In our current system and how late stage capitalism is decimating most of us, money literally solves everything
Money doesn't solve everything, but it helps.
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Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Therapy, is like cars, a sign of a failed society. I don’t mean that the failure is that we don’t pay for therapy, the failure is that socially we have no way to deal with suffering other than to pay a separately trained and certified and regulated professional to deal with it, one-on-one.
We have forgotten how to support ourselves, we have forgotten how to support each other. The systems that used to support us–family, church, bowling leagues, clubs, work–have collapsed around us, leaving us all alone, and isolated, and depressed.
The idea that this societal collapse should be dealt with one-person-at-a-time at great cost is itself absolute madness.
BCsven@lemmy.ca 23 hours ago
I live in an area of high Indian immigration. They typically have multi generational homes. They are often larger homes, since everyone can contribute to the mortgage.
But the main thing that stands out is the children always have family around, sometimes cousins live in the same house too. Isolation doesn’t seem to be an issue. There’s always support and task sharing, so parents aren’t burnt out at end of day struggling to parent.
Out of 1000s of homeless people I see in Vancouver, they are mostly white or indigenous, rare to see an Indian homeless person here.
And then there is the huge community they have, besises church/temple meeting, but meeting in parks daily.
I think we lost a lot of community and circles of support when we adopted the isolation type lifestyle of “modern” life.
raze2012@lemmy.world 1 day ago
we have no way to deal with suffering other than to pay a separately trained and certified and regulated professional to deal with it, one-on-one.
There are plenty of ways. The issue is that some are individualistic and some are systematic. A therapist cannot fix a systematic issue; it cannot get you a better job, but maybe it can get you in a mindset to try and improve youself to get a better job (despite the job market being shit). It can’t build third places but it can prod you to look for the little pockets where some still remain.
It’s not a magic bullet. But sometimes a little perspective can help you improve your life.
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
“Money doesn’t buy happiness”. Absolutely true. Look at all the miserable wealthy billionaires and trillionaires.
Money, however, does ENABLE happiness by warding off fear, despair, hopelessness and all other crap.
Napster153@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
I think what we’re looking here is for breathing room. The cost of living must return to sustainability for people to expand and regain lost stability in all expects of their lives.
Of course, certain people will try to gaslight into saying that being a serf for Neo-Feudalism is the best thing ever, and that an organisation or state that doesn’t serve your wellbeing or interest is the best thing ever
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Money doesn’t buy happiness but financial instability eradicates it.
starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
I heard someone say “money isn’t everything, but not having it is.”
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 12 hours ago
“Money may not buy happiness, but it can but a jet ski, and I’ve never seen anyone on a jet ski that wasn’t smiling!” - some comedian
ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
There was a commercial for a cruise line where the daughter stopped smiling as soon as she saw mom was filming, does that count?
Telorand@reddthat.com 2 days ago
Alternate plan: do away with people’s need to have money to live by dealing with the broken system that puts them in that position.
iThinkDifferentThanU@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Hate (not really) to say this but people kinda had it right with the mobs of grab and goes, set up a day for everyone to get their tariff refunds. Money only has value if we let it, I contribute to society wtf do I gotta starve go broke for, anything like right to healthcare?
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I don’t think “contributing to society” should be the bar for whether someone has a right to live or not.
We are the only animals on the planet who hoard resources and then block distribution of said resources behind little pieces of paper. We have basically solved scarcity already, and instead of sharing, we are burning the world to the ground for paper.
podian@piefed.social 1 day ago
This take is so hot it could burn down the trash heap that is contemporary society! Moo
DupaCycki@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Therapy is fantastic, but any therapist will tell you that for it to have lasting effects, you need at least 12 months of continual attendance.
Now ask yourself how many people can afford weekly therapy sessions for a year. Where I live the cost would be about 3.5 median paychecks.
schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Find a therapist that will guarantee results after 12 months or your money back.
I’ll wait.
Rooster326@programming.dev 1 day ago
Find a nutritionist who will guarantee results after 12 months.
I’ll wait
Find a physical therapist who will guarantee results after 12 months
I’ll wait
Find any professional who will guarantee results after 12 months when the issue is personal responsibility
I’ll wait
You don’t show up, say your week was fine, you have nothing to talk about, you don’t believe in therapy, go home and magically get better.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 day ago
With money, I could even get therapy!
fizzle@quokk.au 2 days ago
Maybe by extension it’s time.
Having had kids I’ve really learned that I need time to just fritter away. Down time. Not for chores or for date night or for my hobbies or for tv.
Just time to do nohing important and watch the day while away.
Sadly I need a lot of this time. Or maybe I’m just running a huge deficit so it seems like I need a lot.
PunnyName@lemmy.world 1 day ago
To quote the goblins from World of Warcraft, “time is money, friend!”
alsimoneau@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
It always was.
Money is how we convert human work into convenience. It’s the universal bartering good.
If I don’t want to do something, I exchange time spent doing something else for it. This also lets me specialize in doing a single thing, which is how we progressed as a society.
lookitsjustin@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Therapy would be great… if I had money.
PunnyName@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Check your local social services department, you might have a mental health provider in your area that’s government funded. You likely won’t see a therapist right away, or often, when you begin the process, but it’s better than nothing at all.
PRIMEcavitationfetishist@quokk.au 1 day ago
Wow I got three therapy appointments. I learned so much about mindfulness and CBT.
And it was years before I dated a trans woman, so I couldn’t even use the CBT.
Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world 1 day ago
$10,000 would change my life entirely
The only and one time i had 4 digits in my bank account was after the covid stimulus checks.
Polisheocket@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
It is until it’s gone, I live in a vhcol area and have 100k in savings, that literally a lost job and a medical emergency away from being gone. It’s all relative
sanitation@lemmy.today 1 day ago
Don’t do it. They don’t care. My sister in law has a masters in this stupid field and was working doing these therapies, and I can assure you she herself is a total nutcase
just2look@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
Just because you know one shitty therapist doesn’t mean that there aren’t excellent therapists out there.
Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
My therapists helped me put my life back together after over a decade of spinning my wheels and struggling with PTSD. Sorry about your sister, and it’s not like I haven’t also seen shitty therapists, but that’s definitely not everyone and I think it’s a bad idea to discourage anyone from reaching out for help. People should leave therapists they don’t click with even if they’re not bad per se, because if you don’t like them or they don’t respect you then nothing productive is going to happen.
Strider@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Have money for therapy… Therapist selection to get the one fitting for you would also be essential.
It’s not about parent trauma and standard stuff for everyone.
Also als neurodivergent a new planet with the opposite 99% / 1% distribution would be very healing.
Yeah, I’m not having a great day.
FavouriteShapes@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Or just, wealth/stability. So many people would give away money to have their own vegetable garden attached to a multi-generational home - they can then figure the rest out from there.
Humans are different and have different interests but one thing common to all of us is that we enjoy:
- being outdoors
- exercising
- having community
- learning skills and creating things
There are actually some people who successfully self therapise. This is hard to do, so it’s actually a testament to just how many people out there need therapy, which reflects how unhealthy modern life is for humans.
The core idea of the tweet is correct - people can heal mental health sounds when given the right environment to. We live in a time where almost nobody is in the right environment for this, which requires what I listed before (healthy community, access to green space, purpose and recreation). This is basic stuff, I think it’s covered by Maslow’s hierarchy of needs - which, ironically, is often shown to business students in universities, but then disregarded by the capitalists who rule this world.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 day ago
So many people would give away money to have their own vegetable garden
I guess I’m in the minority. I’m perfectly happy living in a townhome with a postage stamp backyard if it puts me walking distance from a fully stocked grocery store stuffed with fresh food harvested out in the country.
Humans are different and have different interests but one thing common to all of us is that we enjoy
I mean, I’ll spot you fresh air and friendly neighbors, relatively speaking. But being outdoors when it’s muggy or freezing or ozone-y is highly overrated. Exercise isn’t something I need (or prefer) to do in my home when a park or gym is nearby. And hobbies are, similarly, nice to do in a communal space where all the tools I need are at hand.
So I might spot you “quality public amenities” in lieu of “disposable income/savings”. But I think your mileage is really going to vary by climate and weather conditions when it comes to just telling people to touch grass.
This is basic stuff, I think it’s covered by Maslow’s hierarchy of needs - which, ironically, is often shown to business students in universities, but then disregarded by the capitalists who rule this world.
Maslow’s a great “Intro To” for sociology, but it does run into a lot of caveats and limits. People will periodically risk or outright sacrifice lower “basic” needs in pursuit of higher goals. And influencing that behavior is exactly what business-and-marketing seeks to achieve. Capitalists don’t neglect Maslow, they aspire towards exploiting and subverting it. The ideal commoditized bit of human capital is going to live in the pod and eat the bugs and own nothing and still be happy.
Maslow is for the real people, not the NPCs.
andros_rex@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
I just got a full time job and health insurance, after being without for a while.
My mental health is spectacular now. From the day I got my offer, I’ve felt cool as a cucumber. My dumbass ex also accidentally transferred me several thousand dollars, so just the feeling of having a nest egg and safety is like the world being lifted off my shoulders. Therapy never did anything even close.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 1 day ago
I think money would solve about 90% of my problems, which would likely do wonders for my mental health.
yuurei@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Everyone thinks that way, everyone is competing, and everyone is drained. Money makes our problems.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 1 day ago
With money, I could stop working, fuck off yo some forested area with a fuckton of supplies, buy experimental treatments, have my own garage 3D printer to experiment with.
Maybe I would not be so bland and my friends would actually like me.
AeonFelis@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Reminds me of slatestarcodex.com/…/money-money-everywhere-but-n…
Specifically:
In this case, it was that – well, the guy is a minimum wage worker from inner city Detroit. He didn’t tell me exactly how much money this debt was, but from a couple of numbers he mentioned I got the impression it was in the ballpark of $5000. That might not seem like an attempt-suicide level of money to some people, but to this guy with his job the chance of ever paying it off seemed low enough that it wasn’t worth waiting and seeing.
So what bothered me is that psychiatric hospitalization costs about $1,000 a day. Average length of stay for a guy like him might be three to five days. So we were spending $5,000 on his psychiatric hospitalization, which was USELESS, so that we could send him out and he could attempt suicide again because of his $5,000 debt which he has no way of paying off. And probably end up in the hospital a second time, for that matter.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 12 hours ago
Even just $1000 would be extremely helpful to most Americans, but $10,000 would be transformative for MANY people.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 hour ago
7.62x39 is about 42 cents a round on ammo seek. 1000 rounds would be about $420 not counting shipping.
interesting@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Money gives you the freedom to choose your job
WoodScientist@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Seriously. I’m someone that’s had a background in engineering but has really struggled in office jobs due to what I now know to be AuDHD related. I’m currently exploring a mid career transition to K12 teaching. I’ve had prior experience in education, just not K12 classroom teaching. But I have real reason to believe this would work a lot better with my neurology.
But frankly, the only reason I’m able to explore this is because I have a partner, and we’re fortunate enough to be able to get by on their income alone. We both need to be working for us to really make progress on our savings and retirement goals, and I owe it to them to do all I can to pull my own weight. So I can just not work. But I have the luxury of being able to try to find work that works for me.
With as rocky as a career history as I have had? If I hadn’t been with my partner, I would have probably had to make a living on my back or end up living on the street. I certainly never would have had the luxury of being able to take the time to explore alternate career paths. It’s that bad.
I have struggled with very real career impediments from this. And having a bit of money has made all the difference. We’re not rich. But just having enough to have a stable home situation and the ability to afford treatment is life changing.
interesting@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
I 100% agree. If you have enough backup money, you will basically not let your employer bully/mobbing you, because you basically can resign.
SuperApples@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Can confirm. Once I became wealthy enough to quit my job I liked it a lot more, because I could speak my mind without fear. The last 6 months I worked was the easiest 6 months.
TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
They want workers dependant. Ever since the end of slavery, big business has been trying to rules lawyer a back door into having it again.
iocase@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
So anyways I started billin $300/h
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Hey she’s most people too
raze2012@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Pretty much what I try to tell my parents. I don’t need therapy. I know exactly what stresses me out and it’s this extended fall from grace from saving up for my own house to taking up any gig in my ability to keep the lights on in the span of 3 years. The ladder was pulled up and they actively pushed me out of the floor.
solidheron@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
People don’t realize this but USD(money) is how we Access world wide economy ( and each other), so depriving someone of money is basically cutting them off from society.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 1 day ago
That is the idea. It is not enough to kill people for being weak (unlucky), you also have to torture them along the way.
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 1 day ago
I’d correct that to:
Money helps up to a point, and everything going beyond that needs therapy.
alsimoneau@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
But you need money for therapy
vantablack@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
“money can’t buy happiness but it sure can pay the rent”
iThinkDifferentThanU@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Not saying that, just money’s obsolete, wealthy contribute nothing, we the people make the world go round
nonentity@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
I’d suggest one better: stop gating the provision of subsistence behind financial transactions.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
But then the smart high-status people wouldn’t get economic rent! People would poison themselves and we’d have an opioid epidemic! You’re basically a patent medicine snake oil salesman. /s
Jax@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Stable material conditions will improve life for the vast majority of people. The only ones it won’t improve things for are people who shouldn’t be living the way they do anyway.
Puddinghelmet@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Limit the amount of assets everyone can have to 1M-10M and tax inheritance, so peoples start position is drawn more equally. So the money will end up by people who start with none thru the government thru taxes.
HuskerX@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
If more people have money, they can afford therapy. I see what she’s doing. It’s a shrinkspiracy!
shojivr@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
or they should make theraphy more affordable, so its accesible to everyone
TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Fun fact: 100 Billion is a lot of money. That is only 10% of what Elon Musk is worth. If Elon gave every American (about 350 million last I checked), $1M, that would only put a dent in his wealth to the tune of just over 1/3rd of 1% of his wealth. These Uber wealthy need to shut up about needing more money. They have so much that they could loose an amount that would be literally life-changing to most of us and woul barely notice it, if an accountant didn’t say anything to them.
schmalls@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
350 Million x 1 Million is 350 Trillion. So over 350 times his net worth. Each person in the US could get like 1 thousand for over 1/3 of his net worth.
TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Using British definitions I see. 1 billion is 1,000 million, and 1 trillion is 1,000 billion. If 1% of 1,000 is 10 then 1/3 of that would be 3.3333.
3.33 x log 9 would be 3,333,333,333.333(repeating)
PRIMEcavitationfetishist@quokk.au 1 day ago
No amount of therapy makes a concentration camp fun after the acid wears off.
An1m4L@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
happiness comes from not needing/wanting more.
too much money, as i think anyone can see by now, does not bring happiness.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I might argue that ambition negates happiness, whether or not you end up with a bunch of money. Ambitious people will go into a cycle of craving, such that achieving the next milestone on paper is more important than what that milestone materially represents.
You could make people like Zuckerberg or Musk or Bezos just as happy if they were in the VR simulations they so desperately want to force on other people, just so long as they were always advancing on some kind of infinite leader board. Their lizard-brains would respond to the flashing lights and happy noises just like some old grannie shoving quarters into a slot machine.
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the (now largely archaic) Wall Street trading floor replicates a lot of the visuals and sounds of a casino, either. Bright lights, loud bells, people shouting and cheering and crying as numbers change on the big board. All totally decoupled from a materialist understanding of the economy. But deeply seductive and immediately rewarding to anyone preprogrammed to respond to the stimulus these environments create.
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It has diminishing returns after a certain point, but to quote the great Ol’ Dirty Bastard, “Look here, more money, more problems, my ass.”
TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I think that’s at least partly because people don’t understand money. We could give every American household a million bucks right now and I can guarantee you it would not solve their problems. In fact, it would almost certainly make them worse.
theacharnian@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
What if instead you gave them Universal Basic Services? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_basic_services
TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Bringing the costs of necessary goods and services down would help people significantly. But the opposite would happen if everybody had more money. And that’s what I’m saying: more money isn’t the answer, lower prices are the answer. Just giving people more money to try and keep up with ever increasing prices is a never-ending cycle that doesn’t result in anyone actually being better off.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
UBI is not theoretical. It’s been tested numerous times, and the chalkboard arguments like this have been disproven. Look it up!
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 1 day ago
You mean like when everyone got their stimulus checks during covid and a lot of people used it to pay down debt and bills?
TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 1 day ago
The inflation rate in the US has been above the Fed’s 2% target every year since 2022. That’s by no means a result of the stimulus checks, but it is a result of relatively cheap money and growing incomes without a sufficient corresponding increase in the supply of goods and services.
shojivr@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
well money do solves 90% of the problems
this_1_is_mine@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
No it’s people to stop ripping them off. We don’t need more millionaires. We need our money to go further.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 hour ago
Fiat currency and power. Two concepts that exists entirely in our minds. Two concepts that ruin the species. Maybe we arent intelligent afterall…