I suspect people will just keep their existing equipment running for as long as possible, and secondhand equipment will be worth almost as much as it was when new.
This won’t last forever.
Anon is a PC gamer
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Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I’ve been waiting for GPU prices to come back down to earth since 2019. I really hope you’re right in a few more years.
LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
In between the crypto scams and the AI hype, there was a brief moment of maybe a few months were GPU prices were affordable. Not good, but affordable enough so that normal people could buy them.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I think we’re at the point where PCs are an afterthought in the GPU market, and have been for a long time.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I have an 8th gen i7 that’s still rocking it, also a 4070 which helps a lot too. Truth be told, I haven’t encountered a game I /want/ that requires sky high specs anymore.
uienia@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If they keep pushing their cloud renting models it will last forever.
87Six@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Secret ending: you keep playing the huge selection of games we already have, endlessly, forgetting games you played a while ago as you restart one you already forgot.
Ummdustry@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Good ending for the gamers, bad ending for the devs…
87Six@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
If a dev is good they can make games worth buying with current hardware
notthebees@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
Second secret ending: the games you have won’t run on your pc.
-someoone who waited 5 years to play fallout 76 after buying it 2 weeks after launch.
87Six@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I mean, fallout 76 doesn’t really fall in the category of games I’d even consider
MashedHobbits@lemy.lol 2 weeks ago
Real ending: your gpu dies in a year or so and you can no longer play anything ever.
87Six@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Well damn, I hope it doesn’t.
Though, if it does, it would be under warranty, and thankfully I’m not in america so my warranty has a chance to actually be useful
RamenJunkie@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
I have used an Xbox Gamepass trial a few times. Its a good deal honestly, especially if you play a variety of games.
Except its competing with essentially a 40+ year backlog of games I own that Inhave collected over my life. I have zero need for it.
And frankly, its biggest competition is something like HumbleBundle, where you can often get a pile of games per month to keep without the subscriotion.
raker@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Already did this last year and according to Steam data many others, too.
OddMinus1@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Maybe this is a good time to visit the hundreds of never-installed games we have in our steam libraries.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Nooo! I won’t ruin my pristine collection by playing the games!
CMDR_Horn@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
Batman Lego just announced it was reducing ram recommendations to 16gb. Its a start
zo0@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Reducing… to 16GB?
It’s over
renzhexiangjiao@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
a lego game?? when I played lego games circa 2011 AD I didn’t know what ram is
SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Yes, we just had to write the bytes that came up on screen into a book with a pencil, and then type in the contents of whichever page the computer asked for
BigDaddySlim@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Lego Star Wars The Complete Collection from 2009 has a minimum RAM requirement of 156MB. Yes, megabytes. 512MB if you’re using Vista (God help you)
Just thought I’d point that out.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The first ending has already been happening.
The second ending keeps failing to happen. We’ve got graveyards full of Cloud Gaming markets. Google Stadia, OnLive, Walmart’s cloud service LiquidSky, and various smaller platforms like Vectordash and Bifrost.
BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
stadia people got lucky as they got full refunds on everything after it shut down. what a deal tbh
Wirlocke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Plus why would anyone use the expensive ram ssds and gpus to make a datacenter for videogames when they can hop onto the AI hype before it’s gone?
finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
3rd ending: Retro gaming makes a massive comeback.
kokoto@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
If this happens, there’s a good chance companies like Nintendo and Sony will double down on trying to erase emulation as an option. Anyone developing emulators will be targeted (even moreso than they already are), and ROM sites will be taken down making it harder for the average person to find games. Now is a great time to build up an offline ROM collection ahead of this potentially happening in a few years, even if storage is currently expensive.
finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Sound advice!
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Yeah, I would sooner game on a Pi or N150 mini PC than touch fucking cloud gaming. Decade old second hand laptop if necessary.
Corngood@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
We’re just going to be demaking games incrementally as we scrounge older and older hardware for our mad max gaming PCs until we’re playing a text adventure version of Minecraft on a green screen terminal.
Apeman42@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
> PUNCH TREE
uienia@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Nethack forever.
sudoMakeUser@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
The other good ending: People learn to disassemble e-waste and reuse stuff instead of throwing them in the trash. Think of all the SSDs, HDDs, and RAM sticks that are thrown out in old laptops and gaming consoles. It would be great to bring more of a reuse, repair, Maguyver, culture back to electronics.
Ummdustry@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I mean, I’m happy to Maguyver my old laptop, I’m just not sure how much utility that last 8gb of ddr3 will deliver to my £5000 gaming rig
sudoMakeUser@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
That’s fantastic for you that you have a £5000 gaming rig. Not all of us can afford that. A lot of us are still gaming or doing office work or running servers on DDR3 machines.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Unfortunately a lot of secondhand hardware is destroyed. Storage devices due to privacy, other components because corporations are unwilling to expend the man hours needed to sell off perfectly good hardware and instead choose an e-waste recycler they can write off as an expense.
Gathorall@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s lucky that my dad’s supplier is sensible about these things, my family has I think 5 refurb Fujitsu laptops at €50 and €70 for the last one.
0x0@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
You’ll need right to repair first.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Can’t see either of these happening in the near future, TBH. They just failed making cloud gaming happen after pouring tons of resources into it, but I also just can’t believe that companies that make severely unoptimized games are going to change their ways.
That said, most gaming is already on phones, and many of the popular multiplayer games are already running fine on very weak hardware.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If the future of games is barely interactive pay2win slop on smart phones, then I don’t want games at all.
(Can someone recommend me non-freemium slop for Android? Any emulators not littered with ads?)
autriyo@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Shattered Pixel Dungeon (roguelike, turn based) Drastic (ds emulator, not free though) Peglin (also not free) Slice and Dice (not free) TheoTown (haven’t played in ages, but I remember it being good)
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
CDDA is a FOSS game that runs on Android
Evkob@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Threads about free or open-source Android games pop up on /all somewhat regularly, look through those.
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 2 weeks ago
Some game houses are actually optimizong their game but it’s very few and can be counter on the fingers of a single mutilated hand
rumschlumpel@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
I know. The ones who would do it in response to hardware shortages are mostly already doing it anyway. The ones who don’t, won’t.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
plays another 2,000 hour of dwarf fortress
debil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Unironically, yes. Also, ssh nethack@alt.org (or some other server) strongly recommended. My first ascension is still one of my most memorable gaming experiences.
minkymunkey_7_7@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Plays another 666 hours of Doom 2 and all the custom wads. I particularly love Zone 300 and the DSDA Doom engine.
Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I mean, if all new gaming becomes cloud based shit I’m just going to be playing old games on emulators forever, or at least as long as my computer functions. And then when that fails, I’ll go back to analog enjoyments.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Unless you’re really chasing the big name games, you don’t need that high powered of a rig anymore. Stylized graphics are better than highly realistic, they hold up better and longer. The most intensive game I have bought is STALKER 2 and even then my rig is holding up fine.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Cloud gaming only happens if people break down and pay for it.
But seeing the usage rates of Gamepass, I’m not encouraged.
Mwa@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
4th ending: The AI bubble bursts,AI companies goes bankrupt and RAM,SSD,Gpu and Consoles plummet to normal prices due to the companies selling their stuff.
5th ending: People move on to used/older PCS and Consoles.sirico@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
If those Devs could read low level they’d be very upset
Bonsoir@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
If big corporation fail to improve their games graphics, then gamers will have to find other criterias to choose what games to buy, like gameplay of actual content.
If anything, it will leave more space for indie games. And larger productions will either stagnate on graphics or start producing more cartoonish content.Mac@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
Modders to the reacue, like always.
TootSweet@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
Or they use upscaling as a crutch even harder and we get narratives that include your character having frosted glass for eyes.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Alternative outcomes:
Gaming bifurcates.
Indies and certain AAs aim for the ‘good ending’, realize fancy graphics are not only harder to produce, but you’re actually just shooting yourself in the foot in terms of potential customers.
AAA on the other hand continues to double down and enshittify, figure out new ways to turn gaming into leasing and renting.
Third potential outcome:
Something akin to netcafes/arcades recurs.
Rent out a space, run a local network solution and also a miniature rendering farm, all the actual PCs (or maybe VR headsets) are connected to thin client local machines that are then networked to the mini rendering farm.
mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Cloud gaming isn’t real.
Remote computing almost never makes sense. Budgeting for access inevitably costs enough to buy something local - less powerful, but powerful enough. One year university supercomputers could run multiplayer first-person dungeon crawlers. The next year, so could an Apple II. (Christ, $1300 at launch? It did not do much more than the $600 TRS-80 and C64. The Apple I was only $666.) Meanwhile a $150 Atari was better at action titles anyway.
When networks advance faster than computing, there’s glimpses of viability. Maybe there was a brief window where machines that struggled with Doom could have streamed Quake over dial-up… at 28.8 kbps… in RealPlayer quality… while paying by the minute for the phone call. Or maybe your first cable modem could have delivered Far Cry in standard-def MPEG2, right between Halo 2 and the $300 launch of the 360, while Half-Life 2 ran on any damn thing.
Nowadays your phone runs Unreal 5 games. What else were you gonna stream games on? If you have a desktop, it’s probably for gaming. Set-top boxes keep Ouya-ing themselves, trying to become “mini-consoles” that cost too much, run poorly, and stop getting updates. Minimalist laptops like Chromebook find themselves abandoned, even though the entire fucking pitch was an everlasting dumb terminal for the internet. The only place cloud gaming almost works is for laptops, and really only work laptops, because otherwise-- buy a Steam Deck. You’re better off carrying a keyboard for normal desk use than a controller for gaming on the subway.
Matriks404@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There are so many indie games and older PC titles, that it is not really an issue.
Jankatarch@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Ah I don’t care anymore. Gamer community conplains about performance and prices all the time but still buy enough for companies to make profits.
te_abstract_art@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Worst ending: Devs continue chasing higher graphical settings, consoles continue to release but at much higher price points to cover these costs. Cloud gaming also becomes much more expensive to afford the infrastructure. Gaming becomes less accessible to everyone except the wealthy.
Bongles@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Most cloud gaming is pretty hit or miss. Playstation’s seems particularly bad when I’ve used it, Xbox is fine, but GeForce now was really good for me (I have a decent connection at home). Nvidia, who also is helping cause this pricing issue, basically killed their own product by adding this arbitrary monthly limit of 100 hours.
Listen you dinguses, the type of person willing to pay over 20 bucks a month for your highest tier service, when you still have to own the games to play them, are going to want to use it for more than 3 hours a day.
I bought a better computer instead, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Abrinoxus@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
Here’s my conspiracy theory; as local gen ai is closing in on cloudmodels even on modest gaming hardware they need to phase it out to make subscriptions pay. So they buy more hardware than they need to make local a nonviable way
rumba@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
ohh don’t worry, once they sort it out on PC, cloud console gaming 2.0 is on it’s way.
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
If I can’t play games I might have to get into politics to amuse myself. The trick is to get others to foot the bill for your hobby.
raptore39@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
When, not if, the AI bubble pops, they will have all these server farms built and will want to push people to cloud gaming to recoup some of their investments
DahGangalang@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
Second Gaming Crash
Wait, what was the first gaming crash?
pennomi@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Cloud gaming is effectively impossible due to little things like the speed of light. Sure, you could play Civilization via cloud but good fucking luck with competitive shooters.
Golden@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
That and the US being such a large market while having some of the worst internet in the developed world. Last I read only ¼ of the network is fiber
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I live in France, has fantastic fibre, would still hate to play civilisation “in the cloud”.
There is just no incentive to do so IMO. Even a cheap mobile phone can render well enough, and I just hate any kind of even “possible” lag.
/Rant off 😋
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
I play games over 4G happily. Not likely to work very well with game streaming.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
tbf: The US is huge as fuck. Most countries in the developed world could fit in Texas.
happypanda@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Yeah but the ones that have shit internet don’t have money to pay for the games anyways
LodeMike@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
It’s so stupid. It’s a solution looking for a problem.
Scrollone@feddit.it 2 weeks ago
I’m happy that Google Stadia died.
uienia@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
As with anything these techbro oligarchs comes up with. Unfortunately they do have the power to bend reality to their twisted wills.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
What if everyone is on the cloud in the shooter?
pennomi@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Everyone can suffer together, yay
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Would be cool to play civ5 on a long term server.
I’m thinking something that emails you when its your turn too. Like playing chess over mail.
LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Civ over mail. Physical mail. Like those old mail chess games in the times before online chess (use lichess.org btw <3 ).
Move a scout, wait 3-5 days for the answer.
Famko@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Isn’t that a thing in freeciv, that open source version of civilization?
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
“Sure, you could play good games, but good luck playing garbage.”
knexcar@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Shooters aren’t garbage to people who like them. Different people prefer different games.
20dogs@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
I completed Nier Automata via GeForce Now just fine. Competitive shooters maybe not, but that’s just a subset of gaming anyway.