thoughts and prayers for science

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• _fryerDan@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I grew up in the church, they will tell you that since a human(s) eradicated a disease, it was clearly god that worked through them. They always have a workaround bullshit answer

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  • panda_abyss@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    This is also true when Epsteiner auctions off a 13 year old

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    • anomnom@sh.itjust.works ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah the omnipotent God bullshit breaks when a rainstorm floods a girls camp and kills a bunch of them. But then they claim the devil did it, or even victim blame in a creepy and fucked up way wondering if they were really pure Christians or not, or if there’s some mysterious upside or lesson.

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  • Johandea@feddit.nu ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Given that that were true; their god also created the disease and is responsible for all the suffering. Their god is still at a net negative.

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    • ITGuyLevi@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Fucking-eh, he made every calamity that has befallen man, yet the shits still think it’s a “good” plan.

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    • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      So existence is a net negative? I’m fairly pessimistic but that seems somewhat extreme.

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  • SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    And a lot of the scientists, atheists, so it clearly doesn’t matter if they believe in god.

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  • cavitationfetishist2@quokk.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    They can’t see a bad guy without trying to be them.

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  • SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    If that means those idiots at least get vaccinated then I will take that.

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  • zloubida@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I mean if we accept the hypothesis that God exists, and that he created humans, he created them with a reason.

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    • somethingsnappy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      That reason? Kill off every living thing god created.

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    • Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      If God exists, I reckon we are a high school simulation project that he forgot and accidentally left running.

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    • Fawkes@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Sure, but the logic reveals literally nothing. I can create an entire Sims world for the sole reason to see if the “turn pink clothing in to green clothing” mod works. Does the fact that their existence had a reason actually mean a damn thing?

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  • nialv7@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    exactly, that’s why arguments like the one in this meme doesn’t work

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    • Folstar@lemmus.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      No rationale argument works on the irrational. The goal is to plant the seeds of rational thought. To appeal to people who aren’t completely gone, yet. The meme works perfectly fine.

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• ogeist@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  At the risk of being downvoted, religious laws were often used as methods of survival. Some groups bathed every so often, others had washing face as a rule, some didn’t ate pork or shellfish as they would rot really quickly, some would not kill cows because they would lose a long lasting source of rich in nutrients milk or simply the power to plough field thus increasing food production.

  So religion didn’t cure anything miraculously but it sure helped the communities to survive and the scientific method took a while to be developed.

  I’m an atheist but im also aware of the benefits religion had at some point. Remember that the guy that proposed washing hamds between autopsies and child birth was ridiculed.

  Sorry for no funny haha :(

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  • Snailpick42@lemmus.org ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Jesus could’ve actually saved lives by telling people to wash their hands. Instead, we have this totally unnecessary blood sacrifice thing.

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    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      He could have also told people it’s not ok to own slaves.

      But apparently that was just a step too far.

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  • SkyezOpen@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I was going to say religion is still necessary to control some people because there are some straight up sociopaths that only behave because of the fear of hell, but the fact that they totally believe they’re one of Jesus’ special little buddies makes me think that makes the issue even worse.

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    • Nalivai@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      There is no evidence that this actually true. Religious leaders say this true, but then they turn around and cover atrocities that their religious underlings are doing, so they’re themselves are the counterpoint to their own bullshit.

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• ValarieLenin@midwest.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Jokes in you we prayed for societal collaboration and progress. Profit and capitalism seems like a major side effect though 😵‍💫

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• Tetragrade@leminal.space ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Actually, I was praying for them to finish the vaccine. You’re welcome, kid.

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• technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  How many people have prayed for the sick over the years? That’s the foundation for public support of scientific research. Science is a social pursuit that shouldn’t be credited solely to some priestly class of “scientists”.

  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism

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  • PhoenixDog@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    How many people have prayed for the sick over the years? That’s a major foundation for public support of scientific research.

    If you pray for someone to recover from being sick, and they do, it wasn’t the prayer that healed them… They just… Got better. Like normal people sometimes do.

    The prayer did nothing but fulfill your own delusions.

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• yermaw@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I prayed for god to eradicate or decimate those diseases, and he in his infinite wisdom created scientists to do so.

  Checkmate atheists.

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  • Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    That’s what I don’t understand about creationists. If you believe god made everything, what’s wrong with believing God used evolution to do it? If the answer is “take the Bible literally”, well that doesn’t work because of all the shit in the Bible that they choose to ignore.

    The premise of religion is designed to be bullet proof: god requires faith, don’t test god. It’s required that you have to believe it without proof. Why add things that are so far out there like “the devil/god made fossils as a trick to test your faith”?

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• ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Number of times trans people knocked on my door to convincing me or my children into questioning my gender and changing it and my views on the topic, vs the number of religious people knock on my door to try to convince me that I’m living a life of sin, that my values are shit and that I’ll burn in hell unless I convert to their religion.

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  • qaz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Too many people gloss over the fact how insane it is that some people genuinely believe non-believers burn forever in a magic post death torture world. Like how can someone think that while talking with someone, and be like, aw sucks for them.

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    • cunnililgus@sopuli.xyz ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Going to heaven is the ultimate nepo and gambler move. Either you are born with the right religion, or you guess and join the right one out of hundreds, or you burn forever.

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    • WormEmperor@sopuli.xyz ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I have been baffling over this very thing for many, many years. Always glad to see someone else put it into words as well.

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  • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    [feeling grateful for the gate at my housing complex.]

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• Tronn4@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Now do which diseases were brought back by religious nut jobs

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• db2@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  1. Thought
  2. Empathy
  3. Compassion
  4. Humanity
  5. Caring
  6. Not abusing other people
  7. Not raping children
  8. Loving thy neighbor
  9. Not murdering people who believe something else
  10. Letting people be who they are unmolested

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  • BewareOfIdiot@nord.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    You mean to say that the only thing keeping you from r*ping children is fear of God?

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    • db2@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      It’s the only thing stopping them, and it’s not even working.

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    • stepan@lemmy.ca ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Is prison the only thing keeping you from committing crimes?

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  • cynar@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Given the title of the blank list is “Diseases eradicated by prayer” this list gets a lot funnier.

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  • late_pessimistic@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Ethics exist independently of any deities even if they did exist.

    If ethics didn’t exist separately, and God is actually the source of good, then we would have a lot of logical paradoxes to solve.

    For instance, let’s assume God is who defines goodness and educates us on it, and goodness does not exist without God.

    Thus, we recognize we don’t have inherent ability to define what’s good or bad. But that also means we can’t prove God is good, because we already recognized only God can define what’s good.

    I might have butchered the logical fallacy a bit, logic is hard, but I remember it roughly being stated this way.

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  • Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Is this supposed to be in the prayer category?

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    • JoeyHarrington@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      No this is the list of things religion has eradicated

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  • slothrop@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Social diseases.

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  • cavitationfetishist2@quokk.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Well #10 is kind of a gimme; molestation is sort of their whole thing.

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  • picklerick@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    couldn’t have said it better myself

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• calmluck9349@infosec.pub ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Covid19 didn’t make the cut?

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  • Bytemeister@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It is very much not eradicated.

    Neither is measles.

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    • HugeNerd@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      …and?

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• Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  RFK JR is obssesed with people getting MEASLES, he should know since he resulted in 86 samoan childrens death

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• Jankatarch@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  See also: “Praying to do well on an exam instead of studying.”

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  • hansolo@lemmy.today ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’ve seen it around Africa. Usually related to where there’s a bunch of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It dovetails well with scattered cultural prohibitions on anything to do with messing with the blood. No blood donations, no transfusions. Likely related to decades of HIV/AIDS concerns.

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    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      People in Africa have every reason to be suspicious of white men coming in and injecting them with shit.

      journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/…/2016-07

      news.uoregon.edu/…/medical-researchers-africa-mus…

      aljazeera.com/…/medical-colonialism-in-africa-is-…

      So yeah, it is frustrating to see when they push against things like vaccines, but it’s entirely understandable given the history of what has been done to these people again and again.

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    • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’ve seen it around Africa. Usually related to where there’s a bunch of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

      So it’s USA again. Usual bullshit colonialism.

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  • WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Ortodoxy is catching up, via fake podcast bro priests.

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• Upperhand@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Image first thought that came to mind.

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• tobebannedbygaymods@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Now let us see diseases created by science in comparison to prayer …

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  • diffaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    What?

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• DanceMomsSavedMe@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Had a buddy mention that his friend has cancer and was talking about “I don’t think this doctor is good for me I’m thinking about switching to this other one” and he stopped her and said

  “Well when are you going to give it to the real doctor. Jesus?” And went on to say basically don’t even worry about it or explore other doctors just put it all in gods hands!

  I fucking hate religion.

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• Phoenix3875@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Yes, but…what about bringing back eradicated diseases from anti-vaxxing? Ain’t that a miracle.

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  • far_university1990@reddthat.com ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Look at this poor bacteria. It deserve life too!

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• RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Plenty of plagues started by religion, though.

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• kamen@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Sadly, no religious person is going to be moved by that.

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• motruck@lemmy.zip ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The people downvoting this should respond with an info graphic. They can use yours.

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• jerkface@lemmy.ca ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Prayer heals disease by editing history. Of course you’re not aware of all the diseases it has cured!

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• melsaskca@lemmy.ca ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Leprosy?

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  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Leprosy still exists, though it is curable. And that cure has absolutely nothing to do with prayer.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leprosy#Treatment

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• WoodScientist@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  That’s why I light this and pray to St. Carl of Ithaca every night.

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• panda_abyss@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  To be fair, you wouldn’t know the diseases that are eradicated by prayer since they’re stripped from our timeline when looking backwards.

  There could be dozens of them!

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• friendly_ghost@beehaw.org ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  You have to add “Thoughts &” for the prayers to be effective

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• ceenote@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Well, I don’t see too many demon-possessed people or witches around today, do you?

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  • Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I do have a witch friend

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  • db2@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Or dragons.

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    • Opisek@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      And that’s supposed to be a good thing?

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  • Jimbo@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I see some witches around sometimes

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  • LurkingLuddite@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Nope but seeing a lot of actual demons walking around, so… not sure the religious folks are winning.

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  • Zorque@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Or tigers!

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• SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  What about the woke mind virus?

  Prayer has a hundred percent cure rate for that.

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• SadSadSatellite@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Maybe in January of 2020 we should have told everyone to stay home and pray for three or four months.

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• IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  screams 14 year old atheist

  Science is not contradictory to God

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• whatsisface@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Which ones were eradicated & which ones were decimated? Getting rid of 10% of a disease doesn’t sound super effective.

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