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  • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Once you’ve tried VIM, you’ll never go back.

    Mostly because you won’t be able to exit VIM.

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    • panda_abyss@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I would use word for this, but I can’t close vim. I guess I’m learning LaTeX.

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      • toynbee@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Last night, I was talking to my brother - who’s a mathematician by trade - and learned the following from him:

        LaTeX is Leslie Lamport’s (hence La) macro package on top of TeX.

        I’ve never used it, but for around fifteen years I’ve been working around people who do … And yet I never knew that.

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      • chocrates@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        :term your way to freedom

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    • famijoku@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      :q (my face in reaction to this)

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      • toynbee@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It’d be more impressive if you went ZZ.

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    • bigfondue@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      :q!

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      • EffortlessEffluvium@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        What a strange emoticon…

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      • 0x0@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        :qa!

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    • ttyybb@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Ya, the first few times I used vim (well neovim) I exited by closing the terminal

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  • BootLoop@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Use LibreOffice

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    • Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I used LibreOffice Writer for my coursework the past semester, and when I used my spouse’s Windows computer to double check the images were correctly placed before submitting a paper they were on completely different pages. This was when I saved it as a .docx, because the only two options accepted were .docx or pdf. I wound up doing everything as a pdf if I needed images, but I think LibreOffice doesn’t have a save as pdf option? Or if it did I missed it, I just used Google Docs to save it as a pdf.

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      • theorangeninja@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        IIRC you have to use the “Export as” option instead of the “Save as” for a .pdf file.

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      • bufalo1973@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        LibreOffice has a native export to PDF. And, if you use (almost) any Linux, you have a PDF printer included.

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      • nabladabla@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        There’s a button in the toolbar to export to pdf

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      • Microw@piefed.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Submitting anything as an editable format like docx or odt is a bad idea. The moment a document is finished and I give it out of my hands, I turn it into an pdf.

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      • 0x0@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You can export to pdf and the hiccup you encountered is M$ intentionally not following their own format.

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    • skisnow@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      LibreOffice is as good as Word. Which sadly means there are still no really good document editors out there.

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      • BootLoop@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yeah but it’s free.

        Also there may be no good document editors but there is a good typesetting language.

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    • other_cat@piefed.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’ve been enjoying OnlyOffice myself! (LibreOffice is fine, I just like the UI of OnlyOffice more.)

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    • TheFonz@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Only Office > Libre Office

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  • lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    $150 a year, you mean

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    • tired_n_bored@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      And unwanted AI features!

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    • eatCasserole@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Software as a disservice.

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      • blx@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Saad ='(

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    • plateee@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s $150 for a “perpetual” license - but that’s not including any one drive storage. The Office 365 SaaS (I think now it’s Microsoft 365?) starts at $99/year.

      I know this because I’ve been trying to find a solution for my sister who *absolutely needs* office to get a workable solution for Linux. Supposedly, she has to submit papers/writing as docx and can’t trust LibreOffice not to fuck up formatting.

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      • pieland@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        OnlyOffice?

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  • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    People aren’t paying for Word, they’re paying for Excel and getting all the other goodies included.

    Yeah, LibreOffice is fine for home use, maybe even really small businesses that don’t have to trade spead sheets with external customers, but Excel is the killer app.

    Calc’s a fine spread sheet program, but it’s frustrating as hell after using Excel for 30+ years. You can’t trust that it will properly import an Excel sheet and it sure won’t do macros.

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    • GreenShimada@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      100% for real. I simply can’t do freelancing Excel work with LibreOffice because I know the 1:1 compatibility falls apart quickly. Basic formulas are about as far as I can trust it.

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    • DaCrazyJamez@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Is there a decent FOSS alternative to excel? Libre has been my goto for years because I never needed anything more, but just in the kast week I have a new client with some more rigorous needs, and I REALLY dont want to bite the buellt on 365

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      • CorneliusTalmadge@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I will just leave this here in case you need to go the MS route.

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      • Samskara@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Not that I know.

        Depending on your exact needs a more specialized tool like SmartSheets or AirTable (browser based, subscription) can be good. WPS office is a little better than Calc in some ways, but no full replacement for Excel.

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    • cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That’s fair. Imagine if people invested that much time into calc. A person can dream…

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      • toddestan@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The problem is everyone expects Calc to be Excel, including full compatibility with reading and writing of Excel’s file formats. As Excel is a constantly moving target, following that path means you’ll forever be a second-rate Excel that’ll never quite be fully compatible.

        I find Calc to be a fine spreadsheet program myself, though I’m hardly a power user. If you want to use Excel, then just go use Excel.

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    • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The main problem with LibreOffice as a whole is the vast install base of MS Office. If you can work from the beginning in LibreOffice and store things as ODTs and ODSs, you’ll have a fine time. The second you need to work with someone who uses MS Office or deal with legacy documents made in Office, it beats your chin on the floor.

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      • Samskara@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        LibreOffice Writer has eaten comments on documents several times for me. Word handles comments much better.

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    • ethaver@kbin.earth ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I straight up used draw.io to create a paper form. I needed high information density so I can't waste space formatting stuff the normal way, I need something more graphical and publisher got axed.

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    • Samskara@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Exactly. Excel is the workhorse. The combo between Exchange and Outlook is the other major major strength of MS Office.

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  • lime@feddit.nu ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    expecting word to edit pdfs is like expecting excel to edit compiled matlab programs

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    • anosym@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Also I don’t see the problem with the other two.
      Move image? Works fine if you select the right wrapping.
      Ignore spelling mistake? Right click -> ignore once / ignore all / add to dictionary

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      • arudesalad@piefed.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        From my experience with word, ignore spelling mistake is a lie, it always starts complaining again eventually (and changing spelling from us to uk almost never works)

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      • GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Those without tech literacy love to blame the software.

        A bad workman blames his tools after all.

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    • red_bull_of_juarez@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I think from an end-user perspective it’s realistic to expect Word to edit PDFs. It’s just that the PDF format is an unbelievably complex clusterfuck and thus requires an entirely separate and expensive program.

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      • lime@feddit.nu ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        i mean, it’s equivalent to using a typewriter to edit a printed page. pdf was that designed to be edited.

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  • HexesofVexes@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    LaTeX supremacy has entered that chat

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    • mitchty@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Overfull hbox has left the chat un formatted

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  • CaptainPedantic@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I got so frustrated trying to use Word to write a document at work that I just gave up and wrote the whole damn thing in LaTeX.

    Sucks to be the guy who has to edit it when I’m gone.

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    • cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You know it’s bad when I prefer a nice markdown editor to word lol

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      • LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I’m preferring pen & paper over here.

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    • jambudz@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I wrote things in a community college class in latex and they made me resubmit in word because their anti cheat software couldn’t read pdfs. Upsetting. I was 30. I’m not cheating on a heavily sourced psych paper.

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  • otacon239@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    TGFM - Thank God for Markdown

    Seriously, though. 9 times out of 10, markdown has all the formatting I need for the task at hand. On the rare occasion I need something more, I’m glad I have access to Apple Pages, but it comes with its own set of unique challenges.

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    • green_copper@kbin.earth ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      My choice of file-format for documents sorted by complexity of the content:

      1. Markdown
      2. Orgmode
      3. Typst
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      • DeadPixel@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I have not come across 2 & 3. Very interested in Typst after a quick look…

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    • Flamekebab@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I wish Markdown had better support for tables.

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    • panda_abyss@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I miss the Steve Jobs era of iWork.

      I won’t say it was the best (why were there no pivot tables in numbers?? And why is the current implementation shit requiring manual refreshes that you can’t rely on?), but the software worked very uniformly and was straight forward.

      If he hadn’t died he would still be yelling at them to make keynote and numbers work, and he probably wouldn’t have missed the collaborative editing boat.

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  • arschfidel@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That’s how I feel about most Microsoft products actually.

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    • Aljernon@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I feel like Microsoft products steadily get worse over time. It’s like they spend money to have their programmers seen how bad a product gets before people will get fed up and dump it.

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      • Samskara@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Microsoft products can be quite good, but you’re right that they are severely hampered by boneheaded decisions.

        Microsoft Office is still very good overall. Definitely one of Microsoft’s better products. The ribbon UI was revolutionary and is still great.

        The Mac version of Microsoft Office is also a good example of how good and bad versions alternate. Office for Mac 98 was terrible. Office for Mac 2004 was great and and in many ways better than the windows version. 2008 dropped support for Visual Basic. 2011 reintroduced it. Microsoft’s email client for the Mac changed between Outlook, Entourage, then Outlook again with various changes and supporting different features.

        My favorite versions of Microsoft operating systems are: DOS 5, Windows 3.1, NT 4, 98, XP, 7, 10, Phone 8.

        I’m still mad Microsoft canceled their fantastic flight simulator.

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    • CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That was my first thought too. Somehow they seem to be able to make the shittiest possible version of everything they attempt, and yet it almost always becomes the standard that everyone uses.

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  • red_bull_of_juarez@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Image

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    • Skullgrid@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      !antiquememesroadshow@lemmy.world

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      • red_bull_of_juarez@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I felt so happy to remember this >20 year old image when I saw the title of this post. I remember finding it very funny back then. Anyway, what’s the appraisal? Daddy needs a new pair of shoes.

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    • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      would you send that to my mom please?

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  • chiliedogg@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Want to edit the header just on page 6? Or feel like being sexy and having a single page in landscape or a different size?

    Easy! Just make a bunch of separate documents, export them as PDFs, and merge them in Adobe Acrobat.

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    • Soleos@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I agree lots of things about word sucks. But FYI single page landscape is achieved by using two section breaks. It’s not ideal, but its somewhat understandable given how styles are prioritized. I’ve tried others that work well, but they also suffer on things that word does well that we take for granted.

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      • chiliedogg@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The way it should be handled is to just let me rotate a single fucking page. It’s 2025 and there is zero excuse for that bullshit.

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  • HolidayGreed@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Used Microsoft Works in the early 2000’s. Only discontinued in 2009 apparently.

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    • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      At one point, Microsoft was maintaining three different word processors.

      • Word, the top of the line component of the flagship Office product
      • Works, their “for home and small business” product that was honestly good enough for basically everyone, to the point you have to ask why anyone would buy Office, which is almost certainly why Works got canned, and
      • Wordpad, because a GUI OS is basically useless without a rich text editor.
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      • Flamekebab@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Where does Microsoft Write enter the equation?

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  • DarkSideOfTheMoon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This why LibreOffice called out Microsoft for using “complex” file formats to lock in Office users

    neowin.net/…/libreoffice-calls-out-microsoft-for-…

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  • djdarren@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Word is the proof that God exists and he’s still real fuckin’ pissy about that apple.

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  • Sharlot@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The real miracle isn’t Word’s features, it’s how it’s still the default after decades of collective pain.

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  • CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Word works fine and has just about every feature business users needs. This stuff hasn’t been true in a long time.

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  • GreenShimada@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    As someone that recalls using Word 5.5 in DOS for a book report in 5th grade, as with all things, the peak has come and gone.

    IMO, the enshittification curve started about 2010ish when MS demanded internet connectivity for features that didn’t work. Saving PDFs was its peak. RIP Word 2007, which I used well into 2015.

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  • FingerFrickenGood@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Who knew being a monopoly and anti competitive would be so profitable.

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  • 0x0@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Editing PDFs is not a feature the format natively supports (or supported?).
    To me the crappiest “feature” is that M$ intentionally disregards their own document standard to EEE the ecosystem and vendor-lock their consumers.

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  • YeahIgotskills2@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    My favourite feature is the insanely counter-intuitive indenting and bullet points.

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  • buttnugget@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Microsoft Word is just fine. I assume most of the hate is for Microsoft because Word works just fine for most people’s use cases.

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  • qualia@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I expected Lemmy to be less repost-obsessed than Reddit yet here we are.

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  • A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If you don’t use \LaTeX, that’s on you.

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  • Feedback17@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Never understood the attraction. It sucks.

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  • Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m old enough to remember Microsoft Works.

    I miss the simplicity of those days…

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  • uncouple9831@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If you can’t ignore a spelling error in word you’re just not competent and need to learn how to use the tool. Sorry.

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  • some_random_nick@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This comment section is like a hivemind. Can’t go a day without a circlejerk.

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  • daggermoon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Why would anyone use that garbage over Libre Office?

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  • muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Microsoft office is why I use iWork.

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  • realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The only thing why this is still the case is because microsoft is bundling everything in a single subscription and is also providing you with software that automatically keeps everything updated.

    The software is shit, but companies using the entire ecosystem probably save money. Sadly.

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