irate944

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⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Can you also do this with languages that use the Latin Alphabet?⁩ ⁨⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩:
CARALHO!!!!

Translation: Install Nyarch Linux
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Can you also do this with languages that use the Latin Alphabet?⁩ ⁨⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩:
Kind of, I could think of a few examples in english:

outlook : look out

Overlook : look over

Overtake : Takeover

Upkeep : Keep up

There might be others that I can’t remember right now. I don’t know if for you most of these are cheating since they become two words instead of just being one.

In Portuguese, I really can’t remember any examples
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Me watching someone on Lemmy getting cooked for having the same opinion as me:⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:
Yup you’re right. That last part was more of an addendum for those that consider trying to find new forums.

Obviously, the voting system is only one part of the story. It by itself won’t dictate if a community will be healthy or toxic; other things like the community culture and mods will have a heavier impact. But in my experience, in all the places I’ve been in, the voting system is one of the ingredients that does have an effect on the cake overall.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Me watching someone on Lemmy getting cooked for having the same opinion as me:⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

Sometimes it even triggers an honest discussion.

In my experience, that’s what tends to happen in more traditional forums.

Voting systems are great for threads where the discussions is about problem with an objective solution, but for more subjective topics it just kills discussions.

I recommend anyone that used to be a lot on Reddit, here on Lemmy and/or other forums with karma systems to try out forums without them. Trust me you’ll notice the difference.

Niche forums with small communities tend to be best, and a lot less toxic.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨2 North American 4 you has been created⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:
You’re right, this is normal. Off the top of my head: - tempura originated because of the trade between the portuguese and japanese - portuguese monopoly on cinnamon trade with Sri Lanka and India, allowed Europe to get it for cheap and it became a main ingredient in a lot of desserts and confections - the UKs tea culture came from a portugese noblewoman, who learned it from China

Cultures are constantly taking ideas from each orher
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨You earned some more dislikes⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:
I don’t have much experience with that community, but from the little I’ve seen, agreed. It’s not good.

A good forum design will only get you so far, the rest is up to the moderators. If you let bad actors in, it doesn’t matter how you designed your forum, they will poison the well.

The best communities I’ve been in are in independent old-style forums. One of them is Tildes. Most of these don’t feature downvotes (or upvotes for that matter) and are honestly the better places to have discussions IMO.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨You earned some more dislikes⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:
Dogpile on them
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨You earned some more dislikes⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

It basically just turns a discussion forum into Disneyland, where everyone is happy all the time, because there’s no other option

In my experience, that’s not what happens
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨You earned some more dislikes⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:
Yeah, something that is becoming very clear in these replies is that people got used to Reddit way of things.

Perhaps it’s one of those things that you have to experience for yourself.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨You earned some more dislikes⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:
It has nothing to do with explaining oneself, but more about fostering discussion. You can check my earlier reply where I explain it better.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨You earned some more dislikes⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

I will basically always happily downvote people whining about downvotes. Especially if the whining is preemptive.

Considering the point of the comment - and the post being about downvotes - my edit was meant to illustrate the point, not to whine.

Regardless, about another thing that I feel is more relevant:

If I were going to turn every downvote into a conversation I’d be at this all day. And it would further encourage bad behavior because any engagement is good engagement right?: If you can pull someone into a quagmire of discussion then ragebait comments and posts would be the order of the day.

To me this is not… A healthy way to interact with forums. You don’t have to engage with every post or comment you come across, be it with commenting or voting. You’re “allowed” to be neutral, to not know, to not have an opinion, or to simply not want to engage.

And if you feel that someone is pulling you into a pointless argument, you can just walk away. Having the last word != being right, as a lot of people misunderstand.

And if people posting ragebaits becomes an issue, downvoting or replying to them won’t solve anything. The problem would need to be fixed on a more fundamental level, but that’s another can of worms that mods need to figure out on their own communities. As for me, I simply walked away, as I did with Reddit and others
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨You earned some more dislikes⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:
I have more respect for you for explaining and taking the time to reply. I have even upvoted your comment, despite disagreeing with it.

For me, upvotes and downvotes should not be used as agree/disagree buttons. Instead, they should be about “brings interesting points to the table"/"this comment adds nothing”.

But that’s not how the majority of people view them. Realizing that, that’s why I don’t believe this system works, as it dicentivizes discussions and - in my opinion - helps creating echo chambers.

A good example of a forum that uses only upvotes is Tildes. You need an invite to participate, but you can lurk and see what people do over there. Popular opinions still get to the top and get highlighted (resolving the issue of most helpful comments appearing first), and less popular opinions still appear down below. But here’s the thing: in my experience in that forum, those less popular opinions are engaged with, far more than what I see in Reddit, piefed or lemmy. Why? Because you can’t downvote them. There’s no button for that. If you want to express disagreement, you actually have to do that.

Because otherwise, using my comment as example: - what did people disagree with? 1. The suggestion that the downvote button shouldn’t exist? 2. The suggestion that neither of them should exist? 3. Me calling 4chan community trash? 4. All of the above?

No discussion is added, no new insights appear, nothing. Without your comment, this comment that I’m writing now wouldn’t exist either.

Thus my point, we are discussing and bringing new ideas to the table.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨You earned some more dislikes⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:
Might be the community. Voyager here shows downvote buttons (in my lemmy.world account)
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨You earned some more dislikes⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:
I wish lemmy and piefed didn’t use downvotes.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Do you prefer fluffy UI over Liquid Glass?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:
I’m having a hard time understanding where this is coming from.

Vista was hated for a lot of reasons, but visual design wasn’t one of them. If anything it was one of the few things it got right, and why Windows 7 built upon it.