RIP to the Endangered Species Act
No chance the US government will forego money for their broligarchs because of environmental laws.
Guerrilla plantfare
Submitted 3 weeks ago by fossilesque@mander.xyz to science_memes@mander.xyz
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NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Get a few people. On one corner: bamboo. On another, kudzu. On a third, blackberries and mint. On a fourth, your creepers. Let the games begin.
NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Oh god, keep the bamboo and kudzu in their native environments. The ecosystem has been through enough!
ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Should add sunchokes/Jerusalem artichoke in there somewhere, as they are food. I don’t think kudzu is? Lets replace that one.
Sunchokes spread like crazy as long as they have full sun, and are super difficult to eradicate, but are thwarted by being planted in sunny clearings in densely wooded areas. They can’t spread into the shade.
Make the land difficult for development, but useful for the community!
stringere@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Oh no! Here comes Wisteria with the metal chain from the top rope!
BarneyPiccolo@lemmings.world 3 weeks ago
Horseradish.
voxthefox@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
My asshole of a neighbor planted a line of bamboo right on our fence line, so now once a week I have to go to my side yard and dig up roots or they’ll choke out my ac unit within months.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
And you think these assholes won’t just raze that stuff without a care in the world? Because they will. After that they’ll be sued which will end with a small slap on the hand, combined with “oh you!” and that’s it
It’ll relatively cost you more to buy that tree and plant it, than it’ll cost them to just ignore all that
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Except no - starting elderberry shrubs is relatively easy. Not like scattering the berries on the ground, but sticking cuttings a couple inches into damp or wet ground in late fall works very well, with very good odds that they’ll be big enough to bear fruit in a year. It’s also very cheap if you have access to an existing tree.
Apparently you missed this in the research I’m sure you did before commenting on the cost, and strangely the people upvoting you seem to be making the same mistake. Probably AI’s fault.
LotrOrc@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
They are definitely going to either remove the Endangered Species Act entirely or just slowly keep dropping species from the list as and when it becomes convenient honestly
FluorideMind@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Still doesn’t make him wrong. They will ignore it and receive little to no consequence. I also don’t understand the hostility, infact it fits the “erm actually” meme so well I suspect trolling.
Zink@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
I think the word “relatively” in the previous comment is doing some heavy lifting.
If you are going to spend a few hours of your limited free time to plant the shrubs, even if the materials and transportation are free to you, compare that with the relative cost of a small environmental fine to a trillion dollar company building a billion dollar data center.
The people at the top might not even realize anything happened, if anything even does happen.
TwodogsFighting@lemdro.id 2 weeks ago
Nobody’s missing how easy these are to plant.
The fucks planting data centres don’t give a fuck though. The guy in the white house does not give a fuck. They’ll bulldoze you and these plants for a nickel.
14th_cylon@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
It’ll relatively cost you more to buy that tree and plant it, than it’ll cost them to just ignore all that
This is the unfortunate reality
hansolo@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
No shit. This post is instructions on how to get an Executive Order named after you.
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
Except it’s only native to the central valley in California so if you’re anywhere else this is not going to have any effect.
I guess this person just didn’t look up its range or something?
Most endangered species have restricted ranges, which is part of what makes them endangered. So you’ll have to do the work to find out what might be present in your local area.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Just plant some American chestnut. Ignore why such a wide ranged tree is endangered
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 3 weeks ago
For everyone who wants to know why it’s endangered: Because of a fungus that originally grew on the japanese chestnut variant (starting in the early 1900s), to which the american chestnut has no resistance - it is estimated that in in first half of that century, three to four billion tree died to that fungus. In the original geographic range of the American chestnut, only 4 mature trees remain. There are still some root systems that sprout saplings, but they get killed off by the fungus quickly. There are some enclaves in other areas that still have a few hundred, like in northern Michigan
Skuldug@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
So the proper name for the blue elderberry is Sambucus cerulea? Asking for a friend, who wants to be sure they get the right type of seeds.
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Yes, that’s correct.
fizzle@quokk.au 2 weeks ago
Besides which, of you could just propagate and pla t this stuff wherever, it wouldnt be rare and protected.
InFerNo@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Watch them care, they’ll just bulldoze right over these
k0e3@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Lmao they don’t even care about humans. You think they’d care about beetles and berries??
Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah I’m sure the guys on the ground would “accidentally” start the diggers before they were “aware” of the Beatles and berries.
lil_tank@hexbear.net 3 weeks ago
Their next move will probably be scrapping all environmental regulations tho
nothx@hexbear.net 3 weeks ago
They already started to for sure.
BonsaiBoo@hexbear.net 3 weeks ago
Surely nothing will go wrong making all the water undrinkable, all the land unfarmable. Hungry and thirsty masses notoriously are easily appeased by sucking on their own sweaty undergarments and chewing on cardboard and plastic found in landfills.
TwodogsFighting@lemdro.id 2 weeks ago
I’m sure the pedo in charge, that’s just ordered the removal of a deep-ocean observation system, is certainly going to baulk at the thought of removing some plants.
LoafedBurrito@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Haha maybe under a normal president, but this one hates regulation and safety. He LOVES money though.
jaybone@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Then apartment owners will use this to plant them in areas where people are trying to build affordable housing.
MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
apartment owners
people […] trying to build affordable housing
Unfortunately, these are often the same people. A developer will usually make a deal with a municipality that requires that x% of new units built must conform to “affordable housing” requirements. That’s it. It’s kind of a whole scam used so big developers can just develop MORE AND MORE.
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Its not always bad. In areas that are already urban that scheme can be combined with fewer parking places near public transit and result in a larger overall supply of housing. And mixing poor families into nicer neighborhoods rather than clumping them together into a Housing Project can mean they’re not in a food desert and have better-funded local schools and a better-maintained building, maybe be closer to where they work. As well as increasing neighborhood diversity and interaction in general. It’s not helpful to profoundly destitute folks who need lots of services but it can help people who just need a home they can afford.
Sibshops@lemmy.myserv.one 3 weeks ago
I don’t think I understand, are you saying real estate developers are NIMBY, as well?
Zerush@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
The law means nothing when lobbies of big corps can change it to their like, paying politicans as their spokespersons.
Smoogs@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
if today’s strategies are anything to go by : nothing is illegal if youre in charge
dumples@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Elderberry is also a wonderful edible medicinal plant. Their berries are delicious and immune boosting
chtk@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
So one’s father smelling of elder berries is actually a good thing?
Forester@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
Your father is a drunk and your mother the town hore is the literal translation.
dumples@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Not if you’re French apparently
Nefara@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
In case anyone thinks they can grab a berry off the bush, they need to be cooked first
Midnitte@beehaw.org 3 weeks ago
Makes a great liqueur too
dumples@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
All (most?) liqueurs we’re medicinal products at some point. We just stopped drinking them for health and now just for flavor. They also changed some formulas to make them cheaper / sweeter
Lucelu2@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Now I want elderberry jam on my toast.
Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
More than likely they do a survey to determine if the beetle is present. There is a whole thing about core and matrix habitat for species at risk, with matrix being less protected.
terranoid@lemmy.cafe 3 weeks ago
I knew someone who briefly worked in this field and quit due to the corruption.
One day he does find endangered shit. He tells his boss, “hey you know they have so and so on this land, actually you gotta call this one.”
The boss sighs and is like, “let me explain how this works. We can do this and call it out, but next time this guy has a big project, he’s not contracting out to us. And the other guys will definitely let it slide. Either way, they’re building, and we end up going out of business eventually. You might win this one time, but eventually it won’t matter.”
tyler@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
That dude was just corrupt. My wife has to deal stuff this exact stuff and they literally reroute, build in a different area, or have to take extreme precautions like not building at that time of year that will most affect the endangered species.
owsei@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
Wait the reporting of the endangered species is done by private companies???
Dojan@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
I had no idea Sambucus was native to America. Elder flower is such a quintessential childhood flavour to me.
Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
How would you describe it
Nefara@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It tastes a little like a honeysuckle smells, but lighter and not cloying. It’s a very floral taste, sweet, complex, fairly unique. You can get elderflower syrups or liqueur, or sometimes fancy sodas, and it’s a very distinctive and unmistakable taste. One of my favorites.
Dojan@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
That’s a hard question. It’s floral, which feels like “duh.” It has a fairly mild fragrance. Here it is almost always paired with lemon as well, so you end up with a kind of tangy, almost floral lemonade kind of thing.
It’s great.
rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Oops a completely accidental accident happened where a van full of pesticide crashed head on into the tree and exploded it. Accidentally. Oh well, I guess the build is back on at least.
pyre@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
even if that would be an obstacle, it would take mere hours for them to change the law and remove the protection.
jfrnz@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
No? That’s not true at all.
frostysauce@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Yeah, it takes longer than hours to pass a bill, I have no idea what they were on about.
ranzispa@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
It does not take hours to change a law, but it is very quick to ignore a law and mow down a field. Now, whether the law will prevent them from doing that is a different thing. Someone would have to notice that they’re going to build in a protected area, notify the police and contact them officially to notify the error.
At this point they may still ignore that, then you’d likely have to start a trial. If you’re lucky and you start the trial before they mow down the field, they’ll likely agree they made a mistake, pay for your lawyer and move to the field besides.
There’s no need to change a law to fix something as simple as paying a couple lawyers.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Endangered species act being removed in 3 2 1.
brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 3 weeks ago
Stop upvoting x and meta reposts you idiots
ddplf@szmer.info 3 weeks ago
Agreed, we have to be super careful or otherwise we may end up generating some huge exposure for these platforms!
brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
You are promoting their ecosystem and blocking visibility for better content
waldfee@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
What’s wrong with liberating content from Facebook and Twitter?
brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 3 weeks ago
You are not liberating anything you are promoting their shit
WolfmanEightySix@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I was once working on a building site of some kind and was told that was known to have some kind of native endangered lizard, we were told “if you think you see one, you didn’t”.
sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Kudzu
Gormadt@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
We want more native plants, not invasive plants
sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
True, but it will fuck their shit up and won’t cause our government to remove environmental protections
Evotech@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They will literally not care
Formfiller@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s pretty clear laws aren’t real anymore. Nothing will improve until these demons live in constant fear for their lives
MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Fear is temporary. Change is permanent.
BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
This is actually more likely to end with you in legal trouble yourself rather than stopping construction. Artificial planting is fairly easy to detect as it doesn’t follow natural population densities, and won’t fall under the protection laws. If they can prove who did it, they can be charged with fraud
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
also unless it natively found in the area you are planting, it wont stop the construction once they realize this species is not native to the county, or state. there is such thing as locally native, vs native to the state. just like agave is native to the us, but not native to california, where it is planted everywhere.
minorkeys@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
They will simply cut whatever protections exist stopping it. Still do it, just don’t expect it to be a forever solution.
davetortoise@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
Unfortunately doing this will just get the protections fkr those species revoked
Waterpumpee@lemmus.org 2 weeks ago
The kind of ecological terrorism I approve
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
i mean republicans are protesting from thier small towns, and some blue states are partially trying to stop it. because these politicians likely see thier re-election chances become slim if they keep going forward with it. some states that is. the only ones that dont care already arnt up for re-election(Mills, whitmer)
Saapas@piefed.zip 3 weeks ago
Easy to notice if it has been purposefully planted recently though. Might delay it for a little bit, maybe
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
i guess this gesture is even safe enough for weak americans
barnacul@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Please regale us with all your tales of arson and sabotage. Surely you have just one or two to share with the group?
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t live in the banana republic.
You want arson?
Today is the second day of protests where I live against budget cuts for education.
These are only the teachers, the most docile group of the population.
Europeans know how to fight for their rights.So yes, I will continue to ridicule the pathetic non-attempts of your subservient, embarrassingly weak population of sheep.
Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
Neat idea… but I don’t think federal law is gonna stop the oligarchs under this administration.
danekrae@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s a good way of getting the protection removed…
Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
Exactly this.
scutiger@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
They’d likely just rubber stamp an exemption and let them do what they want.
anomnom@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
If not outright kill the entire Endangered Species Act.
lonefighter@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I think the way it works now is they take it to court and get the judge to allow them to continue building while the court case works its way through the system and in 6 years when they determine it’s illegal the center has already been built for 5.
Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
Under the shadow docket, probably.
evidences@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Don’t worry I’m sure they’ll pay a 40 dollar fine for illegally destroying a habitat or something.
Rothe@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Yeah, the ship of legalism has long since sailed. It is sad to see how so many in the US has apparently not realised this yet. It is not about laws or the constitution or anything like that. They now strictly do shit because noone is stopping them, regardless of what it is.