If you’ve heard of Chapo Trap House that’s them. If not, most of those kids/idiots/trolls are the type of terminally online fake leftists that give other leftist a bad image in general. They were so ridiculous Reddit got tired of their shit and banned them a couple years back.
Is it me or is everyone in hexbear insane?
Submitted 8 months ago by EABOD25@lemm.ee to [deleted]
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Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
SirDerpy@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Seeing the ban coming, they financed and suffered alpha and beta of the Lemmy platform we all enjoy. Then, they chose to become the most GLBTQ+ friendly destination on the internet.
As it’s always been, they cope with the horrible events with satirical, sarcastic humor. And, in the middle of that will be a well-reasoned, nuanced, and quite serious post.
But, perhaps the part I love most is the struggle sessions. The entire community will heavily focus on a current topic, then hash it out with good faith discussion.
Their shit isn’t convenient or comfortable. It’s not easy to understand. And, I ficking love them for it.
GBU_28@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Their supposed support of LGBTQ+ is all for naught when they openly fawn after Stalin
14th_cylon@lemm.ee 8 months ago
As it’s always been, they cope with the horrible events with satirical, sarcastic humor. And, in the middle of that will be a well-reasoned, nuanced, and quite serious post.
Oh yes, they are so funny, misunderstood, thoughtful and nuanced thinkers.
F them and f you for defending them.
This ~1800 comment thread about whether lemm.ee should defederate with them is all you need for some eye opening, in case anyone needs that.
Above screenshot is from said thread.
The comrade in it actually suggests that there is a time and place for such rhetoric, it is just not right here, right now. you have to think politically and wait for your moment!
mathemachristian@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Yeah they kept being able to back the most ridiculous claims and then suddenly I was like “oh no they were right all along” and got radicalized 🤷
would_be_appreciated@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
But, perhaps the part I like most is the struggle sessions. The entire community will heavily focus on a current topic, then hash it out with good faith discussion.
I’ve never seen this - not just from that instance, but literally anywhere on the internet, even back in the forum or bb days. But I’ve been looking for something like that for years, and I’d be interested. Do you know of any specific examples of this happening?
TraitorToAmerica@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
i don’t think they really helped with the financing of lemmy, although their coders did/do make many valuable contributions to lemmy’s code base. out of curiosity, do you have an account on another instance? I’m surprised to see a sympathetic comment like this from an account on an instance that has them defederated
FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
As it’s always been, they cope with the horrible events with satirical, sarcastic humor. And, in the middle of that will be a well-reasoned, nuanced, and quite serious post.
It’s just tankie 4chan
fern@lemmy.autism.place 8 months ago
They were banned when reddit cracked down on any leftist thought, not because they were especially bad from what I saw.
Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
They were banned around the same time as The Donald because everyone was tired of the shit both groups were doing.
Nemo@slrpnk.net 8 months ago
is everyone
in hexbearinsane?Yes.
Badeendje@lemmy.world 8 months ago
All animals are equal… But some more equal than others.
Nomecks@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
8 billion stupid monkeys
JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Seconded
Source: am stupid monke
WatDabney@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
Hexbear is sort of like a village of eldritch abomination worshippers in a Lovecraftian horror story - isolated, insular, entirely wrapped up in their own esoteric rituals and ideas and language, and immediately and collectively hostile to outsiders.
nomous@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Wow, this is such an accurate description of so many online communities that have come and gone over the years, nicely done.
Saint_La_Croix_Crosse@midwest.social 8 months ago
I always joke that right-wing politics is all projection. But here we are with the cult of capital being dismissive to non-believers
Hadriscus@lemm.ee 8 months ago
They also both worship Cthu… I mean, Stalin
algorithmae@lemmy.sdf.org 8 months ago
FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
And increasingly lemmy.ml, sadly
SARGE@startrek.website 8 months ago
They’re getting there, but so far it’s only a few users that I’ve noticed.
One guy seems to be following me around to attempt mockery.
They’re very much getting to “everyone who isn’t farther left than me is a right-wing nazi” mentality.
Steve@startrek.website 8 months ago
Valmond@lemmy.world 8 months ago
lemmy.blahaj.zone? Really?
I mean the other two are authorian apologist idiot instances but blahaj?
skooma_king@lemm.ee 8 months ago
How are you blocking full instances? I’ve been playing wack-a-mole blocking communities. I’m using Voyager on iOS, if that matters.
samus12345@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Th ability to do so was added a while back.
AnActOfCreation@programming.dev 8 months ago
YeetPics@mander.xyz 8 months ago
Lmao, they sure are insane. But if you listen closely they will tell you that sanity is a western psyop and you should enjoy the simple truths of life, like shitting in your own pants and bragging online.
EABOD25@lemm.ee 8 months ago
I got IBS so I guess I already have an advantage in that regard
stoly@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Oh so you have also failed the game of “fart or not?”
PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Just like they claimed NATO had biolabs on the Ukraine / Russian border: it’s all a conspiracy to destroy poor mother Russia!
lvxferre@mander.xyz 8 months ago
Childish? Kinda. Insane? No.
There are three relevant things to say about hexbear.
1. It is not a serious instance. Or at least not completely serious; they’re mostly there for memes, funposting, “I know that feel” etc.
So they’re less like the meeting room of a communist party than like the bar where those communists hang out and drink beer, after the meeting is over.
I feel like this is often misinterpreted, as HB users say something that is mostly a taunt and others interpret as actual argumentation. And it also tends to attract younger users, who… well, behave like young people?
2. Even if not a serious instance, they’re serious about their views. Your typical HB user is communist, antifa, vegan, anti-cop, and interprets things in a very specific way. They’re rather transparent about it.
And, because because of #1, they aren’t really willing to spend their time entertaining anyone’s counterpoints. It’ll be interpreted as sealioning or similar.
3. Hexbear was already its own thing before federation. As such it developed social norms that often conflict with the norms typically found in the rest of the Threadiverse (Lemmy, Mbin, Piefed etc.)
For example, even if Lemmy as a whole is prone to intrusive political discussions, HB users tend to do it far more. Because they’re used to an environment where this is typically taken as OK.
When it comes to dealing with HB users here, my advice is the exact same as dealing with other users:
- if you don’t like what someone is saying (because it’s idiotic, obstrusive, or whatever), block the person for some peace of mind.
- if you’re consistently uninterested on the content coming from an instance, block the instance.
archomrade@midwest.social 8 months ago
This is the most reasonable response.
A lot of people here have long since made up their mind about hexbear based both on repeated meta posting on the topic and possibly a bad experience or two with them on a topic they assumed was uncontested but is a landmine topic for communists of a particular bent
I’ve personally never had a bad experience with hexbears, possibly because I’m more empathetic to their perspective, but more likely because I know when it’s time to disengage. There are users on lemmy who feel strongly about a certain topic that’s abrasive to hexbear users and dig in their heels when jeered at (or maybe feel a personal responsibility to stand them down) and are usually the users here who have the most complaints, because the standard reaction from hexbear users is irreverence (both the users and the mods).
Unlike a lot of liberals coming from reddit, communists often don’t have delusions about the neutrality of moderation and so they’ll ban you on a whim if they think you’re there to stir shit. They use the ban hammer judiciously even with users on their own instance. That’s often the biggest complaint both with hexbear and with lemmy.ml.
TraitorToAmerica@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Unlike a lot of liberals coming from reddit, communists often don’t have delusions about the neutrality of moderation and so they’ll ban you on a whim if they think you’re there to stir shit.
really well articulated. I feel bad for well meaning people, but so often they don’t realize it comes across as the exact same kind of bad faith trolling that communist online groups have to deal with and so mods and users have little patience for it if it’s not explicitly a thread for that kind of conversation.
lvxferre@mander.xyz 8 months ago
To be fair I’ve had a few bad experiences with Hexbears, but I think that most of them boil down to “unfunny guy interacting with unserious kids”. But since I’m often lurking there in my political account, I feel like my opinion about them is a bit less ungrounded than this whole “Hexbear bad! EDIT WOW THANKS FOR THE GOLD KIND STRANGER!” echo chamber.
(I also have a few bones to pick with .ml [the people in charge, not the whole instance], but they don’t apply to LG or HB, it’s a matter of transparency.)
Pandantic@midwest.social 8 months ago
Thank you for saying this in a more detailed way than I have been. This is exactly right. They built their own leftist haven and became a whole culture of their own, and then became federated. There is bound to be an initial clash, but honestly I think most of the people who hate on them never gave them a chance. All they saw were the shitposts and the in-jokes and you closed the door.
When it comes to dealing with HB users here, my advice is the exact same as dealing with other users
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if you don’t like what someone is saying (because it’s idiotic, obstrusive, or whatever), block the person for some peace of mind.
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if you’re consistently uninterested on the content coming from an instance, block the instance.
I see a lot of leftists (and leaning leftists), even on .world, who would be better off interacting with the users there (maybe blocking the shitposting comms). And outside of those most-seen comms (chapotraphouse and dunk_tank), there is genuine conversation and less shit talking and in-jokes. I believe, with more instances coming in that are federated with them (mine, .ml, and lem.ee? are a couple), some of the Hex-natives are understanding how to interact with curious left-leaning people with unintentionally wrong-headed ideas.
Downvote me all you want, I stand by Hexbear. o7
expr@programming.dev 8 months ago
Answer me this: are they or are they not consistently in support of Russia/China? Because I’ve seen it a lot from them (and blocked the instance soon after joining Lemmy when I noticed the pattern).
Is it just some big joke that went over my head?
TraitorToAmerica@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
I’m curious about this, do you hold the same opinion about lemmygrad?
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marcos@lemmy.world 8 months ago
antifa
Yeah, the famous antifa-tankers. Every single person I’ve ever seen that identifies as antifa was a tanker. Other people run away from that label.
lvxferre@mander.xyz 8 months ago
I really hate that I need to point this out, because I feel like it will derail the discussion from Hexbear to fascism:
“Antifa” boils down to “people who actively oppose fascism”, instead of either supporting it or sitting on their hands while doing jack shit.
BakerBagel@midwest.social 8 months ago
Maybe you’re telling on yourself by announcing your disdain for antifascists
HelixDab2@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Most antifa groups are anarchist collectives. So I’m not sure where you’re seeing this, unless it’s solely from people that are terminally online.
Klear@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Interestingly all those points all applied to The_Donald as well.
Pili@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Ah yes, famously communist, antifa, vegan, anti-cop the_donald.
lvxferre@mander.xyz 8 months ago
I think that this is a red herring.
Even if the first two points apply (do they? I don’t think so, but I’m not going to dispute it*), the problem with T_D was neither, it was users there actively promoting hate against marginalised groups.
And, while you can complain a thousand things about Hexbear, they are not promoting hate against marginalised groups. On the contrary - if they even smell that you might be potentially promoting it, they’ll ban you under a “better safe than sorry” approach.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
To be clear, this is coming from you getting banned for being a debate-pervert after you claimed Putin invaded Ukraine to “reinstate the USSR” as a secret Commie and refused to take a pro-Palestinian stance, equivilating Palestinian resistance with a century of settler-colonial genocide.
I think it’s a bit terminally online to run away to a defederated instance to lick your wounds, rather than reflect on why being a debatebro is unhealthy.
TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 8 months ago
equivilating
I think the word you’re looking for is “equating.”
“Equivilating” is not a word.
“Equivocating” is, but it means to deceive without lying by creatively telling the truth, to seem you’re saying one thing while really saying something else. This is an art form if you play a lawful good face character and your DM says you aren’t allowed to lie.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Just woke up, corrected, haha. Thanks!
SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
This is an art form if you play a lawful good face character and your DM says you aren’t allowed to lie.
This is the real pro tip.
TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 8 months ago
The irony of being banned for being a “debatebro” in fucking hexbear of all places, where “debatebro” is just the zeitgeist.
Call it what it is, he like most others was banned for having differing beliefs than the chosen narrative there.
chaogomu@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Everyone knows Putin invaded Ukraine because he’s a dumbass dictator who started to believe his own propaganda. It’s the dictator trap. Putin surrounded himself with backstabbing yes men by literally killing anyone who wasn’t.
As to Palestinian resistance. I don’t think Hamas is a good resistance movement. For a whole host of reasons. Which is why the Israeli government has been propping them up since the 80s.
An unsympathetic resistance movement can do more to damage a cause than not having a movement at all.
From now until the ethnic cleansing is complete, Israel will call any resistance movement Hamas, regardless of their actual name or beliefs. I’m not sure how to fight that… I don’t think anyone really knows beyond screaming the truth everywhere we can.
It didn’t work in the 1920s in Europe. But maybe with the Internet… Likely not though.
OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 8 months ago
Please tell me what a debate bro is for the people who don’t know the terminology
scoobford@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Many of them, yes. They’re among the most radical of the leftist instances, which means that they attract a lot of propagandists and tankies. They have some perfectly reasonable people too, but you know, vocal minority. Its the main thing most people notice about those instances.
Many people block hexbear, Lemmy.ml, and lemmygrad for these reasons.
PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 8 months ago
I have yet to see any reasonableness from hexbear.
Hell, I had a few members tell me that I was part of the evil capitalist elite because I had a job.
skeezix@lemmy.world 8 months ago
What is hexbear a lemmy instance? What is a ‘tankie’?
lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 8 months ago
My definition of left and theirs are very different.
foxontherocks@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Tankie is such a weird thing to call these communists. They are way way less violent than liberals and conservatives are. They don’t even support any on going genocides like the others do.
Strayce@lemmy.sdf.org 8 months ago
Not really. They have a lot of bits and in-jokes which are going to seem incomprehensible to anyone from the outside, but most of them are pretty chill if you engage in good faith. It’s like a lot of tech communities; if you don’t do your research and ask intelligent questions, you’re likely to get told to RTFM.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
Yeah it’s just like that… except that they advocate for the murder and starvation of countless people as a step in a process towards a utopia that cannot exist.
But yeah just a bunch of fun people with inside jokes
hashferret@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Red Team Field Manual? /s
Blizzard@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
You are correct. Do your mental health a favour and block that instance along with lemmygrad.
hark@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Do you have any examples of this? Since world is defederated from that instance, I only end up visiting it when people like you come in and talk about how absolutely crazy it is over there, so occasionally I’ll take a curious peek. This time I see… a post about Indigenous rights, a post criticizing capitalism, a post dunking on musk, a post about FOSS… when do I start seeing the crazy?
PenisDuckCuck9001@lemmynsfw.com 8 months ago
I’m on lemmynsfw because I like to argue about how shitty society is between wanks
Deinonychusanti@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Heavily scratched liberal gets banned from hexbear for being a debate pervert and trying to start fights, immediately proceeds to call everyone there mentally ill
stoly@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yes. Block the community and move on.
Arelin@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Damn it’s nice to see the comments are surprisingly even split between hating on it and actually being reasonable. Quite a difference from when redditors first moved in here last year.
I guess the more people talk about it, the more people actually visit it for themselves and form their own opinions.
burgersc12@mander.xyz 8 months ago
Obviously you can’t lump them all into one category, but the majority of them seem to be willing to cause chaos on other instances for a laugh. Doesn’t sit right with me, so i blocked the instance, as well as some other annying ones
zante@lemmy.wtf 8 months ago
Safe space for teens cos playing as communists, where they can be nasty to outsiders.
I like the politics, but it’s filled with truly obnoxious children try to out-communist each other
the philosopher Bertrand Russell warned of the dangers of communisms tendency to become a religious cult and he was right.
archchan@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
I was going to block them and lemmygrad at first but decided not to and instead tried to understand what all these people were about.
Now I’m a communist, have a hammer and sickle, live in China, and my favorite color is red. Death to America comrades! Get fucked libs /s
Seriously though, they’re not anymore insane than us. Maybe just a bunch of drunken commies at a bar who don’t really bother to distance themselves from the subjects of a century of red scare propaganda. In any case, it’s worth keeping an open mind and engaging in good faith.
Though as leftist as I personally am and have become in time, I’m not going to call anyone comrade or start using hammer and sickle imagery except in the context of history lol. Libs can still get fucked though.
TerkErJerbs@lemm.ee 8 months ago
idk, I’ve seen all the hype around hexbear users being obnoxious around Lemmy (including our own instance debating blocking the instance, followed by several of their members brigading the thread true to form)… but I’ve explored the communities on the instance itself and even subscribed to some of them like mutual aid, gaming etc, and those that I’m watching are actually just normal people doing normal things if more left than some other similar groups. In my experience it isn’t “all” hexbear users, because that would be a dumb generalization.
There are some assholes on that instance to be sure. Show me one that this isn’t true of. I’m glad our instance didn’t block them because I now get to decide for myself. I block communities and/or users if they’re a problem for me. I think that’s a good way.
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Most of the Lemmy.World users and mods are actively advocating to vote for Genocide, so i understand that Hexbear is a culture shock.
Alsephina@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Congratulations OP, this post made it to Hexbear! 🎉
m_f@midwest.social 8 months ago
It’s not just you. Like many people that get sucked into cults, you don’t want to directly engage with them. Just nicely encourage them to deprogram themselves, and focus on maturing and becoming an adult. They really don’t like get called out like that, based on my interactions with them.
b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
Nope. They seem pretty sane and rational in comparison to places like Reddit, Lemmy.world, Twitter, 4chan, Facebook, etc.
PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I was bullied for off Lemmy.One by the hexbear mods who sent hexbear users my way to harass me…
All for (while I’m still a raging communist) not being a pro authoritarian communist.
OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 8 months ago
I don’t mind communism. I do mind advocating for Russia, in a war where they are clearly the aggressor, and harassing then moving to harass the same left wing for not being as radical or as pro-russian and deluding themselves with false beliefs that they are alone and no one is left wing other than them
arefx@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Yes they are insane/extremists
Kaboom@reddthat.com 8 months ago
Pretty much, yeah, they’re insane. They’re also a very good reminder to go outside and talk to people outside your echo chamber regularly
Allero@lemmy.today 8 months ago
“HB enthusiasts coming here and trying to call me out achieves nothing besides proving my point”
Without taking any sides, saying some group is insane and then saying that them lashing back “proves your point” is very, very stupid.
Like, of course they will, what else do you expect them to do? Sit and agree?
Blackmist@feddit.uk 8 months ago
Hates stuff the west does.
Loves stuff China and Russia do.
It’s the same stuff.
ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Thank god for hexbear and lemmygrad though. Imagine the effort needed to block them all individually if spread over all the other instances.
samus12345@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yeah, it’s actually helpful to have safe spaces for hateful assholes so they can be corralled away.
Steve@startrek.website 8 months ago
Its a safe space for them to be… away from me
InternetUser2012@lemmy.today 8 months ago
They still get loose and troll .world while the mods there give them free reign and ban you if you report them for trolling. You can’t call them trolls, but they can call you a troll.
mke@lemmy.world 8 months ago
On the other hand, an isolated community can also become a nasty brewing pot, reinforcing harmful behaviors and even intensifying them over time.
I don’t think calling them safe spaces for hateful assholes is accurate, but I understand frustrations with them.
YeetPics@mander.xyz 8 months ago
If you think yogthos isn’t the main account of return2ozma you’re gonna have a bad time.
InternetUser2012@lemmy.today 8 months ago
fuck that guy.
imaqtpie@lemmy.myserv.one 8 months ago
Really? Damn that’s crazy.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 8 months ago
Before instance blocking was a thing I blocked individual trolls wheb I saw them and after about the fifth block I didn’t see a lot of hexbear, so it they have a few very loud individuals but instance blocking hexbear really made my browsing a lot more chill
lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 8 months ago
lemmygrad? Oh, I missed that one.
OpenStars@discuss.online 8 months ago
Most instances have already blocked lemmygrad. Yours is one of a very few that has not.