Team Car!
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irate944@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
PattyMcB@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Look at all the angry comments by cyclists (with upvotes) and you’ll have your answer!
OriginEnergySux@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
CheerfulPassionFruit@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Gosh, almost as if cyclists need safe spaces to ride. How about we just drastically reduce the number of 2 ton deathmachines on the roads.
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Why
CheerfulPassionFruit@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Seriously, go look at a notjustbikes video
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Loads of reasons really, but let’s start with reductions to rates and severity of asthma in children.
rockerface@lemmy.cafe 2 weeks ago
Obligatory fuck cars
FollyDolly@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
My issue is if you want to bike in the streetlike a car, then you have to obey car rules. Like stopping at stop lights and stop signs. If you want to ride on the sidewalk then you have to obey pedestrian rules, like crossing at the correct times. Thr number of cyclists I’ve seen blow through stop signs and stop lights is staggering.
SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
You say that, but drivers would lose their minds of bicyclists followed the same rules. Example: Taking the whole lane.
NathanRanch@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I wish bikes just took the whole lane like a car. Half assing it either way is really the problem.
RobotToaster@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
It’s called vehicular cycling and it’s a safer way to cycle.
Archimedes@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Man, it’s almost as if we need a third thing. A sort of, road for bicycles (or long, skinny concentration camp, if you prefer) which is suited to bicycling without getting in the way. Get those bloody cyclists off our roads and footpaths, those are for us!
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
How would you implement this? Are they going to have bridges over every traffic light?
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Even when bikes have to ride on the roads, it would be crazy to make them behave exactly like cars, because they’re not.
Cars have to stop at stop signs because a driver’s visibility is quite poor, they have obstacles due to the A-pillar, etc,. and it is unsafe if they don’t stop and look out for other traffic.
Bicyclists have much better visibility, and a slower travel speed, so usually don’t need the extra time to be aware of other bike/car traffic. They are also incentivized to maintain momentum and move past a dangerous intersection in a visible, efficient way.
Which is why the Idaho stop is getting more and more accepted. Crashes at intersections go down 23% when implemented.
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Dutch people: “both of those are dumb and dangerous”
UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
A significant portion of accidents involving cyclists is from others not paying enough attention to them - which can be mitigated by proper bike infrastructure.
Unfortunately we cannot mitigate the recklessness of cyclists this way, another big contributor to the accident statistics.
robin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Some places you don’t have to. Here, a stop sign is a yield for bikes, and a red light is a stop sign, legally. It works really well imo.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
to be fair, it’s not like fewer cyclists are following the rules than drivers
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
When cycling like a pedestrian here, such as on a shared bike/footpath, you do follow pedestrian rules at crossings. So lights are only advisory and you may cross at any time if you want to.
markz@suppo.fi 2 weeks ago
I do occasionally see a kamikaze cyclist while driving. But damn am I more afraid on bike.
I don’t know if the drivers don’t see me from their phones or if they just don’t care even about their cars’ paint.
Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Many drivers don’t even notice a semi truck near them, you think they will notice a bike?
thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The kamikaze cyclists give all of us a really bad time. I’m honestly surprised at how some people behave in traffic, knowing that they’re an unprotected meat bag moving at speeds far higher than what the human body is built for.
BlueOysterCultist@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Just yesterday I watched a teenager biking the wrong way on a 40mph road in the bike lane. They must’ve just learned how to ride because they were wobbling and swerving so far out of the lane that I was worried they’d smash into oncoming traffic.
Luckily it was a 4 lane road so cars could move over, but yeeeesh the kid had a death wish.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Living in a big Dutch city. Cyclists just be like: I have to be careful not to hit any more dumb suicidal tourists. For fuck sake, I have had to repair my bike twice this week already.
okwhateverdude@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Fuckin’ tourists. Get off the fietspad! And I wish they would just say no e-bikes for under-16.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Yeah, plus no fat bikes at all!
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Everyone warned me about the bikes in Amsterdam when I went to visit. When I got there and stepped outside for the first time, oh yeah the bike lane is painted a different colour to the pavement so I will walk on the pavement bit. Hang on, how the fuck do people struggle with this?
NABDad@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What about fat kids on young bikes?
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Fat kid is child abuse (unless medical condition) and the young bike needs to be rated for the weight otherwise it’s also child abuse. But older bikes usually have steel wheels while younger bikes have aluminium bikes, so the weight capacity is larger with older bikes (not that it matters for kids though).
Shayeta@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
What do you have against bikes with fat tires?
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
In the Netherlands Fat Bikes are not those mountain bikes with fat tires, they are just electric motorcycles disguised as a bike because it has barely functioning pedals. Kids are a menace on those bikes, they go way too fast. Not to mention Dutch kids are getting fatter and unhealthier and putting kids on motorized vehicles instead of bicycle doesn’t help.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
As much as I am all for the de-car-ification of my country, cyclist really aren’t doing themselves any favors.
SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
Bullshit. Cyclists obey the rules of the road at greater rates than drivers. It’s just that you expect drivers to behave like entitled dipshits, so their lawbreaking is less visible.
criss_cross@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’ve never once seen a cyclist stop at a stop sign. Even into oncoming traffic they just ignore them and hope for the best.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
So much to dissect here
First: drive(cycle) predictively, not politely.
Second: I just left a comment about not liking car culture(go on, check my profile. I’m not lying.)
Third:I don’t expect anything! I get into the other lane if there is a cyclist. But go on, tell me more about myself.
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Yeah. When every car is breaking the speed limit and it just gets ignored. But bring up speeding and oh that doesn’t count.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
no less so than drivers are, so it’s kind of an irrelevant point
ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
angry boomer noises
frog@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Living in Manhattan for decades, I only had 3 issues with cyclists. I’ve had dozens with drivers. I had no issues with skateboarders.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
this is what’s wild to me. I’ll be having casual conversation with people and they’ll mention one cyclist that did something they didn’t like. sometimes it’s valid like running a red light, sometimes it’s something stupid like complaining about how they’re not in the non-existent bike lane. the wild part is that they will do this after we just had multiple discussions about how bad drivers were on the way to the location that we are currently hanging out. like, there’s just no recognition for how much worse drivers are and how much more prevalent it is.
no matter what method of transportation I use, drivers are always the worst part of it. always. no matter where I go. a lot of routes around my house don’t even require me to be on public streets except residential streets or to cross streets, and still drivers will fuck up the one of three situations in which I must interact with them.
Leviathan@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
When I’m not biking I drive a delivery truck and make sure I stop for and/or let pass every cyclist in order to drive every other car brain on the road insane and it gives me great pleasure.
DudleyMason@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Anyways nenunna car has already made the decision that their minor convenience is worth the possible death of someone they don’t know and also worth the definite degradation of the shared environment everyone needs to live.
Expecting such a person to give any more of a fuck about the people around them than is necessary to avoid the “hassle” of hitting a pedestrian or cyclistsl is a laughable concept.
Good people don’t drive cars as personal transportation.
Goforce5@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Honestly, this is such a fucking privileged take that it hurts. How do you expect people to get to work? I cannot bike 25 miles to work in 107F heat. I will literally die. I fully support making cities completely walkable, and making public transportation make more sense. I also can see that tons of GOOD people only own cars because they have to. Cyclists, however, always seem to have a stick up their ass while also unapologetically breaking every road rule as they cry about car people. I think at least half of the times I’ve collided with something while skateboarding, its been a bicycle. I dont automatically assume that every cyclist is a bad person, even though my anecdotal evidence seems to support it.
DudleyMason@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
this is such a fucking privileged take that it hurts.
From where I’m sitting the privilege belongs to the people making zero changes to their daily lives in response to climate change. Why the fuck do think it’s ok to live 25 miles from work? Why not move? Bcs it would be inconvenient, got it.
People should not live in places where a car is required. Unless they are doing jobs that have to be done outside of the city. You wanna live like a modern hermit? Ok, but you need to get a job working on a farm, in a mine, or at a logging camp.
Otherwise, move your ass to a denser area with good transit or stop pretending that anything but selfishness and a desire to avoid inconvenience motivated you to stay in suburbia.
dan69@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
*Drivers: I have to be careful by not texting gibberish or not watching this entire 7 second TikTok clip
stickyprimer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah… I hate to say it but cyclists take to the sidewalks in my neighborhood even though we have bike lanes everywhere. Obviously they are trying to be safer from cars which I can’t fault them for, but they do become a danger to pedestrians. Basically pedestrians are in a lose lose situation. Unless we want to start counting the bugs they step on.
CyberTheProtogen@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I don’t care how many “bike lanes” an area has. A stripe of paint on a road will never be acceptable. Unless there is a physical barrier, I’ll be taking sidewalks when possible.
Think about it like this: Bike crashes with car = broken bones and probably death. Bike crashes with person = bruises and scrapes, maybe broken bones.
It’s clear to me.
Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Today, while I had the green light, had another car blatantly run a red light and almost hit me. I turned left to catch up with him, pounded on his window and told him he was a jackass. When he rolled his window down I recognized him as a state assembly member. Hoping he doesn’t recognize me when he eventually calls the HR office because he’s at the dentists office and doesn’t have his insurance card because he’s a fucking spoiled man-child.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
my mindset when biking now is mostly to inconvenience bad drivers as much as possible and ensure that if they hit me it results in as much damage to their car as I can without harming myself.
I will aggressively take my right of way. one of the most common places is a bike crossing nearby where drivers routinely blow the stop line on their red light - I start up as quickly so that if they blow the stop and go into the crossing, I may not be able to stop before crashing into them. I don’t mind my shitty bike taking some damage if it leaves them with a dented door panel. another common occurrence is roundabouts - drivers vastly underestimate the speed at which a bike can navigate a tight roundabout, and they routinely cut me off. unfortunately, I’ve avoided collisions every time that a driver has nearly hit me, because my reaction is to not get hurt. but god damn did I ever want to slam into some of those cars and leave a lasting impression
Sirius006@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I feel you but you only have one fragile body.
I spent months of horror and multiple hospitalisations because I brake too hard on my bike at low speed, didn’t fall but landed too hard on the saddle. My username comes from that horrendous experience.
Of course it was because a car ran a red light, that was hidden by a truck parked like an asshole.
There’s a shitload of studies showing that cars break far more rules than bikes everywhere it has been measured. You don’t have to put your body in the line to make a point.
Please just be safe for your own sake. You certainly deserve it.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
thankfully my reflexes still prioritize my own safety, and most times I leave a near collision pissed off at the shitty driver and regretful that I couldn’t leave them a lasting mark. but when I get to the chance to, say, let my cargo bike basket scrape a car that pushed me into the curb, I’m gonna try to take it.
and thankfully (?) my health issues are unrelated to biking injuries (at least, unrelated to sharing the road with drivers — I’ve got a completely self-inflicted road injury from long ago and injuries from mountain biking lol).
A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl 2 weeks ago
Idunno pedestrians in my city just walk with the confidence that law says cars have to stop.
Dozzi92@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I do that. If I get to a crosswalk, I don’t stand and wait for cars to stop, I step into the road and make them stop, because thems the rules. I don’t do it while I’m staring at my phone though, because that’s dumb.
skidicarus@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
As I’ve heard one person say, “your right of way doesn’t matter if I run you over.” As a pedestrian, I always wait until I see the car slowing down before I step out in front of it.
NABDad@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I do this, but only if I can see their eyes.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Posted from a hospital bed.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
yeah, I do that. because I have right of way when I do it.
I had a driver yell at me once because in her incorrect opinion I had not checked for cross traffic. I was approaching a pedestrian crossing at a roundabout that is signed that drivers must yield to pedestrians. I knew she was approaching from my left, I heard her slowing down, and I quickly glanced to confirm that she was stopping. I did this without obviously turning my head. I stepped into the crosswalk without slowing down, and she took the time to roll her window down and yell at me that I need to look around or something, and then nearly hit something as she proceeded through the roundabout trying to roll her window back up.
I did everything just fine, she was just mad that she was too observant to notice me checking for traffic
HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Cyclists: every pavement is a shared space if you’re going fast enough.
NABDad@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’ve had two bicyclists run a red light right in front of me as I was pulling out on a green.
One was horrified and apologic.
The other yelled at me for almost hitting him.
Agent641@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I live! I die! I live again!
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
When cyclists have to share space with pedestrians, it can be really scary when a fast bike passes you as a pedestrian. But the changes of actually being hit and hurt are really low, though it does happen anecdotally.
sangeteria@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
This is me but only bc I’m bad at biking lmaoooo
NathanRanch@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Here in Missouri the bike lanes are just painted on existing car lanes. Sometimes right down the middle. I actually applaud whenever I see a cyclist acting safe. The performance of most cyclists I see is insane at best, deadly at worst. I don’t think most cyclists realize they can be run over and the cops would likely just rule it an accident, unless there’s pressure and evidence to suggest otherwise. If I hated cars so much I didn’t want to use one, the last thing I would do is pick fights with them on crowded streets. The best cyclist is the one that isn’t there.
CyberTheProtogen@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I will never use painted bike lanes. They are only the illusion of safety. Either I’m going the speed limit and I ride on the road or I take the sidewalk if possible.
Naich@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
I’ve cycled to work and back 59 times this year, and reported 36 drivers (with video evidence from my bike) to the police, with them taking “positive action” in 34 of those cases. But yeah, it’s the cyclists who are dangerous.
Syndication@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Yeah I think the main problem isn’t the cyclists themselves, it’s that cyclists don’t have a safe place ride without getting ran over. Cyclists shouldn’t be a problem to drivers in the first place if they had their own lane or space. I’m lucky to live somewhere that has bike lanes and sidewalks on most streets. America strangely lacks basic infrastructure in a vast majority of their country. It really sucks ass if you have a fear of driving :(
Naich@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
Cyclists aren’t a “problem” any more than traffic lights or stop signs are. Drivers should be able to deal with having to slow down a bit for a few seconds without getting upset about it. If you saw a driver shouting out of his window at a traffic light you’d think they were insane.
thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I bike or walk pretty much everywhere I go, so my take on roads and traffic is that they’re usually far too car-centric (Norway). Even when I drive, I’m so used to thinking like a cyclist that I become very aware of how poorly roads are often designed around biking.
With that said… The amount of cyclists with an apparent death wish is just staggering. Just two days ago I passed a cyclist in an 80 km/h zone. No issue there. Just around the next turn, I caught up to a second cyclist that I couldn’t immediately pass due to oncoming traffic. I’m behind this second cyclist, going downhill at maybe 50 km/h, with oncoming traffic on a relatively narrow road, when I notice that the first cyclist has caught up to us. Instead of placing himself behind me, he decided it was a brilliant idea to squeeze himself into the ≈ 1.5 m gap between me (a 6m long, 2-ton car going at 50 km/h) and the guard rail. At this point, I’m just sitting here terrified that I’ll end up accidentally squeezing him into the guard rail and killing him if I happen to move a couple centimeters too close to the edge of the road. I’m seriously afraid of breaking to let him in front of me, because I’m afraid he could hit my side-view mirror if I break unexpectedly (for him). There’s oncoming traffic, so I can’t move over to give him more space.
To be honest, even when I’m biking myself I far too often find other cyclists to be absolute assholes with no respect for traffic rules. Of course, this doesn’t apply to everyone (by a long shot), but man those people cause the rest of us a lot of stress by being a danger to themselves and others.
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Meaning that, as usual, cars are the problem.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
As someone who doesn’t really ride bikes, I think it’s wild when car people are against bike lanes.
Back when I used to drive, it was so annoying to get stuck behind a cyclist. Their max speed is lower than the speed limit on most roads, passing them makes me nervous even on straight and flat roads, and if the road is hilly or curvy like most in my area, it’s downright dangerous.
I would love it if there were more bike lanes so that cyclists don’t get in my way. Why would anyone who drives a car be against that?
i_need_your_bones@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
When they have their own lane and space cars still just use it. They park on the bike lanes, move into them if somebody’s passing on their left, or try and pass cars on their right if they find space during slow traffic.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Agreed. My bike is egregiously visible. I put over a hundred reflectors on her (no that’s not hyperbole, there are a hundred spokeys and then some) and then lights and a flag, and it’s all very bright.
No one sensible wants to hit you when you’re out riding, so when you make yourself easy to see, they react accordingly. I’ve only had a couple shitass drivers who tried to kill me while out driving in the last year. Maybe it’s my locale, maybe it’s my loud bike, maybe I’m lucky and the local gangs are looking out for me as a favor for keeping my mouth shut that one time (I asked that they keep my bike and my friends’ bikes from being stolen as my favor and bikes stopped getting stolen in town). idk.
zloubida@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
You live in a country where the police actually does something on these cases?
Naich@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
Luckily, yes. There’s a web page where you fill in the details, you upload the footage and then they actually do something about it. Options for “positive action” are:
NABDad@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Where do you live that the police do more than file the report?
Where I am they don’t do anything if a car hits you unless the damage is beyond a cost threshold or someone is killed.
spacegoat@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I see a common denominator in your story
Naich@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah, I must be able to make them drive like arseholes bad enough that they get prosecuted. It’s magic or something. It can’t be that there’s a lot of people driving cars really badly, can it?
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Narc ass cop lover
RogueBanana@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
Sarcasm right?
FishFace@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Yeah but as a fellow cyclist I still laughed