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• coldsideofyourpillow@lemmy.cafe ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  hmmmmm, weird that the EU is so recessive in terms of birthright citizenship.

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  • neons@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    recessive? what is recessive about this?

    Your parents can take a citizenship test and you’ll automatically be a citizen as well.

    Just being born here doesn’t make you a citizen. You must at the very least be able to speak the language. Having a citizenship test makes absolute sense.

    Birthright citizenship is an absolutely stupid idea.

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    • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Birthright citizenship is an absolutely stupid idea.

      It’s no more stupid than citizenship by descent. Why should someone get citizenship just because of the citizenship of their parents? Shouldn’t they have to live in the country? Shouldn’t they speak the language? Shouldn’t they go through the country’s school system?

      Europe’s combination of freedom of movement and only Jus Sanguinis has resulted in a situation where there are lots of people with citizenship to a place they’ve never lived, and no citizenship to the place they’ve lived their entire lives.

      Really though, how citizenship should be awarded depends on if it’s an obligation or an opportunity. If a country is at war and drafting all citizens of a certain age, citizenship is an obligation the state puts on its citizens. If a country is at peace and provides a social safety net to all citizens, citizenship is an opportunity for its citizens. If the world were fair, people would be able to choose whether or not they wanted citizenship when they reached adulthood. It shouldn’t be something that happened automatically to children based either on who their parents were or on where their parents were born.

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    • TheBat@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Just being born here doesn’t make you a citizen. You must at the very least be able to speak the language.

      Ummmm are you expecting 2 weeks old infant to speak German?

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      • neons@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I expect the parents to speak german.

        But I suspect you already knew that and just wanted to be the pigeon that shits all over the chessboard.

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