Haha, that’s not how it works outside the US.
Having a baby? Use this one weird trick!
Submitted 2 months ago by Genius@lemmy.zip to [deleted]
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ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Revan343@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
TIL the rest of the Americas don’t exist
I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Name a non-US country in the Americas that is not
- Closest to fascism than the US
- Currently threatened by the US
- Poverty stricken and lacking basic infrastructure (electricity, plumbing, internet) to a majority of the country.
merc@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
OP said “overseas”. Generally Canada and Mexico aren’t considered “overseas” from the US, since you can drive there. Probably most people would consider South America to be “overseas” from the US, but I think it’s more commonly used for routes that involve crossing an ocean: Europe, Asia, Africa, etc.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
As much as people are criticizing the proposed changes to this concept in the US, yes, this is true. In many countries that are arguably more free and democratic than the US even, this is not the way citizenship works and the post comes off as uninformed.
LanguageIsCool@lemmy.world 2 months ago
While I agree most countries aren’t like this, most countries also weren’t beacons for immigration. I get where OP is coming from. The US didn’t have a smooth transition from “come on all in yall” to “gtfo” so the jarring realities creates sense for the meme, even if it hits the wrong mark.
jaybone@lemmy.world 2 months ago
And weren’t they talking about getting rid of “birth right” citizenship in the US? So that might not even be how it works in the US anymore.
4am@lemm.ee 2 months ago
They can’t without a constitutional amendment. They might still try to argue that the current constitution says something it doesn’t; they might just extrajudicially say “fuck you” to it.
But the only ones talking about it are assholes and - to be clear - not a majority of Americans.
hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Doesn’t work in most countries. Being stateless isn’t very fun.
Geodad@lemm.ee 2 months ago
US citizenship comes from the mother, if born abroad. The baby would automatically be a US citizen, possibly have dual citizenship.
Takumidesh@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Most countries don’t have birthright citizenship.
LyD@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
The mother or the father, and it depends on circumstances. The rules are more strict when the father is the US citizen.
kerrigan778@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Uh, very few countries have birthright only citizenship.
placatedmayhem@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Here’s the list: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli#Unrestricted_jus_s…
If I’m counting correctly, 34 countries with unrestricted birthright citizenship, and 40 with restricted.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
That isn’t the plan you think it is. The US is an outlier in terms of granting birthright citizenship. Most countries - and particularly, most developed countries - do not do this.
Rusty@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Canada, Mexico and a lot of South America countries do this.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
And if you believe any of them are safe territory when it comes to what our batshit government might do, I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn looking for a buyer.
spoopy@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It’s actually unique to americas - older countries are less likely to do this.
ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Obviously all of those are also Nazi countries
IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Americans posting memes against American Imperialism, while simultaneously having an American-Centric worldview about the world in regards to citizenship.
Ironic.
(No offense to OP 😉)
Genius@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
tbh I had no idea Europe was so racist. Citizenship based on “blood” sounds like something out of the middle ages.
Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
Countries that use Jus Soli usually also have Jus Sanguinis. The USA for example. My friend is a US citizen despite not being born there because his mother is a US citizen.
Not having Jus Sanguinis would be downright horrible. Imagine your mother moves back to her home country and if you want to follow her you have to clear immigration hurdles.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 months ago
It’s based on paperwork, not blood.
You can just turn up, release your spawn and claim it belongs there. We’re not frogs in a pond.
uienia@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Oh wow, you are really doubling down on proving OPs point, aren’t you?
agavaa@lemmy.world 2 months ago
How so? Seems reasonable to me to have the same citizenship as my immediate family. And if you want to change it you can apply for it and get it no problem.
Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Well your kid won’t get citizenship, but you’ll be able to afford to birth them.
whome@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
Is birth citizenship that common? Won’t work here in Germany for example…
Dozzi92@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Literally zero European countries do it. It seems to be in the Americas only, and Chad and Tanzania. The concept that this is some human right apparently only applies to he US.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Yeah that’s because we had a whole thing of people claiming that people born enslaved weren’t citizens or eligible to vote
LorIps@lemmy.world 2 months ago
None in Europe
remon@ani.social 2 months ago
No need to go overseas, almost all countries with birthright citizenship are in the Americas.
AbnormalHumanBeing@lemmy.abnormalbeings.space 2 months ago
Don’t choose Germany, though, we (and a lot of nations, actually) still for some reason have citizenship-by-blood/heritage laws more or less straight out of the 19th century, not citizenship-by-birthplace laws.
BurnoutDV@lemmy.world 2 months ago
As a German myself I would like to here some arguments why citizen by the place you happen to be at birth is better?
AbnormalHumanBeing@lemmy.abnormalbeings.space 2 months ago
Basically: Resident enfranchisement. It’s weird, when people born in our country and having lived here their whole life can’t vote outside of local elections. My own father, for example, had a Dutch background, and was never allowed to vote in federal elections until his death. (Neither he nor I even spoke/speak a single phrase of Dutch)
Yes, things have gotten somewhat better and easier with applications for citizenship, but that there are hurdles like that to begin with, is a bit… weird.
aleats@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Both jus soli (citizenship by birth) and jus sanguinis (citizenship by blood) exist more for historical reasons than because one is better than the other. Both are simply a way to try and make citizenship a more clear-cut thing, because it’s as close to being a made-up thing as you can get, especially in cases such as parents having a different nationality to the child (which is even more confusing when both parents are of different nationalities).
Jus soli is more common in the Americas due to various factors, including an incentive towards immigration from richer countries during colonial times and the various movements towards emancipation of the enslaved peoples a few centuries later, but the fact remains that neither system is any more arbitrary than the other. Jus soli is often favored because it simplifies things like immigration and asylum seeking and reduces statelessness, which is still a significant issue that affects millions of people worldwide, mostly around war-torn areas.
As mentioned in another response, enfranchisement is also a very important issue that jus soli resolves, although a significant part of it is also due to other, unrelated citizenship laws that may not necessarily conflict with jus sanguinis.
LesserAbe@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Why would citizenship be based on who your parents are?
hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Citizenship by blood can be discriminating to children of immigrants. Say, you’re born in USA and spent all your life in there, would be spit on the face not considering you as a citizen
jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
No European country has unrestricted jus soli for nationality. Ireland was the last one to restrict nationality by-soil to children of long term legal residents, which is the same as Germany.
grue@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I wish. My ancestors moved to the US from Germany in the 19th or early 20th century, but I’m pretty sure I’m not eligible for German citizenship.
uienia@lemmy.world 2 months ago
No European country has it. And no neither of those laws are more specifically “19th century” than the other, considering they are both much much older than that. Perhaps you should read up on history for a bit before making uninformed blanket statements like that?
Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
The better term might be “abroad”, rather than “overseas”. Because Jus Soli is a concept that exists mostly in the Americas. So you’d better not cross over the Atlantic or Pacific sea.
Corigan@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Also airlines won’t let a pregnant woman travel at that point
0x0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Is that true? Sounds kind of discriminatory.
mEEGal@lemmy.world 2 months ago
sounds more like they don’t need a medical emergency mid flight aka 10km above the ocean
Corigan@lemm.ee 2 months ago
www.usatoday.com/story/travel/…/83846106/
Certainly you can, but a lot of hurdles to restrictions. And most obgyns won’t approve you if you have any risk factors.
Lyrl@lemm.ee 2 months ago
A quick internet search suggests 36 weeks (eight months), which is well into the third trimester, is the most common start of restrictions, and many airlines will accept a doctor’s note the woman is low risk even past that. It was a 2008 election blip when the media got ahold of Sarah Palin flying while in labor because she wanted her special-needs baby delivered by the medical team that had prepared for him, which suggests even the written restrictions in airline policy are not consistently enforced.
SuperCub@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
That seems pretty reasonable if a pregnancy is typically 40 weeks.
kiagam@lemmy.world 2 months ago
If a doctor clears you, they can’t deny it.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
It’s a good era in which to not have children. Expect a lot of forsaken children.
Also expect some coerced birthing programs such as the Leibensborn program (which was also an excuse to recruit young women as sex slaves for the Schutzstaffel ) and the offspring were supported by the state and raised by the single mothers.
This is the program that inspired the Handmaid program in Margaret Atwood’s Gilead, in A Handmaid’s Tale
And J. D. Vance is super thirsty for it, as is countless other Freedom caucus and MAGA Republican officials.
Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Counterpoint:if all leftists don’t have kids, then conservatives will end up as the entire next generation. Not to like say, definitely have kids, but anti kid propaganda only hurts us
zxqwas@lemmy.world 2 months ago
We don’t recognize birthright citizenship. You’ll have to fill in the paperwork like everyone else.
Bruncvik@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Ireland: Proof of residency for 3 out of the last 4 years before the child gets an Irish passport. It’s enough to present utility bills or paychecks for that period. I did it, and my kids only have Irish passports (even though they’d be entitled to both) until they are old enough to make their own decision in this matter. Or Trump decides to expand his golf course to the entire island.
jaschen@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Do not do this. American passports are the easiest to exchange for another countries citizenship, but one of the hardest to get.
dickalan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Typical inaccurate American meme, fucking do better. Jesus fucking Christ.
sirico@feddit.uk 2 months ago
Best we can do is free health care
MITM0@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Buddy, trust me you really shouldn’t want Americans to become citizens in your country.
WraithGear@lemmy.world 2 months ago
They would have to have birth right citizenship for that to work.
lorthirk@feddit.it 2 months ago
Not in Italy
st33lb0ne@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Here`s the fun part… you dont need an anker baby to come live in the EU. I think alot of countries here would welcome Americans who had enough of Trump
Raiderkev@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Goon holidays are the best kind of holiday
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 2 months ago
Goon‽ On it!
Kualdir@feddit.nl 2 months ago
This only works if you go to the green countries: Image
rustyfish@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Chad it is then.
Kualdir@feddit.nl 2 months ago
What a chad move
coldsideofyourpillow@lemmy.cafe 2 months ago
What if I go to the gray countries? Do I despawn?
BananaOnionJuice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
You can’t go there until the next expansion.
WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
They have deathright citizenship. You automatically become a citizen if you die in their territory.
neons@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Green: unlimited birthright citizenship Red: Limited birthright Citizenship Gray: (At least from my own country, Switzerland): No birthright citizenship
Kualdir@feddit.nl 2 months ago
Either no data or they do not have birthright citizenship
merc@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
It’s pretty telling about how much Americans know about other countries that the assumption is that Jus Soli is the norm.
Lumiluz@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
Chile would be good. It has a fairly strong passport, which I believe is stronger than the USA one in 2025 (before Trump), since it can still travel to the EU visa free.
tonytins@pawb.social 2 months ago
Onward to Canada!
WarlockoftheWoods@lemy.lol 2 months ago
You know they hate you right?
taiyang@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Might I suggest a second good reason for South American countries— when nuclear war hits the US, and it will, the southern hemisphere has a shot of surviving a nuclear winter. Billions will die but mostly in the northern hemisphere, even after accounting for fallout spread.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 months ago
What a ray of sunshine
cmbabul@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I need to tell my brother to vacation in Uruguay this winter
expatriado@lemmy.world 2 months ago
among latam countries, probably the best one to move to now
spicytuna62@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I told my wife we’re going on an extended vacation in Kenya. She sounds stoked.
alxmg@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
You got a very loose concept of “nazi”
Kualdir@feddit.nl 2 months ago
You are aware I’m talking about birthright citizenship here yes?
Ofiuco@lemmy.cafe 2 months ago
AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Didn’t they just elect a fairly liberal president?