Copilot please remaster Fallout New Vegas
- Sadya Nadella, probably
Fallout: New Vegas dev says don't expect a remaster, argues Bethesda doesn't have the source code or 'the engineering knowhow'
Submitted 15 hours ago by cybercafe@lemmy.world to games@lemmy.world
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realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 14 hours ago
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 hours ago
Yeah, we know Bethseda does not have ‘the engineering knowhow’, we’ve known that for like a decade now.
BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
this comment is so filled with disinformation that it must be ragebait
for one, the bonus was a tacked on thing bethesda threw in as a freebie, which obsidian devs (i think it was sawyer) said would just be going to the shareholders/business people up stairs
for two, obsidian is the one who set the timeframe to make the game, and obsidian is the one who denied the devs more time, no matter how much they asked
for three, thats not objective in the slightest
for four, only for the first quarter of the game. the rest being a bunch of almost optional fetch quests, with some main quests sprinkled in
for five, not confirmed anywhere
for six, because obsidian was ran like absolute garbage back then and couldnt even afford another month to fix bugs because they would have went under due to the incompitance of the ceos of obsidian
my internet is not good right now so i dont feel like finding sources, but i know sawyer, avellone, and a few other obsidian devs have said as much
Bananskal@nord.pub 6 hours ago
I like your username.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
New Vegas doesnt need a remaster, anyway.
It needs a Remake
BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
with the cut content restored and an actually fleshed out legion
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
and less loading screens, especially around new vegas, because they had to cater to the ram limits of the consoles at the time.
graynk@discuss.tchncs.de 3 hours ago
I’m of a firm opinion that no game needs a remake. Fixing up old games so that they can be played on modern systems - yes please. Remaking the same game but “”“better”“” - no thanks, I’d rather see something original and new come out
There are some exceptions like Pathologic 2 which is basically a remake but also a reimagining, but those are exceedingly rare.
sturmblast@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Sequql…
TheGreenWizard@lemmy.zip 7 hours ago
Bethesda really shouldn’t be allowed to own these IPs anymore at this point, idk who in the AAA scene would do a better job, but something’s gotta give. They don’t give a single shit.
echodot@feddit.uk 6 hours ago
The AAA industry is obsessed with using their own game engines, to the point where the AA industry can run circles around them using Unreal.
You can give the IP to a random Norwegian (they’re always Scandinavian) game studio you’ve never heard of before and get a better product.
njm1314@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
They didn’t need to add the last part but I’m so glad that they did
tourist@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Todd Howard seething
fun_times@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
I dream of a sequel that focuses on the consequences of the legion falling apart after the second battle of hoover dam.
Basically a game where one faction wants to turn the remnants of the legion into a unified democratic republic (perhaps a mixture of the Roman senate and the NCR), another faction wants to find a new caesar (and possibly reform some of the stupider sides of the old legion) and a third faction just wants to go back to being a bunch of independent tribes that only trade with each other.
You would play as the grown up child of a legionaire who died at hoover dam and a slave who was sold off to somewhere else when you were young.
slaacaa@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Copilot: New Vegas
akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone 12 hours ago
Virginity: I’m the only thing you can lose and never get back 🥰 Source code: Hold my beer 🍺
Kolanaki@pawb.social 10 hours ago
Well yeah.
It was made by Obsidian, not Bethesda.
vga@sopuli.xyz 6 hours ago
They could hand it over to Nightdive Studios. They did a banger job with System Shock.
Brkdncr@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Just make a new game. This remaster bullshit is awful. You don’t even need to make a new game engine, just use the assets you have and make more stories. Call it a dlc and put the original game out there for $20 and the dlc for $50 and all you had to really invest in were story writers, a few expensive devs to make new assets, and a room of 1099s to help fix code issues.
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 25 minutes ago
Remastering and remaking an existing game is much easier than making a new game that’s actually good. Why do you think so many AAA companies have become obsessed with remakes and remasters? They’ve lost the creative talent to be able to make brand new hit games. And they’re too risk-averse to even try!
If you want new games that are actually good and innovative, your best bet is indie games. Indie games are more innovative and less risk-averse, operating on a sink-or-swim model (many separate indie game devs all competing).
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 hours ago
See there are a couple of problems with this plan.
- Emil Pagliarulo is complete self-sucking hack at this point, who quite literally could not write a coherent, engaging story, with characters that actually act and speak like human beings, in a world that is actually consistent and makes sense… if he tried.
As evidence of this, please see anything he’s done in the last decade.
So unless you’re gonna fire him and everyone he’s molded, no shot.
He was also the design director of Fallout 76 and Starfield.
Which are essentially perfect examples of both incompetent game design and execution of ssid design.
Literally, he is the primary problem with Bethesda as a game developing company.
- The entire problem is that you, like the rest of AAA gaming, have the game dev prioritization backwards.
You want the actual experts to fix and refactor the engine. Having contractors do all that for the last decade plus is why everything is broken now; bandaids upon bandaids produces code necrosis.
Assets, on the other hand, are broadly much simpler, (presuming you habe templates and standards as determined by the engine), and there are way more people who can produce quality assets than there are people who can fix and refactor core engine code competently.
Brkdncr@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Fnv was nearly unplayable at release due to bugs…
RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
I do find it odd that Bethesda, as the IP rights holder and publisher of the game, was not given a copy of the source code? Whats the story with that?
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 39 minutes ago
I mean this politely but… read the article?
DarkMetatron@feddit.org 4 hours ago
Source code gets lost all the time, for all kinds of reasons.
pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Let me guess someone stole their sourcecode
BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip 8 hours ago
Obsidian hasn’t made a good game since… So why are they throwing shade?
graynk@discuss.tchncs.de 3 hours ago
I take it you haven’t played Pentiment
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Have you considered doing an AMA on your life as a blind person ?
BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip 49 minutes ago
I’m afraid I’d be unable to respond to all the questions since I can’t read!
BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
avowed was not bad. outer worlds tho…😬
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Outer Worlds was fantastic.
Can you make legitimate criticisms about some of it? Sure. You can make legitimate criticisms about anything.
But the overwhelming amount of hate I’ve seen was from fanboys who deluded themselves into thinking it was gonna be New Vegas in space, When nothing even remotely close to that was hinted.
Also, they’ve made a TON of fantastic games.
Alpha Protocol was a mindblowing game with a depth and complexity that still makes it playable today, 16 years later (technically it came out before New Vegas, but Alpha Protocol doesnt get enough love so I’ll mention it when ever I can)
As for post-New Vegas games…
Stick of Truth was wildly succesful
Pillars of Eternity was wildly successful, and created a franchise for them.
Tyranny was fantastic and fresh
Outer Worlds I already covered.
Never played Grounded but it must be wildly fuckin popular to be getting a sequel and a TV show.
Dearth@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
I never played new Vegas. I hadn’t played a fallout game since fallout 2. I bought new Vegas when it was on steam sale for $0.99. I was having fun playing, exploring the wastes. Got about 20 hours into it and now it won’t open. Game crashes as soon as i click load save.
So disappointing. I finally get to new Vegas and meet mr house. And i can’t do anything else.
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 9 hours ago
If you’re on windows this is a relatively easy fix, I believe you’re looking for the “4GB patch”. I believe anyway. There’s a patcher out there that fixes it up easy.
I hate to say it but… Linux really shines here. The backwards compatibility is insane and it really does just work. If you have a deck it just sings, in fact the deck is one of the best ways to play the older games
kboy101222@sh.itjust.works 10 hours ago
You absolutely have to play with mods. I’d recommend doing at least the basics of Viva New Vegas. Sadly NV is old enough now and from that era where compatibility wasn’t quite figured out yet. Thankfully, if you do the basic installation (and likely even the full install), you should be able to play your old save as it doesn’t add any content to the game, just bug fixes and QoL features
Kolanaki@pawb.social 9 hours ago
As was mentioned a moment ago, you may need the 4GB+ patch if your system has more than 4 gigs of RAM, but it would also help to use the Unofficial Patch too.
psx_crab@lemmy.zip 11 hours ago
That’s a bit silly thing to say tbh. There’s nothing special about NV that can’t be recreated without source code.
rhombus@sh.itjust.works 29 minutes ago
They can’t really remaster without the source code, especially if they wanted to go the route of Oblivion and tack a new rendering engine onto the old game logic. They’d have to remake the game from scratch, which would definitely make a better product, but is wayyyyy more work.
thermal_shock@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Especially when the community makes games like fallout London on their own time. Fucking copout from weak ass developers.
psx_crab@lemmy.zip 6 hours ago
Tbf he’s a writer, left obsidian long ago, and only info of this is a few dev inside bethesda who probably don’t care enough to answer him seriously
NeptuneOrbit@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Reboot reboot reboot
Renacles@lemmy.world 37 minutes ago
That sounds a bit strange, the source code for nearly every script that handles quests, mechanics and such is bundled with the game and what modders have been using since release.
Unless I’m misunderstanding something, I don’t see why a remaster like Oblivion’s would be impossible. It runs on top of the original game anyways.
rhombus@sh.itjust.works 20 minutes ago
That’s a solid point. Assuming their bespoke Unreal Engine/Gamebryo hybrid engine can run the scripts, there’s no reason it couldn’t be “remastered” in the same way.