mathemachristian
@mathemachristian@lemm.ee
- Comment on Is it me or is everyone in hexbear insane? 2 months ago:
In my case my hexbear account is an alt of my lemm.ee account
- Comment on Is it me or is everyone in hexbear insane? 2 months ago:
My point was that there was much more good faith discussion from hexbear than from OP, I think the posts you copied here illustrate that nicely.
Also
Poor oppressed Putin!
shows how little you understand these arguments, the argument you post after that is meant to illustrate how Putin is an oppressor, not a oppressed or a speaker of the oppressed.
- Comment on Is it me or is everyone in hexbear insane? 2 months ago:
They’re detailed, they’re sourced and they give a coherent explanation. You can call them crock or whatever but it’s something you can actually argue against. None of this applies to the responses OP gave.
Also you’re really not understanding what is being said about the nazis in ukraine, namely that they are in power and control of the military. Which is an argument Im not gonna get into since I don’t know enough about it, but there is more to it than the "ukraine is imperfect because it has nazis and this is enough justification case closed. " argument you claim is being put forth.
- Comment on Is it me or is everyone in hexbear insane? 2 months ago:
“Ukraine isn’t a utopia, therefore it’s a dystopia”.
What?
More to the point, OPs replies were worse or non-existent. If you are going to bring up the ukraine war in a forum that is known to be on the other side of your argument you should have a better explanation than “Putin wants to revive the USSR” or at least something to back it up.
- Comment on Is it me or is everyone in hexbear insane? 2 months ago:
Except these replies are made to illustrate the viewpoints held by the commenters and not meant to be dunks. Rather obviously imo. Yet OP is claiming he only got called mean words and no one explained to them why they think what they think.
There absolutely were good faith explanations but OP didn’t engage with any of them in kind but chose to keep replying to the dunks instead.
- Comment on Is it me or is everyone in hexbear insane? 2 months ago:
More the fact that they got detailed replies but their best counter in that whole thread where the two replies where they quickly google some shit and paste the first results and provided no thoughts of their own.
- Comment on Is it me or is everyone in hexbear insane? 2 months ago:
Here it is hexbear.net/post/3384251/5347245
- Comment on Is it me or is everyone in hexbear insane? 2 months ago:
again youre misrepresenting. you got several well articulated lengthy explanations and dismissed them or didn’t reply.
- Comment on Is it me or is everyone in hexbear insane? 2 months ago:
I was on lemm.ee when I got radicalized, all my life Ive been exposed to people claiming all sorts of things. I was a pro-NATO pro-Ukraine anti-ussr anti-china average reddit lib that they were able to convince otherwise.
- Comment on Is it me or is everyone in hexbear insane? 2 months ago:
Here is a sample of the enriching experience they brought to the site: lemm.ee/post/41483398/14572285
and I’ll leave it to you to figure out why I’m not posting with my hexbear alt on lemmy.world
- Comment on Is it me or is everyone in hexbear insane? 2 months ago:
Im going to link your conversation here, where people were giving you detailed responses and you just kept shrugging them off so others can judge for themselves:
- Comment on Is it me or is everyone in hexbear insane? 2 months ago:
using the r slur or any variation thereof would already net you a ban so I doubt you were calling out someone elses use of it.
and i very much doubt the sincerity of your other characterizations, can you link the converations?
- Comment on Is it me or is everyone in hexbear insane? 2 months ago:
but they are linking a lot of outside sources. That’s what I mean by “backing their claims up”, studies about covid, about the ukraine war, about Israel, it’s not just someone making a claim and then everyone is nodding along.
- Comment on Is it me or is everyone in hexbear insane? 2 months ago:
Just revelling in the fact that the first thing you do after your ban is running to the most lib instance looking for reassurance that it’s the ebil tankies who are crazy
- Comment on Is it me or is everyone in hexbear insane? 2 months ago:
and how they kept being able to back it up?
- Comment on Is it me or is everyone in hexbear insane? 2 months ago:
You’re looking at the lemmygrad ban where they got banned for saying that the opinions about US politics held a person whos country is being exploited by the US don’t matter.
- Comment on Is it me or is everyone in hexbear insane? 2 months ago:
Lol you got banned from hexbear and now are crying about it on lemmy.world?
- Comment on Is it me or is everyone in hexbear insane? 2 months ago:
Yeah they kept being able to back the most ridiculous claims and then suddenly I was like “oh no they were right all along” and got radicalized 🤷
- Comment on Maybe this is better for everyone 2 months ago:
The bourgeoisie make no difference between me and the cow, except for the commodity we produce. They will push to extract our laborforce at the exact cost it requires to sustain it. The cow is a comrade and fighting for their rights is fighting the system that looks to enslave us as well. If you can’t see how the methods in husbandry are used against us then have a look at the holocaust.
- Comment on Maybe this is better for everyone 2 months ago:
Here is another one: That meat on your plate comes from an animal that could feel. It had a whole life full of feelings and dreams. It might’ve liked some food but disliked other, it probably had friends, it had a mom and a dad, it was loved. Then they killed it, shipped it, you cooked it and ate it.
- Comment on Maybe this is better for everyone 2 months ago:
My comment poking fun at the ridiculousness of double standard in tone policing got removed for trolling so let me be more explicit:
There were already very rude jokes and comments about vegans in this thread. Rudeness against vegans is the norm and played for laughs, but god forbid a vegan returns the favor then suddenly everyone is crying for more civility.
Also sincerely held beliefs should be communicated sincerely. No ones going to believe the dude that says “I think what you’re taking part in is a horrific injustice carried out on an industrial scale but to each their own I guess. Lets agree to disagree.”
- Comment on Maybe this is better for everyone 2 months ago:
If one believes that the mother losing her newborn cries about it for days and that this is happening happens on an industrial scale that person will be very indignant about such a horrific injustice. That’s what convinced me, this is a real injustice and not being angry about it would be insincere
- Comment on Maybe this is better for everyone 2 months ago:
Stealing labor while keeping the laborers alive at the barest minimum possible and trading them as property is slavery.
- Comment on Maybe this is better for everyone 2 months ago:
Gonna copy large chunks of my last comment because no ones there to stop me.
This isn’t a debate like how should we reduce plastic accumulation or the carcinogenic properties of red meat. Not supporting slavery and murder should be the norm, not something that needs to be argued for at length. Being vegan is not doing something good, but not being vegan is doing something evil. This is our position. If someone can’t accept that what their doing is evil but needs to be asked nicely not to kill the screaming orphan who never got to meet his mom because we wanted to steal her milk then they won’t accept that it is an actual real evil that is taking place. It will remain a theoretical. But there really is a room where these orphans are brought to be murdered. A person murdering them. And a mother who screamed bitterly over losing their child. It is a real evil and being polite about it masks the horror taking place not to mention is completely insincere since we aren’t interested in debating or in weighing pros and cons. It’s a horrific injustice and we will talk about it as such. There is an evil inherent to not being vegan. Fuck the non-vegans.
- Comment on Maybe this is better for everyone 2 months ago:
Reformism doesn’t work. People that are vegan because it’s “actually really good food” or looking for applause for “saving the planet” stop being vegan once it becomes too inconvenient. Because their mindset is that they are doing something good and you can stop doing good things or balance them out with other good deeds and there is an inherent expectation of a reward for being good.
Not supporting slavery and murder however should be the norm, not something that feels like a burden. Being vegan is not doing something good, but not being vegan is doing something evil. This is our position. If someone can’t accept that what their doing is evil but needs to be asked nicely not to kill the screaming orphan who never got to meet his mom because we wanted to steal her milk then they won’t accept that it is an actual real evil that is taking place. It will remain a theoretical. But there really is a room where these orphans are brought to be murdered. A person murdering them. And a mother who screamed bitterly over losing their child. It is a real evil and being polite about it masks the horror taking place not to mention is completely insincere since we aren’t interested in debating or in weighing pros and cons. This isn’t a debate like how should we reduce plastic accumulation or the carcinogenic properties of red meat. There is an evil inherent to not being vegan. Fuck the non-vegans.
- Comment on Maybe this is better for everyone 2 months ago:
well you just arent going to convince me by being rude you have to ask me nicely and maybe Ill think about it
- Comment on Maybe this is better for everyone 2 months ago:
Hey maybe if you people would be NICER to me I would entertain the thought that I was in the wrong
- Comment on Maybe this is better for everyone 2 months ago:
There’s nothing to listen to, either you believe animal ag is horrendous and unethical and act on it or you don’t. That’s it. No pretty pleases are going to convince someone they have to give up their beloved steak and cheese for nothing in return.
- Comment on Maybe this is better for everyone 2 months ago:
good talk nice representation, really convinced me to be nicer to corpsemunchers going forward.
- Comment on Maybe this is better for everyone 2 months ago:
If you need people to be nice to you to convince you, you care more about appearances than the argument. If people being rude stops you from acting on something you actually believe in you won’t last a month as a vegan.
Going vegan means changing your habits, giving up a lot of your treats with nothing in return. You will be the weird one at christmas that needs “special” catering, people have to choose restaurants based on your habits and you will be the butt of a lot of jokes simply because you care about animals not being enslaved. If you need people to be nice to you, and applaud you and make you feel all warm and fuzzy to keep that going you won’t last.
The first lesson every vegan needs to learn is: there are no rewards and no one will compliment you. You are doing this out of your own conviction and not for anyone else.