In retrospect we probably shouldn’t have let a paedophile destroy the country.
North America contains some of the longest continuous decididous forest records on the planet.
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webkitten@piefed.social 1 month ago
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Nobody could possibly have seen that coming.
Zron@lemmy.world 1 month ago
There couldn’t have possibly been a detailed plan released by a conservative think tank that was actively involved in his election campaign.
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 1 month ago
If democracy is by the people, of the people, for the people-- does that mean people are pedophiles?
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
Unfortunately, it kinda low key does.
BillyClark@piefed.social 1 month ago
This is so outrageous that I find it hard to believe. The cost of the entire US Forest Service must be minuscule, especially if you compare it to cost of waging unnecessary, illegal, and unethical wars all over the planet.
romanticremedy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
It’s about removing roadblock to “national parks are open for business”
errer@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It’s actually $9B a year…which I wouldn’t call “minuscule” like PBS was.
AugustWest@lemmy.world 1 month ago
0.1% of annual spending is minuscule.
Rothe@piefed.social 1 month ago
The point is Trump will never do anything that isn’t for deeply personal reasons. And he would never do anything solely to save money on the budget, he doesn’t care about that at all. So either he does this out of pure spite, because it is a “liberal” thing, or more likely he does it because he has been bribed by whatever industries are eager to turn all that forest into shortsighted profit.
d00ery@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Wildland Fire Management and the Wildfire Adjustment
The largest share of FS appropriations goes to the WFM account. The WFM appropriation funds preparedness, or fire prevention, detection, equipment and training; wildfire suppression; and salaries and expenses.
Overall, in FY2025, 51% of the agency’s discretionary appropriations, including supplemental appropriations, were provided for these two accounts (26% WFM, 25% wildfire adjustment).
LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yeah this is more of a re-org than an elimination. nytimes.com/…/forest-service-research-stations.ht…
Still seems like it might cause problems but it’s not the catastrophic change some people are making it out to be. And the Forest Service isn’t just a bunch of tree-hugging conservationists their mission is basically the sustainable exploitation of US forests. So for that reason they are very important to industry.
ooterness@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It’s “just a reorg” where they shut down all the research labs (which can’t be moved because they’re located by the forests they study) and hand leadership to pro-logging lobbyists.
ritsku@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It’s probably so they can destroy climate change research and distract people yet again from other atrocities
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 month ago
that too, the distraction, but he already has done this during his 1st term in some form.
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
This is also the second time that he’s tried this. The first time was during his previous term, and though he was forced to reopen everything by the courts, the fact that he sold some of the federal land to (I think) oil companies was never acted upon, despite it being illegal to sell public land to corporate interests.
Nobody@anarchist.nexus 1 month ago
Even if Trump hadn’t raped children, being the exact opposite of Teddy Roosevelt would make him among the worst American presidents.
The child-raping thing makes it considerably worse btw.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 month ago
and because the base also supports it, because they have rapists in thier ranks, where its only place acceptable.
NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
It’s such a shames. The US had such an exemplary park system, and now I anticipate the days where they bulldoze Yellowstone for a community of golf course condos that advertise their hot spring spa.
I hope the employees steal the data on the way out and give them to a university or some entity who can save them.
quips@slrpnk.net 1 month ago
This isn’t the park service, but rather the forest service, and afaik the title is wrong: its not being shut down just restructured. National forest lands will stay national forest lands, parks will stay parks, and nobody is losing their jobs.
But I might be misinformed, happy to be corrected.
ooterness@lemmy.world 1 month ago
They’re destroying more than fifty research facilities across thirty-one states, labs that house decades of irreplaceable long-term science, the kind you literally cannot restart once it’s gone. And they’re replacing all of it — the offices, the scientists, the institutional knowledge, the professional independence — with fifteen political appointees called “state directors,” embedded in state capitals alongside the very governors, legislators, and industry lobbyists who have spent their careers demanding that the Forest Service log more, protect less, and get out of the way.
NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Ah, thank you for the clarification. I am not from the US, so I didn’t realize those were different departments. Hopefully the restructuring has minimal impacts
Monte_Crisco@thelemmy.club 1 month ago
This makes me rationally livid.
bampop@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It makes my fucking blood boil and I don’t even live in the USA. For all the problems your country has, the parks, the forestry, the public land and wild spaces are a truly outstanding and precious asset. Something to be defending tooth and nail. So of course Trump would want to destroy all of that, because if he didn’t, you could still make the case that he hadn’t really irredeemably and permanently ruined every single aspect of the country.
Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 1 month ago
As someone who has a degree in wildlife conservation and has always been my dream to work for the Forest Services and have a career protecting what is left of this nation’s natural wonder.
And they are doing this explicitly for the purposes of letting the logging and oil industry rape these natural wonders for fucking profit. For fake, imaginary fucking social value of which they already possess an obscene amount.
I cannot describe my anger and loathing.
Wakmrow@hexbear.net 1 month ago
Buy guns
Raiderkev@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Shout out to my wife’s uncle, the nature photographer who loves hiking and nature and voted for this chode to stop the woke mind virus. How’s that going bud?
skozzii@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Well one thing these last years have taught me is that the US president has way too much power.
It was never an issue before because presidents didn’t test it, but this is insanity.
AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
To be fair, in many ways the president doesn’t have the power. But Republicans in congress are complicit, so when he does incredibly illegal, batshit crazy stuff, none of the mechanisms to keep him in check function. Him being president is a big problem, but the real problem here is the complete abdication of responsibility by those meant to check him.
Johanno@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Which is what shocked me. I can understand that there are a few foul eggs in politics and if they take the wheel shits going down.
But since his second term literally nobody did stop any illegal shit from him.
The whole system is corrupt and broken. Nobody dares to defy the president even if they are supposed to!
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 month ago
To be fair, in many ways the president doesn’t have the power.
Yeah. Want a minimum wage increase, legal cannabis, childcare, family leave, protecting Roe, protecting democracy itself, pursuing justice for January 6 or Epstein’s victims, and the president is conveniently powerless.
Want to ignore the law to sell weapons for genocide and the president is fucking omnipotent.
DasSkelett@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
That’s definitely true, but I’d still say the president shouldn’t even have the power to issue such decrees. Many of these things wouldn’t even happen if the president would first have to convince the legislative body (even if controlled by his own party) to write a law. Reverting an already issued decree is harder than saying no beforehand, and politically much more delicate.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The president largely doesn’t have too much power. Problem is the other two branches of government conceding theirs.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Also: The same party has both houses of Congress who pretty much abdicated their power to the Executive branch.
reluctant_squidd@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
I mean. You have to give it to them. They are really going all in on destroying anything that actually made America great.
I’m not sure if that was the original goal, or even the intent now, but even with how terrible this news is, if the goal is to systematically dismantle a country, these guys are very very good at it.
jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 1 month ago
You don’t have to be good at anything to destroy things, which is why it’s all they brag about.
reluctant_squidd@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
I guess you are right. The staggering thing for me is the shear apathy required to do what they are doing. It’s revolting and frankly terrifying, but fascinating.
There is a yet to be diagnosed mental illness involved here, for so many people to so callously trumpet and parade toward things that actively and directly hurt them as well, just to prove some imaginary point.
It’s like psychopathy mixed with a side of Stockholm flavoured bias soup.
alsimoneau@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
They’re running it like a business. Sell everything of value, bail when it crashes.
Zink@programming.dev 1 month ago
It’s like whoever is directing his actions just wants to twist the knife a bit. But there are so many evil fucks to choose from that it doesn’t really narrow it down. Could be a Putin “fuck the americans” thing, could be a Miller “fuck everybody” thing, who knows.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
The National Parks were literally the last thing that would entice me to travel to the US
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 month ago
look at all the Palestinians that were saved because we didn’t elect a warmonger like Harris.
this is an acceptable price to pay for saving all those children.
/s
Soup@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Ya know, if the Democrats fucked off to conservative land and the Republicans fucked off to hell then the US could be a place where actual progressives are the opposition you could be voting for.
And look at how pathetically weak the Democrats have been during all this. They wouldn’t have do fuck-all if Harris was elected. Ya’ll need to stop praising the knife because it’s quieter than the gun.
JamBandFan1996@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
If you look at what Biden accomplished in his term he actually did quite a bit for environmental protection.
But even if Harris did do fuck all, it’d still be better than this
Reginald_T_Biter@lemmy.world 1 month ago
They have been so incompetent and ineffective im starting to believe the whole “fake opposition” conspiracy might be true.
_stranger_@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Thank you. It’s rare that someone criticizes the Democrats AND acknowledges that a third of the country (MAGA) would have to die before things could get better.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 month ago
it’s always about the democrats this and the republicans that with you people.
if I gave you the option between getting shot in the face by a Republican or getting slapped in the face by a democrat cock, you would probably choose getting dicked down by a progressive with HIV and blame getting infected because democrats refused to run a candidate with a smaller cock.
y’all need to realize that you’re just as guilty as MAGA is for allowing Trump his second (and potential for third) term, along with all the horrid shit he’s been allowed to do.
but you go on and keep bitching about democrats and railing against the machine you swear you’re not a part of. after all, you’re getting chewed up in it just like the rest of us.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Can always count on centrists to gloat that no one had the option to vote against the genocide that gives their lives meaning.
anotherspinelessdem@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Ah, so everyone voted for Trump instead?
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 1 month ago
If they didn’t vote, yes they voted for Trump.
spagbolioli@feddit.uk 1 month ago
one man should not be allowed to hand America’s assets to his cronies and sidekicks
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The
ConfederatesRepublicans have spent decades laying the groundwork for this. Every GOP member “elected” or appointed to any role has helped pave the way.Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 month ago
jumpstarted by reagan, and helped along by gingrich and mitch mcconnel, newt was significant in founding the “never work with the dems on anything, until they cave you demands” in the 90s.
TheGreenWizard@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
"No one man should have all that power"
- Hatsune Miku
JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 month ago
I FUCKING HATE THIS COUNTRY.
billwashere@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I don’t hate this country. Just a few select individuals with too much power and money.
BiteSizedZeitGeist@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Nah, Trump and the Oligarchy aren’t something happening to America, they’re a consequence of America
Michal@programming.dev 1 month ago
Was this a condition of the Iranian ceasefire?
pjwestin@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Damn, it’s crazy that we let one guy decide these things. Seems like the kind of thing that should be determined by a large legislative body that holds the power over our nation’s budget and the ability to write laws. Weird we don’t have one of those.
Tiresia@slrpnk.net 1 month ago
Almost as if this one guy is just a figurehead for a larger political movement.
wildcardology@lemmy.world 1 month ago
But why destroy the research?
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 1 month ago
To show the sheer contempt for the goodie two-shoes trying to save the world.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
They’re unironically Captain Planet villains.
matlag@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
When your interest are fundamentally opposite to facts, science is your enemy. Destroy it, and there is no rational argument to oppose any of your action.
nosuchanon@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yeah great, let’s put the logging industry in charge of the forests. Who cares about research projects when you’re going to cut down all the fucking trees anyway.
Avicenna@programming.dev 1 month ago
Eh he is funneling money from everything he deems unnecessary (health, science, nature preservation) to pockets of his buddies, Netanyahu and tech oligarchs.
Slovene85@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Where’s Captain Planet when you need him?
peteypete420@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I should not need to have new reasons for hating this scumbag. But fuck is dismantling the park system even profitable? Fuck is the point here?
Fdr, like all of american presidents was no saint and maybe arguably a fucking atrocity. But dam the park system he helped give to us americans, its so good what the fuck. Why fuck it up?
user1234@fedinsfw.app 1 month ago
Next step, logging
Gladaed@feddit.org 1 month ago
Please provide sources with posts from prominent people. A lot of altered and fake posts tend to be spread.
Eryn6844@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
hope he dies by a thousand pine needles.
Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 1 month ago
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Not so fun fact: Forest fires over last 6 years have made global forests net carbon emitters instead of sinks.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Another 35000 people lose their job thanks to Trump. People who also prevent forest fires. But that has never been in issue in the US, right?
Right?
RIGHT?!?
LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yeah that’s pretty misleading. The regional offices are being replaced with 15 state-based offices.
Same with the research program.
“The consolidation of research stations does not mean a retreat from the agency’s research mission,” Mr. Schultz said in the email. “Forest Service R&D has produced world-class science for over a century, and that will continue. The consolidation is about organizing the research enterprise more efficiently, not diminishing it.”
StillAlive@piefed.world 1 month ago
Both parties same though.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Since when is the President in charge of government agencies and their funding in any way?
I guess they know what they are doing.
Just kidding
Formfiller@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Brace yourselves for widespread Mossad set fires and then a justification for being forced to sell off these lands for “maintenance”
quips@slrpnk.net 1 month ago
Can you source this? Feels like a gross over exaggeration compared to the article I read before.
TachyonTele@piefed.social 1 month ago
I wouldn’t call this a meme. It is fucking horrible news though
craftrabbit@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Idk. Is this even real? Is this a real thing that is happening? I guess it’s a meme insofar as it’s a very ridiculous, far-fetched, outrageous thing for the leader of a country to do. And yet, I genuinely don’t know whether to think that it’s true…
FudgyMcTubbs@lemmy.world 1 month ago
He is moving the forest service HQ out of washington DC and shutting down research. Ive not heard that he’s closing regional offices.
Ive always felt like people think of the National Forests as National Parks or preserves, but theyre not. National Forests are mixed use allowing for recreation and industry.
Moving the HQ to the west makes sense to me since that’s where a bulk of the forestland is. And we know that stupid people dont like smart people and their ideas, so research was bound to get torpedoed by Trump.
apnews.com/…/forest-service-relocation-dc-salt-la…
flora_explora@beehaw.org 1 month ago
I don’t think it is real. It seems to be the oversimplified and overexaggerated story of what is really happening. The guardian says that the US Forest Service will move headquarters from Washington DC to Salt Lake City:
theguardian.com/…/us-forest-service-washington-dc…
This seems to cause many of its research facilities to (temporarily?) close:
nytimes.com/…/forest-service-research-stations.ht…