I don't think they understand. We're interviewing them too.

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NineMileTower@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
How fucking dare that applicant ask what hours they will be working.

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- cm0002@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  And trying to get a feel for the workplace culture‽ Absolutely outrageous!!!
  
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- MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  or if they will get insurance through work.
  
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  - otp@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    I feel like the answer to some of these questions would/should be answered in either the job application or the job offer. I get not wanting to wait for the job offer, but a company not offering that info is a red flag imo. Personally, I’d ask before signing the official offer, and not at the job interview. I’d also probably go for more general questions.
    
    “What does a typical work day look like?”
    
    “What is the overall compensation package?” Though this one can be a bit taboo
    
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UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
One reason why finding a job is such a hassle. So many employers just want to interview people to hit a quota of “candidates reviewed” without taking any given candidate seriously.

You get a bunch of false positives in the search and waste time going through the motions with people who aren’t actually in charge of anything.

Straight out of college I had an eight hour interview process once, for an IT job that paid $25k starting. Round after round of quizes and queries that ate up my whole day.

Then I got picked up by a boutique medical IT firm a few weeks later after two calls and a 30 minute walk in, for nearly twice the salary. When I got the rejection letter from the first people six months later all I could do was laugh.

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- Sciaphobia@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  I had a place tell me I wasn’t selected almost exactly a year after I had spoken with them. I set a timer for as long as they had waited to send me that, and replied to it myself a year later.
  
  Probably no one saw it or understood, but it made me chuckle.
  
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- thesmokingman@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  My experience in engineering on both sides of the table is similar. As a hiring manager, my goal is to move as fast as possible because talented folks are going to be looking at lots of places and I need present the best option to them very quickly so I don’t lose them. I don’t fuck around with haggling or candidate pools; two, maybe three max interviews depending on the role and we’re rejecting or making the best possible offer we can. I picked this up from companies I have preferred to work at. I think massive enterprises get bogged down in their internal processes and procedures and red tape while forgetting the employee experience begins during the candidate experience. If I have to go through many rounds of interviews I can only assume working there will be miles of bureaucracy before I can do anything more than sneeze.
  
  I am personally fine with the old onsite process where you’d go to the company and have a day or half a day of interviews with not only the team but the stakeholders as well. Post-COVID that turned into a remote onsite and slowly turned into weeks of interviews which I don’t like but is more flexible for serious candidates. When I was running those, each group had specific areas to cover so we got a good sense of the boundaries of your skills. You got to meet many people you’d work with and get a sense of how things run. Always practical, though, never any of that leetcode bullshit. Also always two way. You don’t just stare at a candidate; they need to understand you to make a good decision. And, most importantly, the scale is based on seniority/pay. I’m not going to spend more than an hour or two with a junior interview because it’s a fucking junior interview.
  
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- Mirshe@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Bingo. I wasted time with a huge, multi-day, multi part interview process with a huge local manufacturing conglomerate. Multiple interview panels over a week, and finally just got rejected because the first three panels I had sat in had no allowance to reject anyone. According to a friend that works there, “it tests how persevering you are”.
  
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stoy@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
“These ARE the important questions, though based on your reaction I don’t believe you are the employer to value a skilled employee.”

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Tuxman@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
“We are all like a family here… so nobody asks questions and just do as they’re told or else they go to the naughty corner!”

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- Zementid@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Abusive Families are Families too…
  
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  - Agent641@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Dad is an alcoholic. Mum is psychologically tormenting everyone. Older half brother really wants to fuck.
    
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  - TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Just don’t go in the room alone with your uncle!
    
    Heard a similar thing too many times
    
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- nthavoc@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  That family bit is a massive red flag for everyone to be aware of. That’s how they rope you in with empty promises, broken dreams, and no raises for the next 10 to 15 years. It’s good to have a positive working culture, but if the only emphasis is the work family, skip to next job.
  
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- endeavor@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Literally how abrahamic religions work. Do not ask, just do whatever you’re told and be happy when awful things happen since god is testing you.
  
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- NutWrench@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Yup. If your employer uses the, “we’re all one big family” then you’re in for a real bad time.
  
  Because sooner or later, they’re going to make you choose between their fake “family” and your real one.
  
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PauloPelle@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
How tf is asking what hours I’ll be working, if not listed in the application, not important? Can’t work if I don’t know when I’ll actually be working.

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- PauloPelle@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  In fact looking again why are they even having to ask them questions? Most of these seem like things that should be on the listing anyway.
  
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  - thermal_shock@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    parking is often not clear in larger cities where you’d have to pay for a spot in a garage.
    
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  - orcrist@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Yes. That makes the original listing a red flag. But sometimes you take a chance and go to the interview anyway.
    
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lurklurk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Interviewing is a two way street, and the employer definitely failed this interview

That said, coming with a long list of questions of different importance without noticing that the interviewer isn’t on the same page is also a bit of a signal so the prospective employee didn’t do great either.

A lot of these questions could be condensed into “What are the benefits like?” which is a great question to ask when they ask about salary expecations which often happens early on. If they provide very little in the way of benefits, raise salary expectations.

The other questions are generally around company culture. You don’t need to ask all of them to get a good enough picture. If there are several interviews, spread them out. You can also ask them in a more open ended way like “What is the company culture like?”, “What do you like most about working here yourself?” or “What makes your best employees so good?”.

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nthavoc@lemmy.today ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
A lot of hiring managers are on power trips and forget that interviewees are not their employees. Also, the job description sucks if you have that many questions. Take it as constructive feedback if you’re a hiring manager. Hell, if you don’t like that many questions, you can even ask “Oh would you like a run down of benefits?” If you have none, you’re company is going to have a bad time hiring solid employees. Even if you’re a Dollar Store you should be ready with that rundown, unlike these idiots that expect no one to take bathroom breaks.

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HowManyNimons@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
“Stop shifting the power balance waaaah!”

What a toxic choad.

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- MonkeMischief@lemmy.today ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  What a toxic choad.
  
  Upvoted for bringing back a most classic insult. Lol
  
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MunkysUnkEnz0@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I actually tell the employer that I’m interviewing them just as well as they’re interviewing me. It’s a two-way street. They can’t handle that. Well, sorry for them. They’re not for me.

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- Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Yeah, I’m at the point in my career that you win me over I don’t win you over.
  
  It took time to get here but I’ve got no care for a shitty employer.
  
  Thankfully I’m also self employed so unless my business goes tits up I’m set
  
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  - A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Ditto and it feels so good
    
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v3ritas@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
On any jobs interviews i do, i always ask if the applicant has questions because they are interviewing us as much as we are them.

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- Ferrous@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Yup. It’s an interview. Not a viewing.
  
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- sneaky@r.nf ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Right! I don’t want you to be here if you’re going to hate it anymore than you do.
  
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benignintervention@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
I’m on the job hunt right now and I cannot stress enough how much I do not care what company leadership needs to tell themselves so they can sleep at night. All I need to know are the pay, the benefits, and if the job aligns with my interest

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- bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  If there’s a steady paycheck in it, I’ll believe anything you say
  
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henfredemars@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Good thing the session was already wrapping up. I couldn’t take a candidate employer seriously after that.

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Kitathalla@lemy.lol ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Maybe I’m crazy or out of touch, but I’ve never asked these questions… because all of them but #6 and #7 should have been in the information given out long before I even get to the interview. Two/Five should at least be addressed by someone selling the company to you during the interview.

Six could be worded a bit better, because the interviewer is already going to have to clarify with you what pressure and laid back look like to you, and seven is probably better once the negotiation starts after the offer is begun.

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- braxy29@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  keep in mind, this wording is filtered through the hr fool’s retelling.
  
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  - jodanlime@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    This is important IMO. This is not the applicant’s wording. This is how the HR drone perceived these questions, not direct quotes. We actually have no idea what the applicant asked, but we do know that this person is a clown.
    
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  - Kitathalla@lemy.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    You’re right. I didn’t think of that, but it does completely shift the lens.
    
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don@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
That interviewer should be fired immediately for not being intelligent enough to recognize more important questions when asked them. Whoever let that one into the corporation should be fired as well, also with immediate effect.

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Abnorc@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
They’re important questions but lots of these are pay and benefit related. Usually I discuss that after getting an offer, and I think that’s what companies expect too.

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- OmnislashIsACloudApp@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  eh, I’m hiring for my team right now and I have zero problem with these questions.
  
  I tend to bring similar things up myself at the end of the interview if the candidate doesn’t ask just because I don’t like wasting time down the line.
  
  we shouldn’t make people jump through a bunch of hoops to see if they fit the job itself without being willing to consider that they might not want to waste time on a work environment that won’t fit for them even if they could do the job.
  
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- Saleh@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  I get it that pay is negotiable, but i would expect benefits to be based on general policy for all employees.
  
  And in a place like the US, whether you get healthcare or not is a huge deal. If the company cannot tell you that straight away, the HR just wants to waste everyones time.
  
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  - ThomasCrappersGhost@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Pay and benefits should be in the job description.
    
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- marcos@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  No problem in anticipating them. But the OP might not be asking them to a person that is allowed to answer them.
  
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  - skizzles@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Yes but that is very simple to redirect.
    
    Unfortunately I’m not able to answer all of your questions, you would need to refer to our HR specialist for those answers.
    
    Very simple and polite. Going and posting on the Internet that they didn’t hire someone because they had 100% legitimate questions make them look like an absolute moron, or simply someone that is looking for a slave that won’t complain or inquire into anything. When the reality is, a person knowing those answers is helpful to both the company and the individual in terms of finding a good fit.
    
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TachyonTele@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Exactly what questions would this person consider “mpre important”?

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- RampageDon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  The obvious ones duh.
  
  Should I be referring to you as sir or master? When I bend over should I hold my cheeks open or will you do that? Can I lick your boots before others so I can eat more shit?
  
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  - TachyonTele@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Waitaminute. Were you at my last interview?
    
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- JoeyHarrington@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  None. None questions are important to somebody like that.
  
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  - TachyonTele@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    “When is your lunch?” is probably somewhere in there.
    
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- DrBob@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  “What’s the career trajectory in the unit?” Which is a polite way of asking what happened to the last person. Another classic is if they are looking to sustain their current performance, make small improvements, or do an overhaul.
  
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SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Nine to six? Dolly Parton is spinning on her grave

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- irish_link@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  She is not dead.
  
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  - SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Made you look.
    
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- tacosanonymous@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Gotta get that siesta, comrade.
  
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  - SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    If it’s while I’m working, it’s on their time.
    
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sumguyonline@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Toxic bosses need not post job offers. I would rather work at a McDonald’s with a good mgmt team, than a small company with hiring expectations like this. I also refuse to shop at your business if you see your employees this way.

Employers; answer the damn questions, then move on, what’s important to you isn’t going to matter to your job candidate, what’s important to them is earning an honest days pay that will cover their expenses, and their responsibilities, like making sure to fulfill their requirements to their previous employer which is something you want them to do for you when they leave.

If you can’t pay enough that YOU could cover rent and a car payment off the pay, then you shouldn’t be hiring, and if you can’t treat your employees, and job candidates with respect, then you deserve to be a job candidate yourself instead of a business owner.
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- CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  
  Toxic bosses need not post job offers. I would rather work at a McDonald’s…
  
  Oh you sweet summer child…
  
  As someone who spent too many years in fast food the bosses there are extremely toxic, largely due to the fact that it is one of the easiest places to find some nieve replacement for the person who doesn’t want to be on call 24/7 and work unpaid overtime.
  
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  - ryathal@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    They did say with competent management, which may be a fictional state.
    
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DrBob@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Unpopular opinion: the candidate shouldn’t have asked any of those questions. Those are offer negotiations because you can trade off salary for parking etc. That first I review is a chance to be strategic and ask about growth in the department or development pathways/programs. I was always told that first you get the ring, then you negotiate the prenup.

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- spankmonkey@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  It doesn’t say this is a first interview.
  
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  - DrBob@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Good point. On a callback I’d be all about expectations and details. That having been said I’m changing jobs this month and I still don’t know if there is a bike cage or showers at the the new place. But it wasn’t part of my decision criteria so I’ll find out when I start
    
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- TheDoozer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Some of them maybe, but asking the working hours, the health insurance, and whether the company will wait or buy out the two months might be complete deal-breakers, and saves both sides time by asking up front (and for the first two, should have been offered up front prior to the interview, to prevent wasted time).
  
  It’s like being offended if, on a first date, one person asks if the other ever wants to have kids. If you know the long term potential is dependent on something, getting that question out there up front saves both parties, and anybody getting upset over it is scamming (getting them invested before being willing to discuss it). Same as not taking about general (not specific) payscale for the position, medical coverage, hours, or whatever until the second or third interview.
  
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randon31415@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I can kind of see the logic here. People think they interview the top three candidates and, if so, the interviewees have a high chance of actually getting hired. These would then be appropriate questions in that scenario.

However, if they are interviewing 100 candidates in 4 hours then the appropriate place to find this info for the interviewee is the job posting. The hiring manager doesn’t have time to answer 20 questions from 100 candidates and moreover if the information is on the job posting, then they either didn’t read it or are basically asking if the interviewer is a liar to their face. Now, if it isn’t on the job posting, well that is the person who posted it’s fault and they should expect these questions to be asked OVER and OVER.

If it is general questions like 6 or 7 that normally doesn’t appear on job posting, the appropriate time to ask those questions (to a busy interviewer) is when a job offer is made to the interviewee.

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- Eezyville@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  If the interviewer doesn’t have time to answer questions then they shouldn’t ask the interviewee if they had any questions.
  
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- holo@lemmy.wtf ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  The interview is a two way conversation. If the employer can’t handle questions, then it is too mismanaged to be a viable work option.
  
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TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
These are questions for after receiving an offer.

The questions you should ask now would be along the lines of management style, corporate culture, and team dynamics. It’s the first few dates, not a marriage proposal.

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- stevedice@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  lol no. If a company can’t answer what my work hours are gonna be before we even have the first interview, I’m not wasting my time.
  
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- scutiger@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  I disagree. They’re important for me to know if I want to keep pursuing this job opportunity or if I should stop wasting our time. I don’t want to do a second or third interview only to find out afterwards about all these factors. I could be out there interviewing for other jobs in the meantime, not in a second interview at this shitty company that doesn’t want to tell me how shitty it is until they’ve offered e the job.
  
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  - TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    I don’t see how answering any of these question in s straight forward and honest way would reveal if this company is shitty or not. Their ability to provide free parking is far an indicator of quality.
    
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