apply them.