Also 50, 70, and 100 year sentences for people who were protesting against ICE in Texas
oh bless yer heart, pepperidge farm 'members!
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BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
grandma@sh.itjust.works 5 hours ago
Wow this completely flew under my radar wtaf
D_C@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
What are the chances that these people will get pardoned, etc, when(if) normality returns?
Also what’s the chances that the judge who handed down these long and unfair sentences will get any repercussions for being so obviously corrupt?
ReHomed@lemmy.cafe 23 hours ago
Honestly 50/50
You can’t really bounce back from the bullshit that has just ensued immediately, it’s also kinda apparent to your average leftist that the democratic party is kind spineless as fuck when it comes to the right, so to have judges IN TEXAS MIND YOU bounce back from their previous decisions? Not gonna be too easy
sudoer777@lemmy.ml 12 hours ago
Sanders joined ABC News’s “This Week,” where host Jonathan Karl asked if there was anything Trump has done right.
“I think cracking down on fentanyl, making sure our borders are stronger,” Sanders replied. “Look, nobody thinks illegal immigration is appropriate, and I happen to think we need comprehensive immigration reform, but I don’t think it’s appropriate for people to be coming across the border illegally.”
While the senator agreed with Trump on strengthening the country’s borders to protect citizens, he disagreed with the president’s mass deportation plan.
“He wants to deport 20 million people who are in this country who are undocumented,” Sanders said. “Well, you do that, you destroy the entire country.”
“Because I got news for you, Trump’s billionaire friends are not going to pick the crops in California that feed us. They’re not going to work in meatpacking houses,” he continued. “That’s what undocumented people are doing.”
Given that this is as far left as US politicians get, I’d say unlikely.
sobchak@programming.dev 14 hours ago
Unlikely. The US executes people when there’s so much new evidence after sentencing pointing toward them not being guilty that the original prosecutors plead for them to not execute. The Dem establishment’s complaints against ICE are mostly just procedural; they just argue for things like more transparency for these detention centers, not their abolishment.
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 10 hours ago
I don’t think a President can pardon a state crime, so you need a blue Texas Governor for starters.
gmtom@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
A full pardon? Maybe for some of them, especially the zine guy, but the guy who actually shot the cop, unlikely. No democrat would want the optics of that.
arrow74@lemmy.zip 19 hours ago
I hope they stand a good chance for an appeal based on the jury selection fuckery
brezel@piefed.social 15 hours ago
the US is now soviet russia. the whole western world is sad :/
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 14 hours ago
The US has more prisoners than any country to ever exist. You’ve been worse than the soviet union for basically all of your history in those regards.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 hours ago
At least Soviet Russia wasn’t run by a handful of billionaires
gmtom@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
I mean to give full context, that protest did end with a cop getting shot.
But the sentences are still wildly excessive including 30 years to someone for carrying a box of magazines.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
How many years were did shooters of Pretti and Goode receive?
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 hours ago
First off, the shooter claims that the cop was about to murder an unarmed protestor.
But more importantly, it was just one person who shot. Collective punishment is literally against the Geneva Convention.
Imagine getting a 50 year prison sentence because you were peacefully protesting at a place where someone else shot a cop.
Waterpumpee@lemmus.org 1 day ago
In the defense of the North Korea outrage, they lobotomised the kid and sent the dying body back to US.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 day ago
IIRC some experts said that most likely his state was causes by reaction to medicine or something. North Korea prefers to exchange American prisoners for something rather than simply kill them.
ironycanal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Give the Americans some time.
stringere@sh.itjust.works 10 hours ago
Pretty sure there were missing teeth.
lemonhead2@lemmy.world 1 day ago
only difference here is that the body will already be on us soil
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 1 day ago
It’s bizarre to see somebody believe that not only will a former Olympic athlete be sentenced for touching paint but to honestly believe he could be beaten into brain damage and die from it.
Chances are the guy walks away scot free and then sues the US Government.
topperharlie@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
I want to add (without prison sentences… for now) all the push of Europe to do the internet surveillance China style, after we have criticized it so much.
Is so sad how “autocratic government surveillance” suddenly becomes “protecting the children”…
Fuck politicians, hope they all die a terrible death. They deserve all the hate in the world and then a bit more.
brownsugga@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
It hasn’t “suddenly” become that- every single internet censorship bill ever proposed is named some flavor of “save children”
I’m all for burning Epsteins list at the stake at Super Bowl halftime; but the right to privacy is sacred and should be revered
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 hours ago
The saddest part about it is how well it works. People are still falling for this shit. We never learn anything.
HrabiaVulpes@europe.pub 13 hours ago
to be fair, when EU adds firewall and blocks all traffic from USA, they will have like 99% less advertisements
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 14 hours ago
The Chinese firewall isn’t surveillance, lol. It’s to keep American surveillance from surveilling Chinese citizens. I’m sure your familiar with Snowden and Assange?
diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de 11 hours ago
Yet Chinese surveillance is surveilling everyone else.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 hours ago
This is in really poor taste considering what happened to the kid in the picture.
We should oppose fascism without belittling its victims, regardless of which state they’re under.
Bassman1805@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
I don’t think this is belittling the kid at all. Just pointing out that we’re now doing approximately the same thing at home.
Ajen@sh.itjust.works 5 hours ago
The kid returned home with brain damage, IIRC. Has that happened to anyone accused of vandalizing the pool?
iocase@lemmy.zip 8 hours ago
The only actual evidence was a blurry video which probably wasn’t even him. He was just a convenient political tool. I remember reading a very detailed breakdown of how the suspect in the video was the wrong height and walked differently.
brownsugga@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Someone got 50 YEARS for protesting ICE
osanna@lemmy.vg 1 hour ago
WOO! MURICA! FREEDUMB!
DarkFuture@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
A life sentence for protesting.
This is America.
Our Constitution is effectively over and a frightening percentage of Americans aren’t even aware, or don’t even care.
Personally, I’m crossing my fingers for Balkanization. Staying chained to this sinking ship is not wise.
Nouvellalia@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Two people who weren’t even there, who never discussed the illegal acts, who were only in a group chat where people discussed attending a legal protest, were sentenced to 50 years.
But they were trans women in Texas. So the jury had no problem sending them to a men’s prison without any crimes being committed.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Where they will be almost certainly subjected to v coding
sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Didn’t they beat the guy so badly he had brain damage and died?
MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
Much worse.
He was vegetative.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
No, but we’ve given Antifa protestors fifty years plus for conspiring to shoot ICE. Give us time.
Nouvellalia@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
*without any evidence. That’s an important part.
Maeve@kbin.earth 1 day ago
No.
Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 day ago
You don’t know that - nobody knows what the cause of his brain damage was, but injuries from torture could easily have healed in the claimed 16 months after he suffered the brain injury. It does not have to be a severe beating to cause brain death, unfortunately, just an unlucky strike.
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 1 day ago
I feel like the guy who got 30 years for picking up a box of zines is a much better example here.
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 10 hours ago
Even then, there is no comparison for the brutality of beating a man into brain damage and shipping his dying body home.
Maybe something close would be the ICE detainees who suffocated? But you could argue that is the result of incompetence not malice.
nullspace@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Those floating paint chips are worth thousands of dollars! Or rather, that’s what the administration paid for them.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 day ago
a kid got years in North Korean prison for stealing a poster
The full story of this kid was far crazier than the post implies. (archive.is/kyR8h)
Firstly, he wasn’t in jail for years. He was in jail for 17 months, largely due to the chill relations between the Obama government and North Korea during that time. It is common for US expats to receive special release with a bit of glad handing and brown nosing from a US diplomat, and the fact that Bill Richardson wasn’t able to secure Otto’s release was the exception rather than the rule.
But secondly, and much more curiously, the story spun up after his release looked more and more like a fabrication the deeper journalists probed.
The previously unreported detail of when Otto was admitted to the Friendship Hospital changes the narrative of what could have happened to him. If Otto was “repeatedly beaten,” as the intel reports suggested, it would logically have been during the two to six weeks between his sentencing, when videos of him showed no signs of physical damage, and “April,” as the North Korean brain scan was dated. But Otto was apparently unconscious by the next morning. The coroner found no evidence of bludgeoning on Otto’s body. And when one takes into account that the entire sourced public case that Otto was beaten derives from that single anonymous official who spoke to The New York Times, the theory begins to crack.
It is for this paucity of evidence that, though the public discourse about Otto’s death has long been dominated by talk of beatings, there have been doubts among North Korea experts that the intelligence reports were correct. Of the dozen experts I spoke to, only a single one thought there was even a remote likelihood that he had been beaten. “I don’t believe Otto was physically tortured,” Andrei Lankov said in his office in Seoul. “The campaign to make Otto a symbol of North Korea’s cruelty was psychological preparation to justify military operations.”
Many experts pointed out that though North Korea is often portrayed as irrational, the Kim family had to be “both brutal and smart,” as Lankov said, to maintain its relative power on the world stage, especially for such a small, impoverished country. What incentive would they have to lose a valuable bargaining chip, especially when they had never been so thoughtless before? To these experts, it made much more sense that Otto was treated like all other detained Americans and that an unexpected catastrophe occurred. But despite the experts’ doubts, none of them could disprove the intelligence reports indicating that Otto had been beaten. However, a senior-level American official who reviewed the reports told me, “In general, the intel reports were wrong, as the medical examinations have shown. They were apparently not even correct about where Otto was or when he was beaten, for God’s sake. Likely, the reports were just hearsay. Someone heard third- or fourth-hand that Otto was sick, and that person decided he was beaten. The North Koreans have never tortured a white guy physically. Never.” The official said he did not know of the Trump administration having other sources of information about Otto being beaten.
So you had a US expat detained for an extended period, only to be released into US custody as an attempt by the NK government to curry favor with Trump. But in the process of being released, Otto falls into a vegetative state with no evidence of physical violence perpetrated against him. The poor state of his health is conveyed to the Trump administration and immediately poisons relations with the new administration.
And over the next several months, Trump begins to ratchet tensions with North Korea as a potential prelude to war.
How did this happen? Who did it benefit?
NateNate60@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Regardless of whether any beatings occurred, when someone is imprisoned in your country, they are under your care, and you are responsible for them. It doesn’t matter whether it’s malnutrition, beatings, or if he just smacked his head against the wall on his own accord really hard: it is the responsibility of the custodian to ensure the good and proper health of those in their custody. That is the position of international human rights law. It doesn’t even matter if a prisoner decides to kill themselves, a death in custody is always the responsibility of the custodian and in that case it’d still be the custodian’s fault for allowing the creation of circumstances that allows prisoners to kill themselves.
It is not usual for a person to suddenly become comatose while in custody. And even if that did happen, it was North Korea’s positive responsibility to notify consular officials and the family of that, and deliver proper medical care to them.
calcopiritus@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
So a guy got imprisoned by the most brutal government in the world. And then he fell into vegetative state. But said government has nothing to do with the vegetative state?
Do people just do that? Do people just go “eh, I’ve had enough, maybe I’ll just turn my brain off for a while”.
Binette@lemmy.ml 17 hours ago
No, because the most brutal government in the world is the United States’.
666dollarfootlong@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Also worth mentioning is that he “allegedly” stole that poster in the first place, so he probably didn’t even do any crimes, he was just picked as a political tool
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
he probably didn’t even do any crimes
Pretty sure even his friends admitted he pulled the poster off the wall.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
We’ve had plenty of examples of what happens when you let autocrats take power. It’s not like Trump didn’t tell us who he was. For that matter, it’s not like the Republican Party hasn’t been obvious about who they are since Reagan.
And yet we keep electing them.
Maybe we do so because it’s macho, and voting for anyone else is effeminate. Or we do so to punish the Democrats when they’re wishy-washy. Or we do so to own the libs (and in 2026, to return non-whites and women to non-citizen status.)
It’s a fine mess we’ve gotten ourselves into, and I’m unsure we can’t get ourselves out without a whole lot of people suffering and dying.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
People are gling to suffer and die no matter what at this point, so we’d might as well go down swinging.
I’m gonna see what happens in November, but history tells us that violent dictatorships are rarely brought down by peaceful means.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 hours ago
Oh, there are peaceful movements that work. But then the autocrats can sometimes be eager to fire the first shots. Take January 6th, 2021 for example.
As Nelson Mandela put it, A freedom fighter learns the hard way that it is the oppressor who defines the nature of the struggle,and the oppressed is often left no recourse but to use methods that mirror those of the oppressor. At a point, one can only fight fire with fire.
JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
This is a good take. America owns all of this shitshow.
MissingGhost@lemmy.ml 14 hours ago
He touched floating point chips? Like an old 80387?
auzy1@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Here in Australia our racist nutbag pollie is pretending a poster that was dropped behind her could have been a bomb… and now wants police protection
Avicenna@programming.dev 20 hours ago
One might easily prefer Kim Jong Un over Trump too.
sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Who is facing years for touching floating paint chips? Link to article?
dasrael@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
land of the free, home of the brave
bitteroldcoot@piefed.social 1 day ago
If you’re traveling to NK you deserve to be lobotomized.
What kind of lunatic go there for vacation?Also, just for some context, he was part of Hillel. Which is kind of like a jewish hitler youth. It, like aipac, are part of a large well funded effort to sanitize Israel activities.
Which in many ways raises my suspicions about what was really going on with that whole episode.
Bread@thelemmy.club 1 day ago
Sure they are.
Ariselas@piefed.ca 1 day ago
Wasn’t WarmBeer a spy?
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Nobody likes warm beer.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
We live in a fascist country now.
“But there’s no mass graves.”
Not yet. And it doesn’t matter. There isn’t just one flavor of fascism. There isn’t just extreme fascism or no fascism.
This is a facist nation because it is behaving like a fascist nation. And it’s not going to get better unless voters start being more responsible. And it might even be too late for that.
Rooster326@programming.dev 8 hours ago
“There are no mass graves”
Ask the hundreds of people who entered ICE internment camps and never left. Alligator Alcatraz. 2/3rds of the 1,800 people brought to Alligator Alcatraz “disappeared”
snopes.com/…/men-lost-from-alligator-alcatraz/
Lemminary@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
The article does not support your statement. Even if people have gone missing, the author doesn’t allude to a mass killing. I’m all for exposing ICE, but I’m also against creating misinformation or fueling rumors.
itisileclerk@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Every fascist regime was established in democratic elections. No fascist regime was overthrown in democratic elections.
FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Fascism is proof that capitalism is incompatible with democracy.
Herr_S_aus_H@lemmy.zip 5 hours ago
To be the pedantic smart ass that I am, Mussolini in Italy and Franco in Spain weren’t voted in.
Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 hours ago
This feels questionable at best— there’s a lonnnnnggg history of rulers in countries prior to democracy