That is not a “scientific fact”. That is just something somebody wrote for the likes.
Can any scientists confirm this important fact?
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breecher@sh.itjust.works 2 hours ago
slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 2 hours ago
My favourit scientivic fact is that tiktok i saw some kid made and is the only source of that fact.
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Eh, any time someone ascribes motivations to animals, my butthole spasms.
The best that should be said is that the behaviors they exhibit are similar to the behaviors they exhibit for kittens or sometimes sick cats.
Somehow, somebody decided that meant they think we’re bad hunters, and the idea took off because it’s funny, but you can’t know what goes on inside the thoughts of other humans reliably, much less other animals.
There’s competing possibilities that the cats are showing off their kills to their social group, which is not only a common behavior when cats are young, but when they’re mated, but you don’t see people crowing about them bringing us food to get in our pants.
Overall, cats seem to treat us like other cats. Not exactly the same, but with less distinction than other domesticated animals. Horses, as an example, have a much wider distinction, for equally unprovable reasons.
My personal pet idea is that any sufficiently social animal, including humans, is instinctively going to seek out groups. They/we will negotiate the lack of a unifying language as best as possible, but with plenty of misunderstandings. It isn’t so much that other animals see us as being the same as them. It’s that they don’t really have the need for the distinction; there’s the in group (pride, pack, clan, whatever you want to call it) and out groups. When dealing with the family group, any animal will perform the same basic behaviors that their instincts tell them to.
Domestication just means that a given type of animal has developed or been bred to have, a stronger instinct for social bonding than wild animals, to the degree that they’ll accept other species as family easier.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 19 hours ago
I think the difference between cats and dogs is mainly tens of thousands of additional years of co-operative evolution. Cats are amazing but dogs you can almost assume can understand your emotions and care, that comes from the absurd length of time dogs and humans have been friends, it is a relationship that far predates other domestication.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 hours ago
I think cats can often understand your emotions… they just don’t care lol
HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
My personal pet idea
Heh
Empricorn@feddit.nl 19 hours ago
That’s it, you’re part of my pack now!
Zerush@lemmy.ml 21 hours ago
Dogs: He give me a home, he protect and feed me, he must be a God Cats: He give me a home, he protect and feed me, I must be a God
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Ancient Egyptians: That cat makes a great point.
Nakoichi@hexbear.net 21 hours ago
arsCynic@beehaw.org 12 hours ago
House dust mite: I poop on your face while you sleep.
hperrin@lemmy.ca 13 hours ago
I’m pretty sure my cat understands that people are not cats. She hisses at any other cat she sees, but has no problem with people.
jalkasieni@sopuli.xyz 13 hours ago
It’s because the other cats might actually be a threat, whereas the furless elongated ones are just terribly incompetent.
Edvard@endlesstalk.org 11 hours ago
and proboly from experince aswell, and learning from others and smell
Ricaz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 hours ago
Cats have a completely different language when interacting with humans. They mostly just meow around us
InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 21 hours ago
I have doubts that any credible and serious scientific discovery would involve this degree of anthropomorphism when it comes to assigning motivation to an animal’s behavior.
But let’s say I ended up with a hecking case of brain worms who devoured the vast majority of my critical thinking skills and was able to completely ignore that first point, this still doesn’t quite compute. If you’ve ever had cats and/or dogs in your life, then you are probably also aware that each one has its own unique personality and behaviors. Even if we assume that they have human-like rationalizations and emotional capacity, does it even make sense to believe that they all uniformly perceive people in the same uniform manner?
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 20 hours ago
It’s based on way too many reinterpretations of descriptions of studies into how cats communicate. Basically cats without human interaction will only meow as kittens communicating to their mom and their mother might meow back, and as they grow older they will learn to communicate with each other purely by body language and pheramones. Cats who interact with humans have learned that meowing at us like kittens gets our attention and is effective at communicating with us.
Some have interpreted that to mean cats see us as really strange kittens, which of course gets miscommunicated by well meaning people repeating something they half-remember. It seems the reality is just cats have learned to adjust their behavior to better coexist with humans.
Impressively, cats and their humans also will develop complex enough communication that humans can interpret the need of the cat purely from their meow
At least this is my memory of research I half-remember reading about
Canconda@lemmy.ca 12 hours ago
some have interpreted that to mean cats see us as really strange kittens,
Not just the meowing. Bringing dead animals is also thought to be related to maternal instinct or some other social behaviour.
I do agree though that people are running with this stuff further than the science has verified.
Zerush@lemmy.ml 10 hours ago
On scientific level, dogs is a herd animal, which need a leader, cats don’t know leaders, they a single hunters, they can create asociations with other cats if it have advantages to obtain food, leader or boss are not in their vocabulary. Human can be a good friend but not more, if not, he’s only the tin opener. As said, cats are almost the exact opposite of dogs, even in their body lenguage.
ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 4 hours ago
catsonbroadwayhospital.com/life-feral-cat-colony/….
Wild cats sometimes form colonies. Those structures do have matriarchs. There is dominance in the groups.
Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org 20 hours ago
I have doubts that any credible and serious scientific discovery would involve this degree of anthropomorphism when it comes to assigning motivation to an animal’s behavior.
But let’s say I ended up with a hecking case of brain worms who devoured the vast majority of my critical thinking skills and was able to completely ignore that first point, this still doesn’t quite compute.
This part was very obnoxious and not needed fyi.
davitz@lemmy.ca 19 hours ago
I mean, he’s walking through his very solid reasoning for why the headline fails the sniff test, despite being a factoid that is frequently repeated through many channels by many people.
People talk all the time about how we need to strengthen critical thinking skills in the general public. Outside of formal training, this is what that looks like: a culture of publicly explaining the thought process that leads you to question something that many others have accepted without question. The knee jerk reaction of criticizing such statements as rude or overly negative is a big part of why these skills have such a hard time spreading, since people who have the skills feel it’s not socially acceptable to share their conclusions.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 day ago
Dog brings you thing because you asked, it’s asking to play, or because they wanted to reward you.
Cat brings you things because it thinks you fucking suck at hunting and feeding yourself.
saltesc@lemmy.world 1 day ago
My dog gives me stuff all the time. At first I thought it meant he wanted to play with the object, but, nope. He’s just spent the last fifteen minutes fighting the other dog away from it, running around the house with it in his mouth. Then when he’s finally “won”, he gently places it down right in front of me, sits and stares at my eyes, “This is very important to us dogs, but I love you the most, so you can have it.”
picks up slobbered cow hoof with a pinch “Thank you so much, buddy! How about I hold it, you can chew; we can share.”
He does do this with the other dog at times too, though. Usually when she’s calmed down and snoozing, he’ll bring a treat over to her, watch her accept it, and goes on his way.
Gifting is his love language.
far_university1990@reddthat.com 1 day ago
“I take care of my human. I bring them mouse once a week, twice after new moon because so dark. Hope they survive on that.”
starlinguk@lemmy.world 1 day ago
My cat played fetch, just like a dog. Cats like playing.
I hate it when people just assume stuff about cats, treat them that way, and then say stuff like ‘cats are so aloof and they only like me because I feed them.’
Meanwhile, my neighbour’s cat loves my family even though we don’t feed her, because we snuggle her. The person who feeds her just chucks her outside when she gets home. And then she comes to us for scritches.
sukhmel@programming.dev 1 day ago
My cat sometimes brings toys because it wants to play. That doesn’t happen too often, though
faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 23 hours ago
My cat has figured out how to pantomime chasing the dot as his way of asking me to break out the laser pointer.
mybuttnolie@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
my other cat is extremely ADHD and he brings me toys many times a day. he runs from the other side of the apartment screaming with the toy in his mouth and then sits next to me until i throw that toy. also if we’re away for several hours he delivers toys on our bed.
Honytawk@lemmy.zip 19 hours ago
Sure, the cat that gets fed daily by us and even begs us for food thinks we suck at hunting and feeding ourselves…
It is such a dumb take.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 11 hours ago
Agreed. Much more likely it’s a sign of affection. “Here’s a treat for you, hoomin!”
nonentity@sh.itjust.works 20 hours ago
Dogs have owners.
Cats have staff.anthropomorphized@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Dogs own us Cats are prisoners
NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
All I’ll say is cats meow at humans and they don’t meow at other cats except their own mom. To me this instantly defeats this take.
It’s just a fun post though so I’m not judging.
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
I have 2 cats. One of them meows at people, cats, dogs, birds, butterflies, toys…
The other only meows when she’s suffering horrible torture, like being picked up, or needing to scratch at the door the times without it opening.
leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 hours ago
Is the first one a siamese…?
Extremely chatty critters, those…
starlinguk@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Cats meow at other cats besides their mother too. It’s a complete myth that they don’t.
13igTyme@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
I have 4 cats age 11, 11, 6, and 1. I also grew up with cats in my childhood home. In 34 years, I have never had a cat meow at another cat.
Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I kind of am judging. Misrepresenting how science works and what it can and can’t do ia a dangerous game on the age of intentional misinformation. Even if you’re just trying to be cute and fun.
NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
You know what, you’re right, framing it as a “scientific discovery” isn’t cool.
fodor@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
How to say you are not a cat owner without saying you are not a cat owner.
for_some_delta@beehaw.org 10 hours ago
Cats have great singing voices especially when humans are asleep. Do cats sing for humans? Maybe they sing because they love opera?
Takapapatapaka@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 1 day ago
I'm not backing the take itself, as other said it is widely extrapolation, but i don't really understand how the fact that cats meowing only/mostly at their mom and humans would invalidate the theory that humans and cats are the same category in cats' minds, since they use it for both cats and humans. It could indicate that they consider humans kinda like parents cats or just parents, maybe, but i don't see how it indicates that they could consider humans as non cats.
Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 7 hours ago
AFAIK both dogs and cats recognize pointing. Dogs will look in that direction, as if you gave them a command. Cats also realize you’re pointing at something in order to get their attention, they just don’t give a shit and will keep doing whatever they’re doing.
huf@hexbear.net 3 hours ago
this isnt entirely true. cats are terrible at taking direction but it is possible to direct them. i’ve done it when my cat brought a live mouse inside and we had to hunt it as a team to corral it.
icelimit@lemmy.ml 8 minutes ago
Two shepherd dogs would’ve gotten the job done
I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I mean, she knows I’m much better than her at opening wet food cans.
aeronmelon@lemmy.world 1 day ago
“This cat is awful, but I’ll keep it around because it knows how to open the food stones.”
Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 hours ago
Is that how it works? I’ve had dogs try breeding my leg, cats not so much. That anecdote presents an opposite case.
optissima@lemmy.ml 20 hours ago
Ive seen a dog hump inanimate objects so I don’t think thats a great gauge.
leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 hours ago
Cats have standards.
Licksrocks@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
My cat hates every other cat it meets, but loves every person it meets. I think it knows the difference.
Soot@hexbear.net 20 hours ago
We have strong evidence to the contrary. Cats only meow to humans, not to other cats. So they know we’re fundamentally different.
Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Am science. Can confirm.
DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml 20 hours ago
Then why do all cats I have licked back at acted so surprised and offended?
alzymologist@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
I’m not so sure my cats and dogs identify as different species tbh
Naich@lemmings.world 23 hours ago
You shouldn’t put the words “cats” and “think” in the same sentence.
floo@retrolemmy.com 1 day ago
Cats also know that you’re there. They just don’t give a fuck.
elbiter@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Dogs can’t even tell if you launched the stick or not…
Enkimaru@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Dogs are the same. They think they are humans. The first tribe members that clearly know that they are not humans are apes and some monkeys.
Smeagol666@mander.xyz 25 minutes ago
It kinda blew my mind that dogs are more empathetic than chimps. Maybe they used autistic chimps in the thing I watched, still seems unbelievable.