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If everybody else is crazy but you, it’s time to take a look in the mirror.
The fediverse isn’t worth saving after all.
The god complex is unreal.
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Submitted 2 weeks ago by SailorFuzz@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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doeknius_gloek@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Atropos@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
All the
whoreslemmings andpoliticiansother lemmings will look up and shout ‘Save us!’ ‘Please go away’… and I’ll whisper ‘no.’"Trampampoline@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Don’t you see? He could’ve saved us, now we’re all doooooooooomed! (for some reason)
/s
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Impound4017@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
As they say: if everywhere you go smells like shit; check your shoe.
Angular@crazypeople.online 2 weeks ago
The reverse doesn’t need “saving”, it’s not going anywhere. Yeah, he sounds like the exact type of person that ruined Reddit.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
You hear that, everyone!? There’s now enough Lemmy users to actually harass a person!
Oisteink@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
But it’s hard to disagree
SailorFuzz@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Actually, it’s super easy, barely an inconvenience.
FoxtrotDeltaTango@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Yeah, well said
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I read this earlier, some notes:
They’re upset that people they thought would agree with this course of action “turned on them.” There’s clearly zero self reflection.
Everyone else, though, enjoy your toxic, xenophobic, knee-jerk-to-violence, purity-testing, and harassing-anyone-who-doesn’t-fall-in-line cess pit. One day you, too, will do or say something that doesn’t toe the line and you’ll be right where I am.
This idiot is whining about a self-inflicted wound, literally nobody gave a shit about what they said it’s what they did.
Also note that they keep digging deeper into “I have to have the last word so I have to remove any and all ways for people to reply to me. I won, I know I did. They’re just all out to get me.” Just really pathetic conspiratorial thinking to justify the fact that they did something fucking idiotic and people to them to task for it.
Not one person would give a shit if they bitched about it on Lemmy, but “taking matters into their own hands” (as in the original post said “somebody had to!” because they had to don’t you see? what a fucking lummox.) and not being open in an OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITY.
SailorFuzz@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This idiot is whining about a self-inflicted wound, literally nobody gave a shit about what they said it’s what they did.
Exactly. It’s Lemmy. I’ve had unpopular takes, I’ve had shit takes and hot takes… I take them all in stride. Let the downvotes hit, it’s fine.
What I didn’t do is go “ohyea you don’t agree with me? I’ll show you!!” and then try to censor their voices by using whatever power I had.
pentastarm@piefed.ca 2 weeks ago
I feel like down votes/up votes aren’t, or weren’t, supposed to be the focus here. Heck, on Voyager, I hide the vote numbers. Why are fake Internet points so important to people??
But yeah, dude didn’t even consider that maybe it’s them that fucked up. Just doubled down and noped out to preserve their ego.
Malyca@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
People with no respect for the agency of others scare the shit out of me, as funny as this idiot is. It scares me to think about how many there are just like him.
whoisearth@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Bingo. I’ve been banned from a few communities because God forbid I have an opinion that doesn’t align with the mods. You think I care? No. Because I control what I can and accept what I can’t.
Triumph@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
Huh. I say whatever I think I should. Most of the time it's fine, people like it. Sometimes nobody cares. Sometimes people think I'm wrong.
That's just like, life, man.
fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 2 weeks ago
I rarely read replies to my comments.
Grimy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
He banned WholesomeYuri by using a shadowban list and infecting other instances with it.
I don’t see any harrassment or toxicity from that sub but I sure see it in his actions. I probably would have let this go already if he wasn’t such a massive hypocrite.
aizakku@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Taking things into one hands while trying to steer many communities with a heavy fist (blacklisting without admin’s knowledge) seems like very sociopathic behaviour. Hopefully he’s just a kid and will grow out of the childish behaviour what appears to boil down that we need him and he doesn’t need us? I don’t think he deserves death threats but AdmiralPatrivcks behaviour demonstrates reason #3221 why we need decentralization like the fediverse.
There are sociopathic individuals littered throughout society and corpos act socio if not more psychopathic while chasing the almighty dollar. When things happen in the corporate socials, they are driven by a topdown without the users even knowing what’s happening. This event has shown me that Lemmy can and will find those individuals that try to game the system can and will be held accountable. This is good news if you value autonomy and critical thoughts.
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Holy shit guys, the’ve actively built a way to DDOS dbzer0 into the dubvee page. How can anyone take this fucking walking pile of shit seriously? They have a raging hate boner and they’re just lazily jerking it.
Breaking federal law because you got butt hurt to own the commies online documenting your actions
The real bad guys are the fact checks, go after them DBI!
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
What’s even stupider is there is a clear record of the traffic coming from a site registered to them, and them alone, whose only user is… them.
CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
Im inclined to believe that there were death-threats. I dont agree with what this person did here, but it should be considered that there is a certain segment of the population that has sufficiently poor consideration for others or emotional regulation that they will send death threats to people that make them angry, and, importantly, while this segment may be more or less common in some groups, that tendency in itself does not force a person to hold or not hold a given view (even ideologies or ethical systems that condemn death threats, because plenty of people out there are hypocritical). As such, these people can be expected to exist in any sufficiently large group, to include whatever groups you, I, or anyone else consider to be an “in-group”. The tesseract dev got a lot of people mad, so, it would honestly surprise me if they didnt get a few such threats just given the sheer number of chances for one of the angry people to be of the sort to send them. If anything, Id expect a shittier person to be slightly more likely to get them just because people like that tend to do more things that make people mad at them, though this should not be taken as saying that people that get death threats are necessarily shitty people or that they’re deserved.
That stuff aside, Ive had mixed feelings about this whole affair. I do agree that the hidden blacklist thing was way out of line, but I find that most of the criticism Ive seen doesnt really give the right reason (in my point of view) for why it was out of line. (Namely, Ive seen a lot of it framed as “this is censorship, its wrong to make software that intentionally does not display posts from specific people/places”. I dont think I really like this argument, because I think a lot of the people making it havent really considered the implications of it thoroughly. Its generally considered acceptable for users to block other users for example, for moderators to ban users from a community, and for instances to defederate from other instances if they feel the need, and these things also prevent one seeing the posts of affected users, they just happen at a different layer than tesseract did. It is censorship, yes, but one cant expect to be entitled to the attention of others, theres simply too many people that have things to say, even important things, for it to be otherwise, nobody can possibly pay attention to everyone, nor is it healthy to try, so there must be systems in place that allow one to ignore those one doesnt want to see in favor of those one does.
The problem in my view is one of consent: if tesseract had made it known upfront that using it without disabling some default setting also opted the user into its developer’s personal blocklist, then, well, it wouldnt be much different than when people on microblog platforms share blocklists with others, or when people choose an instance based on that instance’s federation decisions. I would not personally have wanted to use it, as I have different ideas of what I want to block and not block, but I dont think that in theory it would have been unethical for it to exist in that state. However, while the dev themself seems to have thought that they had done enough to make this feature known, based on one of their responses to the controversy at least, they clearly did not, else the public response to the list’s exposure would not have been outrage so much as “well yeah, thats what that program does, dont use it”.
Part of this I think is that while moderation decisions are expected of an instance, they dont tend to be expected from alternate UI software, so, what would have qualified as “making it known upfront” would necessarily have to have been been very blatant. As it was, they certainly didnt meet that bar, and it was very plausible for a new user to find tesseract and end up using this guy’s list without knowing about it. This isnt something Ive seen come up in the angry response nearly as often as just “he’s blacklisted people that I dont think ought to have been, doesnt he know blocking people is bad, what an authoritarian!”. Though of course, I havent seen every post about this whole deal so its possible that I simply have missed that criticism and just seen the angry memes.)
While Ill agree that self-reflection in their part would have been the most desirable outcome, I dont think it was ever really a realistic one. I doubt that any but a small fraction of the population would really be capable of anything but defensiveness when they have managed to anger thousands of strangers into yelling at them, its not a situation that humans are really well adapted for or handle well, given that the conditions we arose in would not have allowed for it nearly as easily as those of today do. As such, I think that just leaving in frustration, while not a satisfying resolution or a perfect one, is probably the best ending that could reasonably hoped for here. The other likely outcome would have been doubling down further and keeping the anger going, and by leaving there’s at least a chance that they might reflect on what happened once emotions have a chance to die down.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Yeah I think you missed the early discussion, which was all about “if you had just been honest and allowed admins to alter it, no one would have cared.”
That fact that it specifically targets the LGBT community is also a huge aspect of why people are rightfully pissed
Seleni@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That still doesn’t excuse the DDOS.
And given how well he hid it, it’s obvious that he never intended that anyone see that list but him. That’s most of the ‘how dare he block so-and-so’ that I’ve seen; people mocking him for blocking them, yes, but they almost always tied it back to the fact that he was censoring the feeds of others without any kind of notification or opt-out for his users.
Saying ‘here’s my blocklist; if you don’t like it, you can toggle it off, or find another frontend’ is curating, and that’s okay. But deciding what others get to see because ‘you know best’ and hiding that list of people and instances you blocked so no-one can find out what they’re not being allowed to see is censorship, and it’s not okay.
Malyca@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Somebody probably told him to kill himself and he decided it was a death threat.
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Everyone else, though, enjoy your toxic, xenophobic, knee-jerk-to-violence, purity-testing, and harassing-anyone-who-doesn’t-fall-in-line cess pit. One day you, too, will do or say something that doesn’t toe the line and you’ll be right where I am.
Doesn’t that perfectly describe how they operated their hidden ban list?
RustyShackleford@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I find it unbelievable that he claimed to have handled himself with dignity and grace. It’s as if he’s incapable of acknowledging or addressing his wrongdoing. This behavior is almost sociopathic.
SailorFuzz@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Apparently handling himself with dignity and grace includes running a hidden script on his page so that visitors are unwittingly used to DDOS others.
Truly, this man has learned nothing from this experience.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Not one fucking thing. Just keeps digging a hole deeper proving how much of a pile of shit they always were.
Malyca@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
IDK why anyone expected him to learn. He conducts himself as someone that has learned nothing since grade school.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“Dignity and grace” apparently also meant going around defending his actions in the third person and insulting other people en masse using one of his alternate accounts.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
They’re like fucking Scott Adams when he made a sockpuppet account on metafilter to glaze himself.
EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
And like… So obvious, too.
Like nearly Dean “I’m a gay black guy” Browning levels of bad.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Pretty sure I got into it with him on an alt before a mod on You Should Know deleted everything. Weird as hell. Genuinely reminded of those crazy people who go between mumbling and screaming while walking down a city street. Seriously needs to be checked for schizophrenia.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
🥹 👉 👈
godsammitdam@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
It IS sociopathic. It reads just like a disgruntled CEO trying to save face after their product killed thousands of people.
“But, but my intentions were pure! I’m the main character! You’re all too stupid and now the world is sending me death threats because I’m too far ahead of everyone with my super smart boi brain and non-political-ness. Wah wah stop hurting my fee fees, I was right, I did nothing wrong doing this all in secret.”
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Especially if you look at his days long crash out on one of his alts, @Kirk@startrek.website
DonkeyStar@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Dignity and Grace are strippers. It’s actually a confession.
ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Cute!
Malyca@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
They’re all like this. It’s one of the few things they all have in common. Unreal sense of entitlement.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Not ‘almost’.
Just actually.
This a person who is a control freak facsist in their personal life, cannot handle other people doing things that they didn’t vet first.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
🥹 👉 👈
Quokka@quokk.au 2 weeks ago
The Dubvee site is being used for crime. AdmiralPatrick has included JavaScript at the end of the page to send 1,000 requests to dbzer0 to attempt to DDOS them.
SailorFuzz@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I’ve never done much in JavaScript but isn’t (100 - 1 + 1) just 100? Am I missing some JS magic?
flamingos@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
BTW, there’s a bug in Lemmy where editing out a URL won’t work over federation, you’ll need to change the URL to something else to remove it.
theham@lemmy.wtf 2 weeks ago
flood the zone
Wren@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
He pushed a shadowban list into his code, complained that everyone didn’t like it (comments locked,) complained that no one liked his explanation (comments locked,) then ragequit because it’s all a big conspiracy against him.
It’s sad to see someone who seems to want to do the right thing this bad fall victim to some kind of savior complex where they completely fail to empathize with the people they want to save.
Leaving is the best course of action for him. I hope he has a chance to reflect on all this, since self reflection was clearly not a priority for him.
FalschgeldFurkan@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Imagine hiding a blacklist of users as well as a fucking DDoS script on your frontend, then trying to act as if you’re the “good guy” lmao.
I really wonder though what he means with “xenophobia on Lemmy”, especially since his blacklist seemed to have served transphobic purposes
fartographer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You crazies won and proved me wrong.
Also:
I won’t give you the personal satisfaction of having won
Cool story.
Zink@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
The fediverse isn’t worth saving after all.
The fediverse shouldn’t need A savior. It should be its own thing that no one person can control or stop.
Maybe this… Maybe this is the fediverse healing? 🥹
cm0002@lemy.lol 2 weeks ago
javiwhite@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Claims fediverse is rife with DARVO then proceeds to…
- Deny any wrongdoing
- Attack a Lemmy instance with DDOS
- Reverse the victim and offender role by claiming they were just trying to ‘save the fediverse’
Every accusation really is a confession with these chucklefucks ain’t it.
picnic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Now, thanks for the dev for last few days of engaging content.
I’ve been alive for more than a half of an average lifespan already, and working over 20 years I’ve met guys and gals who have not had the ability to read or predict social cues nor understand how some acts will look like for outsiders.
My own kid is on the spectrum with a diagnosis so I’ve read and studied quite a bit on the matter. This might sound harsh, but in the long run I think telling the truth will help the guy. I guess the dev in question here is either young or on the spectrum. Both are alright and we all make mistakes.
Censorship because people dont fall in line with your expectations or beliefs is not right. You will learn that along the way. I was more black and white, right or wrong 20 years ago. Getting married, travelling the world, having kids will even out straight edges. You will find grey between the black and white.
Just walk away if the internet feels too burdensome. Open source is absolutely great, but dont forget that people on the internet are clever, and sometimes even more clever than you, or me for that matter.
Kind of funny to be on the exclusive list. If you dont feel right apologising, thats alright. And even if you dont want it or need it, I still forgive you for trying to censor me.
Just remember though, shitposting is forever.
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Tries to censor people they don’t agree with
Hides a DDoS script
“Everyone else is unreasonable and terrible!”
Absolute psycho shit.
unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
We all know it was underhanded to deploy a secret list
Please don’t be weird about it
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Fuck lemmy world’s admin team for condoning that behavior and letting the human skidmark db0 DARVO his way out of the situation while brigading with his army of malcontents whom he wields like a cult leader. He knows exactly what he is doing, and you all continue to allow him to get away with it.
He’s so angry about being found out, the person who blew the whistle is the bad guy.
Enron probably had the same mentality.
chickenf622@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
If he was upfront with adding a block list, like a little message that pops up, and giving the user the option to opt out, then this would’ve been a non-issue. I can see some people wanting a curated block list to not have politic, rage subs, etc., but doing it in a hidden way will always leave a bad taste in my mouth.
El_Scapacabra@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Okay but I’m confused though. How are we all still posting here now that the main character has left the fediverse?
godsammitdam@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I believe this is what is called a self-correcting system. It’s the immunr system. A cancer was attempting to prevent resources from reaching their intended cells and the immune system kicked in and exposed the cancer to the best disinfectant. Sunlight.
Expose all the bigots friends. They’re scared of actual free speech and people’s rights and freedoms because that breaks their ability to oppress and subjugate others.
And oh yeah, I was on the list. Probably for stuff like the above I just said lol.
0ops@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
The fediverse isn’t worth saving after all
Who does this dork think he is? Lemmy-Jesus?
Allero@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
a hidden core of users that I should try to make more visible amongst all the rage
Good riddance. If there is any lesson anyone should take, it is that Fediverse does not tolerate when one person decides what others get to see.
This is why we got Fediverse in the first place.
zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Everybody can create a frontend that filters out certain words or users on purpose, for the goal to have a “nicer” experience.
But why hide it? Why even go that far to load it at runtime, so that it is not visible in the source code? And why hiding a DDOS script, targeting one instance, while saying they are the “normal one”?
What a psychopath. And they will be back soon enough unfortunately.
anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Legendary crash out, 10/10 fantastic finale
The guy wanted to be able to moderate in the background and went to efforts to block mod abuse comms - of course people are going to find ways to express dissent, and of course he’s going to be incredibly triggered by it.
But his reaction to the pushback has been spectacular, no notes
anon_8675309@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
He ain’t going anyplace. He’ll just use a different account.
wraekscadu@vargar.org 2 weeks ago
What a loser.
Yes, developing FOSS can be a very thankless job. There is absolutely nothing wrong with having political disagreements with people.
BUT, not having explicitly disclosed client wide blocklists is such a shitty thing to do. The fediverse is supposed to be FREE from shadowbans and secretive political manipulations. And the DDoS script? Ew.
While this person definitely doesn’t deserve death threats, they definitely deserve all the bullying directed at them.
Folstar@lemmus.org 2 weeks ago
Is this the stupid bitch who decided to try to shadow censor other people’s experience? That’s some insane projection. Bonus points for including the DDOS just to leave no doubts.
Pogogunner@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
lol.
He can’t control what everyone else is looking at, none of his trantrums got anyone on his side, so he has to leave instead of admitting any level of culpability for his own actions. I hope he does better things in the future.
Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The removal of that person moderating people to the level of being shadow banned without notice means that Lemmy did indeed just save itself, does it not?
finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This sounds suspiciously like a power-tripping ex-Reddit mod, who found themselves on the wrong side of a Reddit bot ban, and gravitated to Lemmy, bringing with them the sense of entitlement, haughtiness, and ridiculous God Complex the worse Reddit mods carried. And, upon realising that shit don’t fly here, chucked a tanty, and piddled with impotent anger and thoughts of vengeance, like a rabid locust.
Maybe they’ll be happier at Digg?
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Lol imagine being such an egotistical prick that you write an entire multipage manifesto just to rage quit a tiny social network. No one gives a shit about your position on the matter, Patrick. It certainly lacks the depth or complexity required to necessitate that many words.
apftwb@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Everyone knows a cornerstone principle of the Fediverse was that there should be secret ban lists baked inside of the website frontend that aligns to a single maintainer’s ideology.
meco03211@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
As long as that maintainer is me. I can’t trust anyone else to do it. But all you lemmings need to just blindly accept my ruling. Trust me bro.
SailorFuzz@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
My blocklist is the only righteous blocklist.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
🥹 👉 👈
greenbit@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
You’re rational and everyone else is an immature sociopath
SailorFuzz@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
is THAT what “federation” means? Absolute power concentrated to the whims of a single entity? It all makes sense now.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
🥹 👉 👈
Quokka@quokk.au 2 weeks ago
The Fediverse isn’t about empowering users and local communities it’s about saviours making sure us savages get what’s best for us.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
🥹 👉 👈
tempest@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
They are free to put whatever they want into their free software.
They are also free to be heavily criticised and ostracized for it.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
🥹 👉 👈
akwd169@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Yes exactly BUT doing it secretly is malicious, abusive, deranged, and goes against core FOSS ideals
Theyre free to put it in their software but it shouldve been declared and documented not secret
But no then no one ever would have used it in the first place, a fact of which they were well aware
halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Yeah I’m sure he convinced him as elf it was for a good reason, and the idea isn’t inherently bad.
The primary issue is the clear intention to hide it. If there was a notice when you first accessed tesseract that asked if you wanted to enable “Toxic Mode” as he called it, or if there was some sort of indication when posts were removed by the filter, many of the complaints would no longer apply. The fact it was enabled by default, and hidden buried into advanced settings under a question meant to be ignored, located and phrased like the bullshit useless Windows Settings helper stuff, just means he never intended it to really be found. If you have to hide it because you know people don’t want it… You’re not on the right side of the issue.
The fact he also included a DDOS script in the good ye notice is just proof everyone else was right. He’s a piece of shit, regardless anything else. Only a true cuntwaffle does that.
stoy@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Exactly, if he had made it public, perhaps even with a collaborative list, and with easy opt-in and out controls, it would have turned into a feature, rather than a mess.
I mean, look at uBlock or adblock plus, both support filter lists and it has turned into a massive selling point.
But he was too narrow minded to even consider that.
eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
does it color your opinion any knowing that your instance had a similar start?
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
🥹 👉 👈
tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Least schizo Lemmy user