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That never happened
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There’s no proof that happened
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It’s more complicated than your describing
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Those were just some bad actors
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Okay, but that was under the Other Party. My Party would never do that
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(Repeat 1. Thru 4.)
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Okay but we’re reforming now
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It’s in the past! Why do you keep bringing up Old Shit?!
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Whataboutism
Remember, they are the good guys. These are just the US ones.
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UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 2 weeks ago
This sounds like a modified Narcissist prayer.
Prathas@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I was unaware that there was an original one.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
why is my diary on the internet so publicly
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Just outside of view:
Human Radiation Experiments, Holmesburg Prison experiments, San Quentin Prison experiments, Stateville Penitentiary Malaria Studies, Guatemala Syphilis Experiment, Operation Sea-Spray, Ohio State Penitentiary Cancer Study, Belmont Report
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Ludlow Massacre, Battle of Blair Mountain, Coal Wars
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Kent State Massacre, Jackson State Killings, Orangeburg Massacre
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
A couple of those were directly profit motivated vs the government choosing to do some f’d up stuff on their own. Yeah, government stepped in, but who started the problem isn’t the same. Either way, wealthy people pushing the government to crush the peasantry for them isn’t much difference.
youcantreadthis@quokk.au 2 weeks ago
Damn that’s crazy and I’m just here snacking on artichokes
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ivanafterall@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
- Boarding Schools.
- Eugenics, including forced sterilization.
- Nuclear weapons.
- Internment of Japanese.
- Hiring of Nazis after WWII, after inspiring them before WWII.
minkymunkey_7_7@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Reconstruction failure, Jim Crow institutionalized which was the ultimate inspiration for the Nazis to model their claimed superior race society after.
GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
And afterwards, South Africa copied their notes to build Apartheid.
Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The US helped to found and popularize the Nazi party. Ford and other industrialist literally bank rolled the Nazi empire. Ford built factories in Germany and let them keep the profits. Nazism was very popular in the US because its policies were based off US policies.
Hitler was inspired by the way the US genocided the Native Americans. This is where the Holocaust came from. When Hitler initially decided to expel the Jews wealthy industrialists lobbied the US government not to take them in. They helped stroke anti-Jewish sentiment in Europe and ensured that no other country would take them in.
This lead to the final solution. IBM and other US companies gave material support to the Nazi. Those numbers tattooed on Jewish prisoners were from a census system IBM developed. Later, they used their computing power to figure out how many jews to ship from the ghettos to the death camps without backing anything up. Basically they handled the logistics of the Holocaust.
shneancy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
could you provide a source for all that? it sounds correct, but i never heard that side of the story before so i’d like to know more
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Hiring of Nazis after WWII, after inspiring them before WWII.
Don’t leave out Unit 731, where they did shit that would make the Nazi’s look like Jr high science experiments by comparison…who were given the exact same deals as Paperclipped Nazis
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Indeed, all for medical science and biological warfare.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I never realized we hired those guys, too.
TransNeko@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Don’t forget that the US government gave Joseph Mengele a new identity. the Angel of Death… got a kiss on the lips, lots of money, and a good luck from America.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I read about MK Ultra, and that is some weird, fucked up shit. Also, most of the records were destroyed, so who knows what else they got up to? Fucking monsters.
WhyIHateTheInternet@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I didn’t remember exactly but also Japan has that unit 731 or whatever? That was insane as well.
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Nearly every country with a government has had or currently has some wildly shady shit going on.
Objection@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Funny you say that, guess what happened after the war, when they were captured by the Americans?
Total immunity for all their war crimes, in exchange for their research. Apart from a handful who had vivisected American pilots, anyway, but the ones who experimented on Chinese victims got off scot free.
The US would go on to employ chemical and biological warfare extensively in Korea shortly after, as well as in Vietnam.
youcantreadthis@quokk.au 2 weeks ago
Whatever happened to the guy in charge of that?
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’ve never heard about the St.Louis Poisoning before… Surely it cant be yet another immoral, insane, evil program targeting black americans, right?
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Fuck
gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_LAC
sounds more like they released a lot of dust to check how far the wind carries it
what i don’t get is why didn’t they just use some non-toxic substance
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
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because they werent testing on white people
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cause St.Louis specifically was a weapons test for the viability of using Zinc cadmium sulfide as a weapon against moscow
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BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Because those fucks were nuts to begin with.
Skankhunt420@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
As bad as people hate to admit it, this is pretty much the direct cause of anti vax people and shit like it.
The government pretty much created the problem itself by doing this stuff.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is why black people don’t trust doctors.
antivax didnt come around until an asshole doctor lied about the safety of vaccines, to sell his own vaccine… and took off like a rocket when that miserable Jenny McCunthy decided it had to be vaccines, and not genetics, that caused her not to give birth to the perfect blond haired blue eyed child she deserved.
Virtvirt588@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Narcissism and failed education leads to fascism. Who would of thought. The system we have congratulates assholery and abuse of power, so I’d say trust issues are expected.
UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Implicit bias and stereotypes dot the landscape of the American healthcare system. White doctors and medical professionals often dismiss the pain of their Black patients. According to the Association of American Medical Colleges, “half of white medical trainees believe such myths as black people have thicker skin or less sensitive nerve endings than white people.” This statistic shows how stereotypes threaten the health and wellness of Black people.
MML@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
The character actress?
1984@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
There is much more than that. 9/11 is not even on this list and that was a huge wake up call for millions of people.
But yes, in general, all the lies are the reason why people dont trust governments or corporations.
DokPsy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Wait until you hear about al Qaeda … And depending on how far back you want to go… 1980?
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Hey, check CIA-backed coups 40-80 years and how those countries turned out in the last 25 years
TransNeko@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Let’s see… checks timeline: USA funds rebels (Al Qaeda). makes lots of pinky promises to said rebels with their fingers crossed behind their backs. and then when it was time to pay the bill and keep their promises… the USA said: “what promises, I never promised anything” while tossing the documents right in front of their puppets. cue pissed off Al Qaeda.
UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Henrietta Lacks
Lacks was the unwitting source of these cells from a tumor biopsied during her treatment for cervical cancer at the Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore, Maryland, in 1951. These cells were then cultured by George Otto Gey, who created the cell line known as HeLa, which is still used for medical research.[9] As was then the practice, no consent was required to culture the cells obtained from Lacks’s treatment. Neither she nor her family were compensated for the extraction or use of the HeLa cells.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s such a tricky one because unlike the other examples, this has benefited humanity. There’s no going back on it and until other cell lines are more common, we can’t really discontinue using the HeLa cells.
At the very least though, that whole family shouldn’t have to work a day in their lives from all the profits the private pharmaceutical have generated from it. If I was a part of that family, I’d demand a full ride scholarship from Johns Hopkins.
GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Her family fought a massive lawsuit about it, too. They didn’t find out their mother’s cancer was fueling genetic research until years after she passed away.
pieland@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
maybe that’s the point?
i’m not saying it is or isn’t, but it wouldn’t be surprising
aeronmelon@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
MOVE must be in another room.
TheMinister@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Came to say the same
youcantreadthis@quokk.au 2 weeks ago
That was just a city not a federal thing counts separate like Gary webb
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
The FBI provided the Philadelphia Police the materials needed to make the bomb.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
So… a funny thing just happened…
fox5dc.com/…/tulsi-gabbards-office-denies-florida…
CIA whistleblower testifies in Congress that the CIA basically raided the DNI (Tulsi Gabbard)'s office, to retrieve various files relating to JFK and MKUltra, that Trump had actually ordered be unsealed.
Anna Paulina Luna corroborates this.
Fox News (nation wide) runs a segment on this with Jesse Waters.
Then, a bunch of people change their tune.
Paulina Luna claims her comments were misconstrued.
Gabbard denies that this happened.
Jesse Waters removes this, his own segment, from his own social media.
Gabbard’s PR person says basically ‘no, a raid did not happen on that day, but about a year earlier, the CIA did confiscate some documents from the DNI, and they still have them.’
… at least that is my current attempt to comprehend this.
So uh… the DNI is supposed to be in charge of the CIA.
But, if you know anything about the CIA… they do whatever the fuck they want, to whoever they want.
There is only a single example of someone ostensibly in charge of the CIA that actually attempted to reign in the CIA and hold it accountable, make it stop doing things it wanted to do.
His brain got painted all over Dealey Plaza, in 1963.
redsand@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
Turner lied and parts of the program kept going. I’m wonder what’s going on with that one UFO guy who was trying to get a SCIF to talk to lawmakers. Subject gets dropped like a rock any time someone picks it up.
Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Funny how all the major parks in US cities and highways just happen to always destroy a minority neighborhood.
Agent641@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Don’t forget the Phoenix project. 85k Vietnamese civilians assassinated or tortured to death by the CIA.
Lupus108@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Well at least Operation Northwoods never happened. It was just a draft and Kennedy refused to sign it into action. Don’t get me wrong, it is pretty fucked up that it came that far, but at least it never went into action.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
IT just means they learned how to sidestep that particular bureaucratic hurdle when the idea was repeated in 2001.
A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl 2 weeks ago
USdefaultism!
literally USdefaultism
YOUR* goverment
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Ah yes the US is the only country that has a current or past track record with shady shit.
A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl 2 weeks ago
sure not the only one, but like, goverments usually try to have kids not die of malnutrition or whatever.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Ron Funches’ routine was great. “You don’t believe any conspiracy theories? Like, you just believe the government is batting 1.000 in terms of telling the truth?”
floppybiscuits@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Don’t forget operation condor and the Jakarta method
brianary@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Gates9@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I’m actually quite curious how the next false flag will be received
Objection@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Don’t get it right too soon or people will call you a conspiracy theorist.
Remember, we don’t do that stuff anymore, it’s totally crazy to suggest that’s even a possibility. Wait 20 years, it’ll come out that we did, in fact, still do that stuff - but only back then. But by then we’ll have stopped and it’ll be totally crazy to suggest that’s even a possibility. Until you wait another 20 years.
Skankhunt420@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Yeah that line on the CIAs website about how “this is no longer the views of the agency” or however they word it exactly cracks me up every time.
Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
If it’s anything like the latest assassination “attempt” at Trump, with great skepticism.
HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Operation Windfall & Operation Pantomime
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Needs more Paperclips in their Operations…
youcantreadthis@quokk.au 2 weeks ago
We have paperclip machines now
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
government bad. corporations good?
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Both bad, humanity trashy species
pieland@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
return to monke
mlc894@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“Governments do bad things sometimes” “Oh you would rather be subjugated by a megacorp?”
Troll detected. Low quality bait.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
who’s going to stand up against megacorps and win?
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Why
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
because you are complaining a lot about the elected governments instead of “I got money, imma do whatever lolz” corporations, which are the ones that are explicitly made to actually fuck you over every step of the way.
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 2 weeks ago
I prefer corporations rat fucking my health and life cause I know I am just being sacrificed the Line That Always Go Up.
Zwiebel@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Huh? What does foreign countries’ fucked up shit have to do with the government?
Objection@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Saying this from a German instance is certainly a choice.
Gladaed@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Just because absurd but promising ideas were tried when they maybe shouldn’t have does not mean the government is stalkingyou.
CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Oh man, this brings back so many memories. Some of those aren’t even mine!
YaDownWitCPP@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Username checks out.
too_high_for_this@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You’re my favorite person on here.
Wanna know some state secrets?
CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I dunno, how much you asking? And will it give me leverage over the leadership of a 3rd world country?
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Dude this isn’t war thunder. Keep it in your pants for at least fifteen minutes until you log in over there