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Anon misses the classic design

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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Early_To_Risa@sh.itjust.works⁩ to ⁨greentext@sh.itjust.works⁩

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  • shice@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    If I remember correctly, the spherical design was mainly created to resemble a baseball. Since most US citizens knew how to throw a baseball at the time it would mean they didn’t have to train soldiers as much

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    • Atomic@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      That is a myth. The spherical form is to maximize surface area to volume for shrapnel, ensuring that no matter how it lands. Shrapnel will go in all directions.

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      • Rusty@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        That’s definitely a myth. Soviet WW-2 grenades like RGD-5 and F-1 are also spherical and baseball was unknown at that time in USSR.

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      • InputZero@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        It’s also wayyy more cost effective when you’re transporting them. For the Allies, because they relied so heavily on supply lines every cubic foot of space on a ship or truck was important. Carrying a grenade on a stick to the front means not carrying three more grenades. I’m sure four grenades are more lethal than one grenade that a soldier might be able to throw a little bit further.

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    • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      So… what were the Germans so used to throwing that theirs has a handle?

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      • idiomaddict@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Going off of the shape and what I know of Germany today, beer bottles.

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      • ieatpwns@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Dildos

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      • SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Axis axes

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  • Comrade_Spood@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    The reason is logistics (as usually the reason for most things military related). You can fit a hell of a lot more conventionally shaped grenades in a crate than you can with stick grenades. Even on a person, conventional grenades weigh less, are less cumbersome, and you can carry more compared to stick grenades. Stick grenades really only have their ease of throwing over a conventional grenade

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    • Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I wonder if anyone in the military has used a sling to launch a grenade.

      You’d want a longer fuse though…

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      • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        According to wikipedia, the International Brigades used slings to hurl grenades during the Spanish American War. I’ve heard tell of Ethiopian troops using slings to launch grenades as recently as World War I, but can’t find a source.

        And I know people have launched molotovs from slings, which are larger and more unwieldy, unless we’re talking about the German example above with a handle.

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      • raltoid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Grenades are used at closer and more hectic ranges that most people realize, so it’s often much faster to just throw it instead of having to prepare some sort of implement to increase range.

        There have been instances of things being used, like slings, slingshots and even devices similar to those things you use to throw tennis balls for dogs. But at the end of the day, the increased range is rarely worth the extra time. You would only get an advantage as an opening attack from a longer distance. And for that we already have underslung grenade launchers on weapons, or mortars from much further out.

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      • lepinkainen@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Or a cistera 😀

        Dungeon Crawler Carl Style

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      • Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        They used slingshots during WW1, it wasn’t great

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      • Korhaka@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Sling staff to launch grenades?

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      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Just connect the pin to the sling so it slides out as you launch it. It has the small side effect of maybe getting stuck, but hey, nothing is perfect.

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      • pupbiru@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        just grab a dog ball throwing stick

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    • jaybone@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      It’s easier to pack and ship cylinders than it is to ship oblong spheroids.

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      • regdog@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        You only look at the complexity of the shapes and ignore the total volume used

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      • Cethin@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        That’s probably partly why the new modular grenade is a cylinder, but that’s worse for a frag grenade.

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  • Sergio@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Interesting question.

    The stick design provides leverage for throwing longer distances, but at the cost of additional weight and length, and has been considered obsolete by western countries since the Second World War and Cold War periods.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenade

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    • owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Ah, then why not throw them with a sling? All the extra leverage with none of the extra weight, and it’s more or less silent. Imagine a barrage of grenades coming in from 200 yards at 60mph.

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      • radix@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        You could even give it some sort of rocket propulsion.

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      • Rivalarrival@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I’ve seen slings used to throw things. Either ropes attached to the projectile, or pouches on ropes designed to release the projectile.

        I’ve also seen those slings not throw the “grenade” 200 yards away, but straight up in the air, or wrapping around branches or arms or flying backwards…

        Slings require just enough skill that they would probably be more lethal to friend than foe.

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      • Walk_blesseD@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Just use a drone to drop it two kilometres away instead

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      • OhNoMoreLemmy@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Because you have to learn to use a sling and if you’re not good you’re much more likely to blow yourself up.

        You could probably come up with a more idiot friendly version though some kind of fabric sock where you just launch the whole thing

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      • match@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        this is the guy i want on my team for the post apocalypse

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      • ricecake@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Most boringly because most western armies are probably going to use an airplane or tank in that situation. Significantly less risky to have the squishy people hide behind something strong while a machine does the dangerous work from a distance, if you can manage that.

        Grenade is more for close distances, like “just over that ridge” or “in the next room”.

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    • Trimatrix@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      My guess? the stick part blocks the effectiveness of the explosiveness at where ever the stick is point at time of impact. You could argue that to change that would be to make the stick part the actual explosive part and have effectively an explosive baton. But then the ends of the “danger” baton wouldn’t have the same explosive effect to the target facing the end of the baton grenade compared to a target facing the sides of the baton. So, to mitigate that, a sphere shaped grenade would probably be ideal with separable metalic “scales” as a shell. Now you have ideal coverage of the area no matter how the grenade lands at the target.

      At that point, I would assume ergonomics and determining which way was up so that you know where the pin is leads to why grenades look the way they do today.

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      • remotelove@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        It’s just a bit of wood attached to a fairly big chunk of explosive and I would guess that wood shrapnel is just as deadly as metal within it’s effective range. The stick isn’t going to block much of anything.

        Stuck grenades could have a fragmentation sleeve, but they relied more on the explosive concussion for damage, not the shrapnel.

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  • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I doubt you can throw them further. Has a lot more drag and is less dense than modern grenades.

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    • raltoid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      You are seemingly correct:

      According to the British War Office, the stielhandgranate had a throwing distance of up to 27m while standing, compared to the 35m distance of the M67. Which weighs 30% less and take up 75% less space lengthwise.

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      • taladar@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I would assume the ideal design for distance would be shaped somewhat like a glider.

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      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Why not an American football shape, but grenade sized?

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  • dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I’ve been playing a good amount of disc golf lately. Why not a disc shape?

    • With proper training, it can be thrown over 100 meters.
    • It can curve around corners.
    • It’s fun.
    • It will definitelly hit the very first tree in your path and kill you.
    • it stacks nicely in a backpack.
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    • BootLoop@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Make these Bionicle disk launchers but military sized.

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      • Generic_Idiot@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Bruh bionicles were the shit I’d forgotten!

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    • anton@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      You know how you can throw a frisbee at an angle that makes it come back to you in a straight line?
      An angle that you can easily hit if you try to throw out of a trench…

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    • ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      No. 4 is proof that you really are a disc golfer.

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    • BigPotato@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Stacks nicely in a backpack? You know how much crap goes in a medium ruck? How’s Jenkins gonna find my stash of disk nades under my spare ammo and ‘field stripped’ MREs? No, I need my grenades quick access, on my chest next to the repurposed saw pouch full of rip-its.

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      • dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Okay, but how about both? 2 discs in the backpack (or medium ruck if you want to be german about it) and a waist of ball nades. Then you have options!

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    • sowitzer@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Add some LEDs and feel like you’re playing Tron instead of killing people.

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    • Legume5534@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
      • heavy.
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  • SnortsGarlicPowder@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Long wooden handles don’t go boom. Wasted space.

    The grenade pouch has to be much longer to house them or the grenades are hung on a belt that can cause movement issues.

    Throwing a ball is about as easy as throwing a stick. So no point for the stick shape.

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    • HK65@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Throwing a ball is about as easy as throwing a stick.

      Yeah but the stick goes further because all the weight is at the end so it gets more momentum on the same throwing arc

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      • TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Eh, the extra momentum probably doesn’t overcome the extra weight and drag created by the handle. People are comparing it to an atlatl, but you’re throwing an aerodynamic object with the atlatl, not the atlatl along with the spear.

        More than likely the biggest reason is just logistics, extra weight, extra space, additional steps in fabrication.

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    • dogs0n@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Upgrade: Splinter attack.

      Also i feel like I would be able to throw a stick one further, am I wrong?

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      • MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I could definitely throw the stick one farther but I have a shoulder problem/disability.

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    • Bytemeister@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Can’t roll it into a bunker or small window.

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    • ameancow@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Yah but how else will you advertise your secret fetish for fascism?

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      • trungulox@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I dunno. Eating human shit?

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    • festnt@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      but ball can’t give anyone pleasure

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      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Not with that attitude.

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      • SnortsGarlicPowder@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Just gotta add some strong string.

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  • untakenusername@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    can give you pleasure

    ofc anon thought of that

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    • supernicepojo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I recall a story of an evacuated ER in the UK(?). Bomb squad called because an older man showed up with unexploded ordinance in their rectum. Think it was a WW2 shell in that case but the parallels remain.

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  • barneypiccolo@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    The traditional hand grenade became the standard for the American military because American soldiers grew up playing baseball, and were extremely accurate throwing grenades the same way. American Baseball gave American soldiers an advantage that European and Asian militaries didn’t have.

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  • grrgyle@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    What about one of those long spoony “scoop” type things that people use to throw balls at the dog park?

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    • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      You mean like a Jailai stick?

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      • trungulox@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        You mean like an Atlatl?

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    • Jiggle_Physics@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      The Canadians used lacrosse sticks in WW1

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  • k0e3@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Anon is over-analizing the design.

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  • ODGreen@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    They could make a stick that a soldier could put a spherical grenade on to help give extra range. Like an atlatl or one of those tennis ball launchers for dogs.

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    • KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Image

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    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Like a Vortex football! They could even put those little whistle things on the sides so they make that sound while soaring through the air

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    • BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Balls go further than sticks. Theyre more aerodynamic for a start.

      Dont worry, the Military Industry Complex is all about killing people, so it would be using sticks if it was beneficial.

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    • wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Like a gun!

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    • Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Or a 7 meter long stick, just bob it off

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  • DrunkAnRoot@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    more expensive building a grenade with a full wood handle and all extra parts is more expensive then ball that go boom

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  • bitwolf@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    You can also easily string them together into a fancy danger necklace

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  • MehBlah@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    They facist nazi’s that used them was destroyed. No one cared about the design of the grenades. Only the rockets and the jet engines.

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  • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Someone must have tried a jai alai stick at some point.

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  • j4k3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    forbidden drum stick

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  • Jimmycakes@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Wood is heavy

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  • Paranomaly@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    One reason I’ve heard it’s that you can hold the spoon after pulling the pin on a pineapple grenade, but not on a stick

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    • LordWiggle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Plus, these are huge, not easy to carry several in addition to all your other gear.

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