Submitted 3 weeks ago by sundray@lemmus.org to games@lemmy.world
Good to know, but sad that it has to be said.
Ok sure, but how much of the game will actually be generated by dolphins?
This will probably be just another example of HUMAN appropriation when plenty of dolphin developers are struggling to even find work in this industry. Maybe when dolphins are literally the subject matter of the game we could consider inclusivity in its development?
#dolphin_life #PhinsInGaming #NotMyEcco
In the original game I’m sure you had to be a dolphin to beat the first level
You know, I recall playing this at a friend’s house decades ago and being totally, utterly, stuck on the first level for like… many hours.
So yeah, you may be right about that.
Was there like, a maze in that level? I think I remember a maze that ultimately led to a smaller area of open water, where you were just like “well fuckin’ now what?”
Oh come on, I see right through your posturing to be allowed to open an all-dolphin game dev sweat shop. Stop it, it’s a waste of money because the whales always interfere and get the dolphins to unionize after the dolphins earn their programming degrees and then they go out and write emulators (because obviously we just close the shop). One of these days they’ll get in contract with the penguins and might start pumping out Linux distros!
What if I use DLSS to upscale and add frames?
Maybe the new Ecco game will be optimized well enough to not need or include DLSS and framegeneration. 🤷♂️
I need 800fps. One of my Steam games was 800+ fps on its HUD even though it was on a 60fps monitor. My GPU was going at 100%.
DLAA then
Well it wouldn’t be a single pixel then, would it?
What about the code?
Written by an actual dolphin
OMG NEW ECCO GAME
I guess I’m an outlier, I judge games on if they are fun to play.
“We promise not to put turds in your punch bowl.”
“Uh, actually, I prefer to make my own choices. Give me a cup of the Poo-Punch and then I’ll decide if its worth drinking.”
This actually made me laugh out loud. 😆
Unfortunately you are not, that’s what most people do. We should all be including ethics in our purchases.
I do include ethics in my decisions. My ethics simply aren’t dictated by copyright juggernauts.
There’s no shortage of games that are fun to play, you can just select for studios that don’t rely on the Grand Plagiarism Tool to get you to give them money
It's not all plagiarism, though. For instance, Embark Studios uses AI to create in-game voice lines for characters in their games. They made their own models with actors hired specifically to train them.
I think this still matters in a long term.
Good games tend to be made by big teams. That’s why when you hear about some auteur recruiting his own random team for a game, it ends up being a failed venture usually.
AI is often an effort to replace large teams with small ones, churning someone’s half-baked thoughts into code and art. The result is rarely human and inventive; and in a lot of ways, it tends to show in the end product.
I’m mostly thinking of indie devs and how it can let small teams do more. I think some of these tools are a real boon to the industry, it’s quickly becoming trivial to included animated cut scenes for example. I think the human and inventive part can still shine with competent devs.
I’m not advocating for shovelware here or games that are 90% AI, but a lot of teams that can’t afford certain dedicated positions would probably benefit from using it in some parts of their game.
If it isn’t noticable and gives us a better game, I’m more than willing to ignore the copyright companies constant wailing.
AI is fascist. anything that uses AI supports fascism.
You aren't an outlier. People judge art in a complex way including final product uniqueness and complexity. AI is just one factor. Hardcore anti AI crowd lives mostly in their own echo chamber.
Same TBF, I don’t really care if AI was used as long as it is an enjoyable game and the usage of it doesn’t contrast from the game itself.
Being said, most the time when generative AI is used, it comes out sloppy and unenjoyable so if there is the genAI flag on the store page I will definitely give it a more thorough once over.
Procedural or structural AI though I don’t even bat an eye on. It’s whatever at that point we have used tools like that for years anyway and it’s never been a problem.
Welcome to lemmy, your only allowed response to anything AI related is “AI bad”, otherwise the 20 or so people who actually use this platform will downvote your comment.
I’m so fucking pumped for new Ecco games. I loved the original on Genesis and it’s about damn time we get some fresh stuff in the series.
Even better with this statement
I hope they make an effort with the soundtrack. For me that was a big highlight on all games (specially Sega CD).
Undercaves song goes so hard
YESS. I’m super eager to hear the sounds they come up with here.
Genesis music is of its own genre. So good
The Yamaha chip (YM2612) really gave it a super grunge sound, perfect for games like Comix Zone.
That said, it still felt at home with new age music like Ecco's.
The fact that we had a synthesizer playing live music is still mesmerizing me.
It really, really does.
This song (All Good Times, by MelonadeM) isn’t from a game, rather it’s one of the demo songs included with Furnace, a chiptune tracker. And it goes so fucking hard:
Not a single pixel. The code, however…
Not a single pixel. So they will not generate a single pixel, but multiple pixels?
Found the lawyer.
I actually put just a single ai generated pixel in all my games
Now you can’t win some awards…
Ye i just saw a vid on ecco. Wishlisting fs
A new Ecco game?? Yess. Love the genesis versions
Annunziata has been talking about a new game for decades. I’m sceptical he’ll produce a single pixel tout court.
I just want him to bring back SmallBall Baseball man
Oh god this is going to be awesome to watch this crash and burn
Why do you want it to fail? I’m so happy that Sega is one of the companies who does games that are not mainstream boring stuff. In fact, this is something I would expect from a small indie team. Shouldn’t we celebrate that and support?
I’m h god I read it wrong! I thought he said the whole thing was going to be AI ack!
I did that too at first lmao. With so many bad news about the opposite happening recently the brain just defaults to pessimism.
Work smarter, not harder.
WorkStealsmarter, not harder.
Work smart and hard. :-)
Ok, that was always allowed!
I somehow read “not a single pixel will not be AI generated” at first. My brain just defaulted to that. I was confused by the replies for a minute straight.
Watch... They'll make money by virtue signalling "no AI use" and then the second AI inevitably goes mainstream pivot to showing off because they use "the best AI". The trick is to make money no matter which way the wind blows.
LOL, it’s not exactly niche right now, my dude.
I remember getting irrationally pissed off at the genesis version when i was little lol. Great game though.
Thank goodness I was worried the French fever dream of ECCO would be ruined
I wonder if the name Ecco has to do with John C. Lilly.
Nice
It’s the same kind of sadness that I feel knowing that a ton of YouTubers who would rather not show their face now have to just so that people know that they’re not a fucking clanker. Especially if they’re new at it and don’t have a backlog or community to prove that they’ve been around longer than the AI slop.
Not a single one. In fact it will be nothing less than all of the one’s
itkovian@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I knew that “No AI used” is going to become a huge selling point for many products. And I think this is just the start.
LifeLikeLady@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
That’s excellent. And as these mega corps watch consumers favor those products. Maybe, just maybe they’ll fucking implode. That’s just a fantasy I know.
slimerancher@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Unfortunately they won’t. They are earning tons of money.
Blaiz0r@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
The reality is software engineers will use AI or will find themselves out of work as they won’t have the skills to get hired.
Customers may never know of AI is used as a tool in game creation but it will always be part of any software and development studio.
Using AI for music or design assets is totally different from using it for the code base and blanket statements don’t improve the situation
itkovian@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I disagree with your statement, unfortunately.
jj4211@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I could see a refusal to use codegen as a potential liability, but that’s not “skills”. The biggest thing about codegen is you have to review it and just lower your expectations that the code comes from a technique dumber than the dumbest human intern you have ever seen and approach it with supremely thorough skepticism. It’s exhausting how dumb it can be and how you have to be paranoid for every single piece of output. But it’s not a “skill”
SynonymousStoat@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
While we don’t do game development, my company has investigated using gen ai for code and we found that it doesn’t reliably assist us in anything other than boilerplate code. I personally found that it hallucinates APIs on the regular which made it a massive waste for me as I basically had to go back and rewrite most of the code myself. Using gen ai for code reminded me of every time I’ve worked at a company that outsourced code; we rarely ever got what we asked for and by the time we got something usable it still wouldn’t be up to our standards, which generally resulted in scrapping what was delivered and having to rewrite the whole thing internally.
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’m gonna have my kid add No AI used" to his lemonade stand sign. He’ll probably double his profits.
(so probably like $4).
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I made a post about thia exact thing a couple of weeks ago! I will give my money to people not using ai bullshit, and if theyre liars, they wont see a cent from me again. People need to stand up and have some damn principles about this.
whoisearth@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
And what’s funny is we all know they’re going to use it somewhere.