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  • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yall need to learn some history.

    The liberal SDP split with the communists, supporting centrist Hindenburg in the name of unity.

    The communists campaigned on “A vote for Hindenburg is a vote for Hitler is a vote for war”

    Hindenburg won the election, getting more votes than either the communist or fascist candidates.

    Hindenburg, the liberal candidate, then proceeded to make Hitler the chancellor and staff positions of power with nazis while purging the government of communists.

    The nazis then barely had to do anything to assert complete control.

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    • FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Those lib kids would be very upset if they could read

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    • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The Nazis didn’t get in power because communists stayed home, they got into power because the liberals would rather work with fascists than communists.

      Lets not bury the lede. You run weak Democrats, you comprise with fascists (or just do the policies yourself; Biden’s border bill, Congressional support for making criticism of Israel a hate crime) : this is the path you put us on.

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    • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Cool. In this comparison, none of that matters and the Tweet has a completely valid point.

      Unless you suspect Biden will be appointing Trump in his cabinet if he wins?

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      • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        We’ve been saying from day one, that if Biden doesn’t move to the left and use every tool at his disposal to improve people’s material conditions, Trump’s going to win in 2024.

        Biden didn’t just not go left, he tried to outflank the republicans from the right by facilitating genocide, ending covid protections, and passing the most draconian border bill since like the 40s.

        This is the closest thing he could have done to handing Trump the presidency, short of appointing him VP and stepping down.

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      • Holzkohlen@feddit.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I think it’s more like Trump getting elected and he is appointing Putin as US president. Which isn’t that far off, is it?

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    • Aceticon@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It looks a lot like in a way History is repeating itself: the Democrat Establishment in the US (who are a hard neoliberals, not lefties) fielded directly and without a Primary a guy like Biden who is less than in his prime and even supports an ethno-Fascist regime commiting Genocide (and, more importantly, is unwilling to walk back on that support even to improve his odds of winning against Trump, which is what we are being told is the most important thing in the World) all of which is making it far more likely that the Fascists will get power.

      There are vast contradictions between what we are being told is the danger of Trump getting elected and the DNC and Biden persistently making choices that increase the chances of Trump getting elected and not walking back on those.

      Surelly if “Stop Trump” is the most important thing in the World for them, the Democrat Establishment too would be walking towards the wishes of the electorate not just trying to push the electorate to do all the walking towards the wishes of the Democrat Establishment.

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      • Krauerking@lemy.lol ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Agreed.

        We can’t say we must do everything to stop Trump and then shrug and say hold your nose and vote for the guy that’s polling poorly.
        That’s not trying everything that’s people in power wanting one outcome that are willing to risk everything they say they don’t want because the scared masses should hopefully fall in line without even a backup plan for it not working.

        This isn’t trying and doing everything to stop a fascist dictator taking power this is capitalist conservatives trying to stretch out their win for a little bit longer using what they think is a sure win. This can only ever end poorly even if it’s just another 4 years later from now.

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      • eldavi@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        the democrat establishment is already getting what they want from voters and the system and they won’t get any of the blame should they lose; so they both have no reason to change nor nothing to risk.

        those contradictions you referenced are the centrists version of fox news stoking the culture war, but more vague because they’re trying to appeal both both centrists and leftist; that and project 2025 are the talking points that the moderates are parroting, proving martin luther king’s opinion of the the american moderate is true.

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    • umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      and lets not forget what stopped hitler wasnt votes. it was the soviets.

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      • PRUSSIA_x86@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        And the Ukrainians, and the Poles, and the French resistance, and the British, and the Americans, and the Canadians, and…

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    • Belastend@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      During Hitlers Ascent to Power, the communist still considered the SPD to be the bigger threat and refused to march with them. And the SPD of the 1930 were by no means “liberals”. They were further to the left than any democrat has ever been.

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      • volodya_ilich@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        the communist still considered the SPD to be the bigger threat and refused to march with them

        …which was confirmed when they agreed with the Nazis… And when they collaborated with the Freikorps to crush, torture, and murder the communists.

        And the SPD of the 1930 were by no means “liberals”. They were further to the left than any democrat has ever been.

        Go ask Rosa Luxembourg, leader of communists in Germany and murdered at 47 at the order of SPD, how progressive and left the SPD was. “Left is when you agree to murder and torture communists”. Fucking revisionists man

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    • MindTraveller@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Wowsers, that’s horrible! I’ll make sure not to vote for Biden if he nominates Trump as his VP.

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  • CitizenKong@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Also, Hitler had to declare a state if emergency to gain the absolute power the Supreme Court has just handed to the US president.

    Suffice it to say, something lile this is impossible now in Germany. The justices of our highest court, the Bindesverfassungsgericht, can only hold the job for 12 years and can be no older than 68. They are also always equally voted in by two different branches of the government and need a two thirds majority for any decision.

    Our democracy isn’t without faults, but this is probably our strongest bulwark against another descent into facsism.

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    • v4ld1z@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Let’s hope it holds up against the AFD

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      • iarigby@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        it looks like it isn’t holding up? How are they allowed to still campaign?

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    • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I think Trump will declare a state of emergency as soon as people will riot against his unjust laws. Project 2025 has something about deploying the military against the population to force through deeply unpopular laws.

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  • solsangraal@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    “dOnT cArE, nOt VoTiNg”

    -hexbear

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  • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Hitler was appointed chancellor by Hindenburg. He wasn’t voted in by the people.

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    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Even setting aside the bit of history where the SDP party rallied around Hindenburg because of their deep and abiding fear of the Evil Russian Backed KDP party (god damn, everything old really is new again), there were three different elections from July of '32 to March of '33. The Nazis took 37% of the seats in July, dipped down to 32% in November, and then jumped to 43% the following March.

      And then, what really kicked off martial law was the Reichstagg fire, which was blamed on Tankie Antifa Far-Left Communists and used to justify a Nazi-lead state of martial law. Liberals, Conservatives, and Fascists all united under a single banner in their staunch hatred of German Communism.

      This was decades after German military police and Freikorps paramilitary groups under Hindenburg crushed the Spartacus League during the 1919 strike wave. The leaders of the movement - Rosa Luxemburg, Karl Liebknecht, and Franz Mehring - were executed by the police and the organizations disbanded under threat of further imprisonment/execution.

      This, in comparison to the Beer Hall Pustch four years later, in which Hitler’s band of low-ranking military officers were tossed in the drunk tank for nine months, before returning to politics and rapidly climbing the ranks on the basis that he’d been martyred by (((bad Germans))) who secretly controlled the government.

      Gotta wonder how this compares to the 2014 BLM protests, the subsequent police crackdown, and then the string of BLM leadership “suicides” where members of the movement shot themselves in the head right before being incinerated in their cars. Or the widespread bipartisan/corporate efforts to suppress labor activism in the rail, shipping, and Amazon distribution centers, the automotive industry, and the Starbucks-centric food service sectors.

      Oh well, anyways!

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      • Krauerking@lemy.lol ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yeah we have a lot more in common with pre third Reich Germany than people want to talk about and it’s not just a voting for a crazy shouting lunatic thats making the comparison so eerily similar.

        The staunch refusal to try and go left and actually make things better and give people to rally behind is gonna do a lot of the heavy lifting of moving people to the right and it’s not appreciated or understood by the people who make the memes about voting for Biden regardless of anything.

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      • ssj2marx@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I, personally, have learned from history, which is why I’ll be voting PSL in the upcoming election.

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      • hark@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        There is a good reason why it starts with “first they came for the communists”

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      • ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Shit, the Freikorps immediately turned around after murdering the Spartacus League and overthrew the SPD government who sent them out. The Kapp Putsch. And the SPD compromised with them.

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      • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        because of their deep and abiding fear of the Evil Russian Backed KDP party (god damn, everything old really is new again)

        You missed the moment where NSDAP and German communists kinda had intersecting constituencies, as in “angry young people with nothing good to do”.

        Many stormtroopers were members of both at different points of their, eh, path.

        And then, what really kicked off martial law was the Reichstagg fire,

        Which was almost certainly a false flag operation by Nazis.

        Liberals, Conservatives, and Fascists all united under a single banner in their staunch hatred of German Communism.

        Such parallels always suck. They didn’t really have liberals in the Weimar republic. It was all conservatives, monarchists, nationalists, and some fishy social-democrats. And it was kinda authoritarian at every point.

        This was decades after German military police and Freikorps paramilitary groups under Hindenburg crushed the Spartacus League during the 1919 strike wave. The leaders of the movement - Rosa Luxemburg, Karl Liebknecht, and Franz Mehring - were executed by the police and the organizations disbanded under threat of further imprisonment/execution.

        Yep. You might consider that such a republic shouldn’t be so readily compared to the US.

        I’m not saying future is cool.

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      • PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        2014 BLM protests? You’re almost a decade early there

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    • WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Like losing the popular vote.

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  • LostAndSmelly@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Imagine having a political opponent you consider equal to Hitler and choosing Joe Biden as the candidate you run against him.

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    • doingthestuff@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      And after the debate you have to wonder who you’re really voting for. I don’t believe he’s really calling the shots. If it’s Obama or something okay, but let’s be honest.

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      • UFODivebomb@programming.dev ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Idiotic conspiracy theories like this is troll shit.

        I don’t believe you are not an idiot. Let’s be honest.

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      • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        And after the debate you have to wonder who you’re really voting for.

        The one who doesn’t pledge to be a dictator.

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      • suction@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Next you’ll be telling us about “big Mike”, right, Chuddy?

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  • Isa@feddit.org ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men. — Plato

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    • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Just ask my slaves. Gods, I love slavery. - Plato

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  • AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Since this is posted on a shitpost community, I’ll just assume it’s not supposed to be taken seriously.

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  • Wrrzag@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah, and he went away not because they voted him out but thanks to Soviet weapons.

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    • WldFyre@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Who allied up with the Nazis to invade Poland?

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      • daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Soviets were the only ones who truly supported the Spanish democracy against the fascist. Every other country, including Poland, turned their back to us while the Luffwaffle was bombing our citizens.

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      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        IBM and Standard Oil

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    • SomethingBurger@jlai.lu ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      And American weapons. Let’s not pretend that the USSR fought alone.

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      • uis@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        And Brittish weapons

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      • ssj2marx@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        They did do 80% of the fighting, though. So lets not give America too much credit.

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      • Nyoka@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Probably more accurate to say American trucks and raw materials, but yes.

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      • volodya_ilich@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Nice whataboutism

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    • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They did some rapes too !

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      • volodya_ilich@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        As did everyone. There’s no study showing that the amount of rapes per soldier by the soviets is higher than that of other nations.

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      • calcopiritus@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        And only stole most of east Germany’s infrastructure.

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    • suction@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Imagine thinking the Russian cowards were the main factor in Hitler’s loss 😂😂😂

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  • Sunforged@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Libs trying to teach history before learning it themselves. Iconic.

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  • rainynight65@feddit.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It didn’t just take “Hitler’s death” for Germans to be able to vote again. It wasn’t a case of “oh look, he’s dead, now we can go back to democracy”. It took over a decade of political terror and violence, a devastating world war, and one of the most organised campaigns of mass murder and genocide in history.

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  • jayemar@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So weird to think that that all went down in 14 years. 2010 doesn’t seem that long ago.

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  • someguy3@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If they survived that is.

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  • Bgugi@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is not a shit post.

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  • TheDeepState@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m voting for Joe!

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    • samus12345@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m voting for Not Trump!

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      • GiddyGap@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I’m voting for Joe and against Trump.

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      • suction@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        So brave

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  • kickeriekuh@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The first NSDAP government came into being in 1930, in Thuringia. It toppled a left-wing government with a broad alliance of liberals, conservatives and right-wing extremists. Today, a center-left government is still in power in Thuringia, but in a tolerated minority government that is dependent on the votes of the other parties. In a few months, it will most likely be voted out by another one. The liberal, conservative and far-right parties are already using their majority to jointly push through laws against the government. An extreme right-wing party will probably become the strongest force and as such will be able to do a lot of damage, even without government participation.

    There are already areas where only right-wing candidates are running and right-wing conservatives are the most left-wing option.

    Perhaps history will repeat itself this year.

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  • RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That’s just a bit over 3 legislative periods. Hardly enough for any significant to happen.

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    • Agent641@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      How long until Coles Law?

      (I am very hungry)

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      • hakunawazo@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Accompanied by J Law?

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  • ASDraptor@lemmy.autism.place ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The problem with the left everywhere is they don’t have the balls to actually take action. They all talk about tolerance and how dialogue should make people change and be the politicians language. No. Certain things shouldn’t be tolerated. Fascism and nazism are two of those. Democracy is above anything else. If a subject is trying to undermine democracy or the institutions protecting it, they should be considered a national threat and dealt with accordingly. The problem is that the left is afraid of being seen as “authoritarian” so when a fascist comes and openly says they want to fuck democracy until it becomes a dictatorship, leftists just say “hey now, let’s sit down and talk”. No, my dude, we don’t “sit down and talk” with a fascist. We punch them in the face and tell them “fuck you, if you want to be a dictator, you’re a threat for our country and will be dealt with as a terrorist”. 80 years ago, we argued with Nazis by shooting them. We forgot and now we’re having them in our governments again.

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    • lseif@sopuli.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      dont conflate liberals with leftists

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      • chumbalumber@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yeah – has the commenter above seen literally any civil war ever? It’s the leftists that show up

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    • volodya_ilich@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The problem with the left everywhere is they don’t have the balls to actually take action

      Wait, I thought the problem is that the communists are oppressive tankies. What’s the conclusion then, the left goes too far or it doesn’t go far enough?

      They all talk about tolerance and how dialogue should make people change and be the politicians language. No. Certain things shouldn’t be tolerated. Fascism and nazism are two of those

      Please tell me, which ideology do the famous and vilified “antifa”, the ones who actually go and punch Nazis, espouse? Are they lukewarm Dems, are they republicans? Or are they actual leftists, both anarchists and communists?

      The problem is that the left is afraid of being seen as “authoritarian” so when a fascist comes and openly says they want to fuck democracy until it becomes a dictatorship, leftists just say “hey now, let’s sit down and talk”.

      This is true in some cases, not in others. You can argue this is true for Salvador Allende in Chile, you can maybe even argue for pre-spanish civil war Second Republic, but you can’t argue this about Maoists or Marxist-Leninists. Those are as far to the left as it gets, isn’t it?

      Maybe the problem isn’t with “the left not being active enough”, but with democrats in the US and socialdemocrats in Europe co-opting the left thanks to the power of mass media? Maybe the problem is the century of anti-communist propaganda that we’ve suffered?

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  • FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If they’re trying to convince Republicans to vote against Trump then they’ve chosen the wrong argument.

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    • ori@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They probably want non voters to vote.

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  • suction@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So just 14 years, a world war, a holocaust, and an aftermath which still leads to new wars until today?

    Yeah I think I’ll just be watching those crazy Netflix documentaries on Nov. 5th

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  • FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This implies that people care, which might not be true…

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    • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What do you expect, people think Hitler was good for most Germans and restored economy and made trains run on time, and the defeat part oh well. Because that’s what movies show. And that’s because for commies Hitler was just a variation of the west, probably less capricious, while for the west Hitler was bad, but good against commies. So both would show Nazis as being better than their opponent.

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      • Saledovil@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        He wasn’t even good for the German economy though, the Nazis produces a large GDP growth through massive military spending, they bankrupted the country well before the war was over, and had they won the war, the German economy would have crashed immediately.

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      • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Wtf I wrote in the end…

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  • ssj2marx@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Ah yes, another fantastic reason to vote for De La Cruz in this upcoming election.

    The Germans in 1932 all voted for the “realistic” liberal candidate, Hindenberg, and he went ahead and appointed Hitler as chancellor anyway. The only option to preent the Nazis from rising to power was the communists, which is of course why the Nazis killed all the communists the first chance they got (with the help of the social democrats - don’t trust AOC is what I’m saying).

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    • SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Are you saying Biden will make Trump president?

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      • ssj2marx@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Since Biden has done nothing to curb the radical conservative takeover of the Supreme Court, he doesn’t have to. The GOP has all the undemocratic institutional power they could ever ask for.

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    • foreverandaday@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Will also be voting for her, insane how many people think voting for a genocide enabler is a perfectly reasonable thing

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  • istanbullu@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    A good reminder to vote against genocide Joe.

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    • Zoot@reddthat.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      And vote for Genocidal Convicted Felon Trump?

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    • GiddyGap@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They’re poisoning the blood of our country

      Trump quoting Hitler on immigrants.

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    • don@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Thanks for the reminder to vote against dementia Don.

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    • forrgott@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Wow. Reading this comment has lowered the IQ of everyone in this thread…

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  • boatsnhos931@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Who’s Hitler lol no cap fr fr deadass tho

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  • abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    en.wikipedia.org/…/1949_West_German_federal_elect…

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  • CableMonster@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Are we really going with the trump is hitler thing again?

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  • chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Bourgeois representative “democracy” is a fallacy

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  • nemith@programming.dev ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Any look at Germany now….

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  • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Something about a Genocide and never again…

    Do you mean the Germans should have voted for Hitler harder OP?

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  • Facebones@reddthat.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The Democratic platform if they actually acted to stop the rise of fascism and codified basic human rights:

    the page is blank

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  • Xephonian@retrolemmy.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The more they push us to vote, the less our votes actually mean. Voting is a placebo.

    Trump won 2020 and they’ll cheat again in 2024.

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