That’s what reddit banned, it’s so innocuous.
Hey is Sharing Luigi’s Manifesto on Social Media Actually "Glorifying Violence"? Because Reddit Said So 😭
Submitted 5 weeks ago by alphanerd4@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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AlphaOmega@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
rumba@lemmy.zip 5 weeks ago
They didn’t ban it because it was dangerous or violent, They banned it because the anti-corporate and spez is a musk wanna be
spector@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
Thiel is one of reddits earliest investors. spez is a Thiel boy.
This whole time I can’t believe how reddit managed to hold up a facade of being a cool progressive college student platform. They pulled the wool over everyone’s eyes. It’s as if they put lipstick on /pol/ and /b/. And everyone was like, alright a hip liberal platform. Sure if you ignore the iceberg of right wing bootlicking shit beneath the surface of the default subreddits.
Draegur@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
barbara streissand has taught them nothing apparently
jonne@infosec.pub 5 weeks ago
It’s pretty shitty as far as manifestos go.
KillingAndKindess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
I mean, he claims responsibility, confirmed the existing evidence, then states his motives which aren’t hard to understand for even those out of the loop. I think the brevity and simple reasoning speak volumes louder than some maniacs scribblings found in a cabin. The fact that even those considered Semliterate would be able to grasp the bulk of his message was likely intentional.
Its actually not shitty at all, presuming his purpose was to inspire a shift in public discourse around the topic.
If he wanted it to be the centerpiece of a dramatic documentary miniseries, then yes, it was shitty.
scarabic@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
There are like 50 sentences of basic reality in there, but I suspect that a lot of the moderation challenge comes from one small phrase dropped into the middle: “it had to be done.”
With the inclusion of that, the 50 sentences of reality are recast as not just true but a valid justification for murder, and that’s the rub.
IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
Yes it is. So what. The rich glorifies violence against the poor.
The leader of the country once said: “When the looting starts, the shooting starts”
So if its apparantly okay to use violence against alledged thieves (which is not okay btw, stealing should never equate a death sentence), then it must be okay to use violence against mass murderer CEOs.
“When the denying starts, the deposing starts” would be my rebuttal to that phase the ex-president said. Violence begets violence.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Points for honesty, at least.
Ziglin@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
It certainly doesn’t state it explicitly. It just says that the killer was the “first to face it” that way that implies that there is a possibility for more but the way I understood it was that current measures being taken aren’t enough, that doesn’t mean that other people wanting to take action should do so violently.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
So if its apparantly okay to use violence against alledged thieves (which is not okay btw, stealing should never equate a death sentence), then it must be okay to use violence against mass murderer CEOs.
The reason violence against “looters” is permitted stems from their violation of the principles of the American caste system
Contrary to popular belief, you are not allowed to pull yourself up by your own bootstraps. You are only allowed to help yourself when you’ve received lending permission from a state recognized philanthropic sponsor. Otherwise, you are supposed to quietly drown in your own filth, where it isn’t inconvenient for anyone higher on the totem pole than you.
The caste system is sacred. Brian Thompson earned his position. Luigi Mangione deserved his miserable fate.
islands@lemmy.cafe 5 weeks ago
When the looting starts, the shooting starts
That was some fascist cop in Miami in the 60’s. Not the leader of any country.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
npr.org/…/the-history-behind-when-the-looting-sta…
President Trump told reporters Friday evening that he didn’t know the racially charged history behind the phrase “when the looting starts, the shooting starts.” Trump tweeted the phrase Friday morning in reference to the clashes between protesters and police in Minneapolis following George Floyd’s death.
desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
most CEOs don’t murder, even the health insurance ones simply are committing theft analogs, simply not funding healthcare, not preventing those than can independently afford it from accessing it.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
If sharing Luigi’s manifesto is glorifying violence then so is sharing the Declaration of Independence.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
If only Thomas Jefferson had somehow managed to cap a member of English Royalty. Instead, then man crossed the pond to suck up to Louis XVI, shortly before the man went full Ropespierre’s Necktie.
wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government and provide new guards for their future security.
Matombo@feddit.org 5 weeks ago
note that reddit didn’t have a problem with “orks must die jokes” or people celebrating war fotage as long as they celebrate the right peoples deaths
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Drone kill footage is like the reciepts of investment, if not the product itself.
taanegl@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
Reddit gargles fascist schlong.
Nuff said.
letsgo@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Of course not, it’s just Spez sucking up to the billionaires in the hope that one of them will be dumb enough to toss him a few million for his shitpile.
TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 5 weeks ago
For a website with a section called
nsfl and fight porn reddit takes a weird stance on manifestos.
Kevnyon@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
You mean the website that didn’t ban creepshots until MSM reported on it? That website?
nomous@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
The jailbait subreddit was regularly on the front page and openly joked about for years, Spez was even a mod for a bit “as a joke” until Anderson Cooper did a story about it.
peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 5 weeks ago
Fight porn is not what I was hoping for, yet not exactly disappointed in the result.
GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Stop using Reddit
pachrist@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
No, it’s not.
It’s an acknowledgement that there’s a massive problem.
These companies are literally willing to bankrupt you to death. Their behavior is inexcusable. They profiteer off of human suffering.
We live in a country founded by people who were unhappy with the status quo and were willing to pick up a gun to change things. We shouldn’t act surprised that it still happens. I don’t think we should celebrate it, because it’s sad that this is happening in the first place, that someone feels they need to do this. This problem is solvable, and it can be solved civilly, or it will be solved uncivilly.
Delphia@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Thats exactly how I feel “Its sad that this is looking like the solution”
Like, it had to come to this? You couldnt just set up your little racket and keep the golden goose fat and happy? Or atleast adequately provided for and left alone?
Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
We’re are explicitly given the right to bear arms as a check to tyrannical governance.
Our government outsourced their tyranny to corporations.
Corporations should be well aware of strings being attached.
gvasco@discuss.tchncs.de 5 weeks ago
Agreed! Sad that all the debt and death these companies allow is ignored in these discussions.
TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
See, then you are giving a murderer’s message publicity. As opposed to UnitedHealthcare, responsible for far more many deaths, having the ability to have as much publicity and as many lobbyists as they want.
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 5 weeks ago
Alleged murderer.
I think he is more than just the (relatively trivial) allegations against him.
swordgeek@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
He has rallied support for massively reforming the American Healthcare system…
I would disagree with this. Nobody is talking about health care reform. People are talking about destroying an economic system that creates billionaires, and also about destroying the billionaires themselves. This hasn’t been a call for reform, it’s a call to arms.
The scariest thing is that people are beginning to accept that the system has always been rigged, and there is no other way to fix it.
intensely_human@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Robert Kennedy also did quite a bit of rallying on that front. Kennedy’s why I voted for Trump.
1984@lemmy.today 5 weeks ago
I’ve definently noticed how more and more things are being disallowed to talk about on social media. It’s just a matter of which platforms has which rules, but the rules are also changing as more and more people are complaining about reading things they don’t agree with.
I suspect we will just discuss memes in the future.
Etterra@discuss.online 5 weeks ago
That’s because America is the land of the free to shut up and do what you’re told, or else.
schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 5 weeks ago
the rules are also changing as more and more people are complaining about reading things they don’t agree with
which is why people need to start understanding that moderation is different from censorship
spector@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
I had the realization about this distinction several years ago regarding reddit. Over the years of attrition by various controversies, reddit no longer has moderators. They’ve all left. There are moderators in name but they do not moderate.
Many set the bots to do bot things and then fuck right off. To be fair moderating global scale messageboard is kind of an impossible task. Much less to do it for free. Can’t fault the the old school internet moderators for leaving.
On another note. There’s no way to tiptoe around the issue of intelligence. The baseline level of discourse just isn’t capable of hard topics as it used to be. People seem to like the social drama that arises out of lack of moderation. That biases towards the lowest common denominators. It’s like a modern day Jerry Springer shock jock entertainment. But live and interactive! Social media users seem to revel in it. Bread and circuses…
Bluetreefrog@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Interesting. Might be cool if Lemmy allowed mods to apply a NSFW tag that only a mod our admin could remove.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 5 weeks ago
No, they have to put fear in your bones and make examples out of you.
WoodScientist@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
We used to make fun of Chinese social media censorship. Soon sharing images of Nintendo’s Luigi will be as censored as sharing images of Winnie the Pooh in China.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
If the feds don’t get you, Nintendo’s legal team will.
Rooty@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Constent manufacturing factory manufactures consent, millions shocked.
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 5 weeks ago
There’s a book called Manufacturing Consent for those interested.
Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 5 weeks ago
Noam Chomsky. If you studied anything related to linguistics or even dabbled into that field, you will know the name.
SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
I learned about this from a System of a Down rabbit hole :)
peregrin5@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Hi I’m new to Lemmy since Reddit decided to permaban me due to support I showed for Luigi. Good riddance to be honest. I should have fully quit when they shut down Apollo but didn’t know Lemmy existed.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
Just keep in mind that if you are not satisfied with how your particular insrance is running, you don’t have to stop using lemmy like you did with reddit. You can switch to a different instance and keep on chilling!
No more switching services! Gotta love this place.
PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
To expand on this: You can migrate accounts fairly easily. You can export your subscribed communities, and import them into your new account. So the only real thing you’re losing is your post history, but even that is seen as a bonus by many users who are looking to burn their old account.
Gemini24601@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Anyone with half a brain can see that it isn’t “glorifying” violence, it’s merely giving an explanation of why Luigi did what he did. Glorification would play more into pathos, but the manifesto is mostly ethos
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
the most dangerous thing to a government isn’t the people. it’s not the external forces.
it’s an idea so relatable to the public that the government loses containment of it and it spreads like fire in a grainery.
ramsorge@discuss.online 5 weeks ago
I mean, lots of .world communities will censor it too, and they’re still FEDerated.
Jamablaya@lemmy.today 5 weeks ago
I literally found my way here because of lemmy.world bullshit. No, discussing jury nullification isn’t inciting to violence.
Blaze@sopuli.xyz 5 weeks ago
A mod said that the manifesto would be allowed
If it’s confirmed, I don’t see why not. Depends on the community, of course. I’m sure !lemmybewholesome would remove it.
People can try. If it gets removed, report it on !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Blaze@sopuli.xyz 5 weeks ago
A mod said that the manifesto would be allowed
If it’s confirmed, I don’t see why not. Depends on the community, of course. I’m sure !lemmybewholesome would remove it.
People can try. If it gets removed, report it on !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com
selokichtli@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
I’ve always thought well educated people have a great potential to be dangerous and achieve transcendental goals if organized. A group of engineers, of chemists, physicists, biologists, computer scientists after specific goals may be formidable enemies if they wanted. The 0.01%, the dirty rich, should now be aware.
trolololol@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I think I saw a report many years past that engineers make a bigger than expected proportion of radicalized people, in the context of middle east insurgencies.
peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 5 weeks ago
Engineers tend to be less accepting of the “debate and theory” part of science and more of the “analyze and act” part.
As in, the debate is stupid, the theory is that the rich have fucked us all, now let’s see what we can do immediately to make it work.
Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Fuck Reddit.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
Reddit said so because it’s CEO is known to be a greedy bastard who threw everything and everyone Bunder the bus for money. Luigi would not approve
Bronzebeard@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Reddit also thinks appealing a ridiculous van is harassment, so not exactly the brightest bulbs over there.
zkfcfbzr@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
They really couldn’t figure out that that first [indecipherable] is “fourth”?
frog_brawler@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Glorifying violence is A-Ok when the government awards people the Medal of Honor.
Reddit needs to come up with a more accurate excuse for their censorship.
Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
Would it’s get me banned to reply with “I love reading about CEOs getting killed, and I want more of them to die”?
ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
No … and stop following anything that stupid website says.
Kalysta@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
No. It’s just Reddit’s thought police.
sparrowstimulus@r.nf 5 weeks ago
In this case, I think of more like Guy Fawkes……there is clearly a problem with the us death care system. And we are right to be angry with these companies that profiteer on our sickness and in some cases that result in people dying from delayed or denied care. Is is right to murder someone? No, of course not. I think the question to ask is who is the real murderer?
pfr@lemmy.sdf.org 5 weeks ago
Not much of a Manifesto…, that’s just a Note my dudes.
Maggoty@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Yes it is. It’s the same reason we don’t share school shooter manifestos.
The only question here is do you agree with this violence? If you do then carry on.
TokenEffort@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Reddit is a free advertising platform. I literally just now use it to secretly advertise side hustles.
DankDingleberry@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
sharing information is important. whether or not you are glorifying it depends on context.
ellypony@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
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ramsorge@discuss.online 5 weeks ago
Yeah they keep calling him radicalized. I just keep thinking this is a normal reaction and that corporate America and its shills are the radical ones.
Jamablaya@lemmy.today 5 weeks ago
“Would you shoot literal hitler in the back?” “Fuck yeah, bud” “Who radicalized you, everything that man did was legal”
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I’ve read the manifesto. I have the same thoughts as you. I wonder with all these people calling him radical if maybe there’s a fake manifesto out there. Something created JUST to make him sound crazy? That would explain the wildly different views of him being radical.
Remember, one month ago, the shooting hadn’t happened yet. Nobody knew Luigis name or face. So if you go from not knowing he exists, to seeing him murder a guy, and then get told he has plans for domination, and kill all the people…it would be logical to understand why someone would call that perspective radicalized.
That’s not what he is, or what he wrote, but if you read a fake manifesto, believed it to be real, that would explain people saying that.
Otherwise, I’m confused where “radicalized” comes from.
duplexsystem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
Sadly reasonable conclusions based on reality is pretty based.
SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 5 weeks ago
Oh no, reality is leaking into the media! We must stop this unapproved narrative!
halykthered@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
Read that in his voice, well done.