Save me from going down a dark path

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• yaroto98@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It’s from the brain damage.

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  • Carmakazi@piefed.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s because they deliberately proselytize to vulnerable people at their lowest with promises of belonging and redemption.

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    • Echolynx@lemmy.zip ⁨17⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      And it’s a straightforward, hands held path to wipe away your sins and claim a clean conscience. Of course people will be tempted.

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    • TheAsianDonKnots@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      To expand on this, AA is run by Christians that tell you only God and the baby Jesus can save you. Then they wait outside the meetings and pass out propaganda pamphlets. Scientology waits outside NA meetings. They are preying on the weak. It’s gross.

      Wrong answers only… who hangs outside Sexual Compulsive Anonymous?

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    • Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      And also the brain damage.

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• homes@piefed.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Oh my God, I super agree, probably in a way not a lot of readers here expect.

  Joining narcotics anonymous comes with an immediate expectation that you will “except a higher power”. It is step one of “the program”. I find that propane, as an atheist. And it was a huge problem when I tried to join the program.

  I won’t get into it further, because it would be long enough for its own post, but the religious dogma in the 12 step programs, including alcoholics, anonymous, is an incredible and introductory load of bullshit that only expands into further and more egregious loads of bullshit as you progress through the 12 steps.

  The 12 step recovery programs were invented by amateurs in 1936. If you’re looking to recover from addiction, there have been invented far more effective programs for recovery in the last 100 years by professionals who actually know what they’re doing.

  If you want to recover from addiction from alcohol or other addictive substances, do your research. 12 step programs have, at best, a 6% success rate. They are your worst option. You can do better.

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  • BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨12⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    While I largely agree, most (not all, ofc) AA chapters will clarify that a “higher power” doesn’t have to be god. Could be fate, causality, or just the universe in and of itself - the purpose of the step is surrendering and accepting that you alone cannot resolve your addiction.

    That being said, religion is pushed on you more often than not and many chapters will end with “the Lord’s Prayer” which always bothered me, along with other issues.

    It’s not a perfect system, but it does work for many people and if it has helped you then all power to you (or rather your higher power, I guess)

    My main gripe is that it often focuses on the symptoms rather than the root problem. Addiction is often the result of a deeper underlying condition that leads one to seek escape - be that depression, trauma, psychological conditions, etc… Treating only one without the other is frankly a disservice and rarely effective in the long term.

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  • Echolynx@lemmy.zip ⁨19⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    There is so much hidden religious dogma in a lot of American society/behavior in particular. It really shines out when you don’t come from a Christian upbringing.

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  • WhiteRabbit_33@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    Daniella Young (Knitting Cult Lady) is a cult scholar talks extensively about this as well as other cults. I highly recommend her for more info on this and how terrible these groups are for anyone who is interested.

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  • lectricleopard@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Wow. Im an atheist. Im in an aa mtg room waiting for the mtg to start. No one gives me shit.

    Step 2 is just accepting help. Admitting your not the one that has the all the answers. Every modern treatment ive heard of in 20 yrs either cribs aa, or eventually recommends it. Its not perfect, but I know dozens of people that are only alive because of it.

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    • SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Different approaches work for different people, and every room and every meeting is different. I’ve personally found Smart Recovery to be more helpful.

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    • homes@piefed.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Work it. You’re worth it.

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• brognak@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Literally why The Satanic Temple has the Sober Faction. Secular support groups for recovery as opposed to first step put your faith in sky daddy.

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• thorhop@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  -and then inevitably writing a book about it and going to speak public about it at the local prison.

  “I was once like you… but then I FOUND THE LORDS PRAYER in my heart. Low and behold, I shortly found cheques for speaking fees in my mailbox. Hallelujah!”

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• BonkTheAnnoyed@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Plenty of athiests, agnostics, pagans, etc in NA. Look for the queer online meetings for a start.

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• hobata@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Not much worse than ass prostituting yourself, I guess. But on the other side, if you sell your ass, you can buy some drugs and be good for a time.

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• DagwoodIII@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Heath Ledger has joined the chat.

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• thagoat@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Amen!

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