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• FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  They aren’t even really left. They are super authoritarian.

  I blocked them since they spew Russian and Chinese propaganda points and take revisionist stances on Tianman square and deny the Uyghur Genocide.

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  • TheOubliette@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The term “authoritarian” is so fraught that under these circumstances it might as well just mean “opponent of the United States” or “organized at all”.

    The examples you have provided are quite absurd.

    Tiananmen Square (which you misspelled) is indeed poorly understood in The West, including the historical conensus that there was no massacre in the square itself. It is, in fact, historical revisionism to suggest otherwise. In addition, Tiananmen Square is just a place, a very popular one to visit that has been the location for all kinda of events. In China, the events are called the June 4 Incident / events. Calling it “Tiananmen Square” is sometimes a sign that a person is not familiar with the history as they are using the common but misleading term that is virtually only used to forward the previously-mentioned historical revisionism to a Western audience that is in no way interested in understanding.

    Re: Uyghurs, I would suggest that you read into this much more, as the topic is full of misinformation, think tanks with shady ties, fake universities, charlatans pretending to be experts, literal teenagers treated as satellite photography analysis experts, and really weird NGOs, including pro-Trump ones. One good topic to focus on is calling it a genocide at all and how that came to be the discourse. In particular, what The Newlines Institute is, why they were amplified by the US State Departmwnt, their rationale, and, of course, why none of that is taken seriously outside of a very specific political block. Following their members, funding, etc is actually a pretty interesting rabbit trail to follow. Bird’s eye view, the rhetorical treatment of Uyghurs as the subject of genocide was more or less invented, and this is is why you naturally don’t see math death, destruction, refugees, or forced migrations of the Uyghur population. This does not mean bad things haven’t happened there nor that policies were not hamfisted, but just compare how China treated a series of sectarian knife attacks (education, jobs, vocational training, investment, banning extremist Salafist practices) to how the West treated and treats Muslims (invading and killing millions).

    So, anyways, I hope that you can continue your education and engage with these realities in gold faith.

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    • wick@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Thanks for posting your thoughts, I don’t get many opportunities to hear tankie brainrot as it’s often purged from my feed before I even open the comments.

      #1 whatever did or did not happen at the specific location of Tiananmen Square doesn’t address that the Chinese government murdered student protestors. Doesn’t matter if it was two blocks over or on the other side of the country. The CCP will use lethal force against protestors.

      #2 a think tank has nothing to do with all the Uyghurs whose family members have disappeared without a trace. The CCP makes people disappear and they offer zero transparency into their judicial process.

      You’re quibbling over minor specifics and ignoring the undisputed parts that are most damning. Stop being a propagandist for a government that doesn’t even align with your proported beliefs just because ”america bad".

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      • TheOubliette@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Thanks for posting your thoughts, I don’t get many opportunities to hear tankie brainrot as it’s often purged from my feed before I even open the comments.

        I can see already how much of a good faith engagement this will be. Would you be surprised if people reacted negatively to your introduction?

        #1 whatever did or did not happen at the specific location of Tiananmen Square doesn’t address that the Chinese government murdered student protestors.

        What I was doing was pointing out that the most common understanding is an absurdity and historically revisionist. There is plenty more that could be discussed if one wanted to, but the common understanding is a cartoonish falsehood based on memes and not any actual attempt to read and understand. The way that parent made their reference indicated that they shared this false understanding.

        Doesn’t matter if it was two blocks over or on the other side of the country. The CCP will use lethal force against protestors.

        What matters re: the point I made is that there is a conflict with the common mental image and suggests that perhaps a person should recognize when they do not really know something. It might even jostle a person to not reach for the next-worst type of sourcing and instead do a deep-dive that challenges themselves. Wouldn’t want to get caught out like that again, right?

        #2 a think tank has nothing to do with all the Uyghurs whose family members have disappeared without a trace.

        This is the same illogical structue of the previous response. It sounds like what you would really like to say is that there is something related that you think is important so you would like to skip over what I said. Feel free to make another thread with these other points and I can respond to them there.

        You’re quibbling over minor specifics and ignoring the undisputed parts that are most damning.

        Ad I said, the entire narrative shift is based on an absurd propaganda apparatus and not any evidence on the ground. The use of the big G word.

        The fact that OP is repeating this again suggests a lack of investigation. And yet they are so dismissive! I would hope that they might become interested in doing some media criticism. Maybe ask a question. Sometimes people do this and only tell you until much later.

        Stop being a propagandist for a government that doesn’t even align with your proported beliefs just because ”america bad".

        Now you are just making things up.

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    • j_overgrens@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      On behalf of my Uyghur friends who haven’t spoken to their parents in years, because they were imprisoned for their children emigrating: fuck you. A really deep, heartfelt fuck you.

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      • davel@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Please, tell us more about your Uyghur friends and their imprisoned parents.

        What’s it like to completely make stuff up and post it online pseudonymously?

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      • TheOubliette@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Please engage with what I said rather than leveling personal attacks.

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    • Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Found one guys!

      Tianmen square test: Failed

      Uyghur test: Failed

      I love this litmus test so much lol.

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      • Diva@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You saw them run over the guy in the square too, didn’t you? Incredible.

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      • TheOubliette@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        What did I say that was inaccurate?

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    • pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      what about märtsiküüditamine? and im not translating for a tankie, kuradi hull!

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      • TheOubliette@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        They didn’t mention it so why would I address it? You don’t seem particularly ready to have a good faith discussion, either.

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  • OpenStars@discuss.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Many people playing “leftist” are this way, sadly. And <insert religion here>, and <insert country name here> as well, but my favorite example is “conservatives”… who despite both the name itself and the claim to want to return to “traditional” values, instead want to radically overthrow everything that has arisen for the past several hundreds of years.

    It turns out that it is really, really, really hard to be truly honest with oneself, about whatever it is that we choose to believe.

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  • Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    One of the mods is an actual Russian troll. Davel@lemmy.ml

    Pro-Russian mod who keeps pretending they’re not.

    “If those kids could read…” meme would be fitting lol

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  • muzzle@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I mostly agree with you, but that’s the reason why I picked an instance that does not block them: sometimes it is good to see the world from a different point of view. And it’s not like the other Lemmy instances are completely free of propaganda either.

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    • FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah it is when you’re not affected by them I guess. But their rampant ableism and transphobia would have made me leave lemmy if there wasn’t a way to block.

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      • Edie@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Ableism? Transphobia? Where mao-aggro-shining

        time for some bans it seems.

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• 5ibelius9insterberg@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If one’s a strict authoritarian, thats a pretty sensible thing to say 🤷‍♂️

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• mke@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  There’s at least one interesting fellow in this very thread sharing extremely predictable opinions.

  I thought I was annoying when arguing. Still do, but I found someone worse. Doesn’t make me feel better, because it seems I’m sharing a table with them.

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