You know, DOGE, fascist president and corporations dictating what people can do, institutions being ruined, laws being ignored. Is there any way out of that or is it over? Is the USA done?
So, is the USA screwed?
Submitted 1 month ago by tigerjerusalem@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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samus12345@lemm.ee 1 month ago
lordnikon@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yes but we should still make them pay for every inch they take.
rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 1 month ago
We been screwed for decades; all the minor plot threads, foreshadowing, and chekhov’s implements are all just coalescing at the same time for one last grand finale.
tacosplease@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Barry Goldwater, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, Newt Gingerich, Mitch McConnell, and now Trump (and arguably many others along the way) have been choosing self over country and intentionally breaking safeguards for longer than most of us on Lemmy have been alive. It’s indirect violence. But it’s violence regardless. And they’ve gotten away with it so far.
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 1 month ago
We’re on the way down. The Right in this country (well, really, everywhere, but it’s more maniacal here) are growing more unhinged. The Dems keep pulling to the right as a result (since at least the 80s). The overtone window keeps shifting. We’re absolutely fucked.
William F Buckley was a major source of inspiration for the Right for decades. I recently watched his debate with James Baldwin at Cambridge in 1965. He argued racist points about Black single moms, but he tried to sound compassionate and denounced racism. He hid his racism in plain sight but sounded educated. There’s nothing like that now. “They’re eating the dogs.”
LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Kamala Harris and Biden before her ran on the most liberal platform in history
Skyrmir@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Bernie was more liberal, FDR ran and won 3 times on a more liberal platform.
PanArab@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Genocide is a liberal position? Now you tell me?
conditional_soup@lemm.ee 1 month ago
X
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Most neoliberal
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 month ago
100% cooked bruh. Get the fuck out while you can if you here.
MelonYellow@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
My partner and I are already brainstorming what countries we would go to if in the future shit really hits the fan. I mean just as a hypothetical. Mexico’s up there. We could easily pick up and go, trouble is it’d be harder to get the rest of our family on board.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Mexico is so fucking great bruh. Amazing culture and people. All the basic amenities.
tigerjerusalem@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I’m not in the USA, but I have friends that lives there and in Canada. I’m worried for them.
darcranium123@lemmy.world 1 month ago
We are about to become a cautionary tale other countries use to warn eachother not to go too hard into capitalism
randon31415@lemmy.world 1 month ago
There is saying things, there is not doing things, and there is doing things.
Trump could say: “What if there was one day where there was no laws and people could just do anything, like the purge…” and… oh, he did say that during his first term. And democracy still survived. Saying things just make people loose respect for America. It is why Obama got the Nobel peace prize. Cause he stopped saying the shit that Bush was saying.
What people should be worried about is actions and inactions. It takes competency to do things. The more fascist a thing Trump wants to do, the more competent people leave and the less likely it is to be done. The true problem is it takes no level of competency to not do a thing.
So Trump’s end game is “Ask not what your country can do for you … because it can no longer do that.”
zqps@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Unfortunately he’s following the playbook of people who do know how to do things and accomplish goals. And they were much better prepared this time than in 2016.
vsg@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I thought that Obama won the NPP because of Norwegian political stuff involving NATO.
randon31415@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Well, yes, but it was a very weak case - but people were so sick of Bush that that was enough.
Snowclone@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yes. How much and for how long is the real questions, luckily I live in CA and if the country dissolves we’ll just do everything ourselves in fact. We’ll be better off as we provide 60% of the US tax revenue, and we get noting close to that in return.
KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Probably.
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yes and and beyond screwed.
Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
It might take a long time to fix, but someday we will recover.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I think the US is over. There will be something else for sure, but i don’t know if the US is salvageable
treadful@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
I think you need some perspective. The situation is bad and seems like foreshadowing of worse things to come. However, we’re a pretty far distance from states pulling away or civil war breaking out.
BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 1 month ago
If these things Trump is removing with presidential orders was so important, why the fuck didn’t Congress make them laws while Democrats had a majority in the past twenty fucking years?
This shit is infuriating to me that we only blame one side for these issues.
ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
I’m really hoping that Churchill’s quote about Americans doing the right thing is evergreen, because this first month (!!!) of Trump has been A LOT.
I feel like we’re really close to having tried every alternative by now, right?..right?
SabinStargem@lemmings.world 1 month ago
Bullet box has yet to be opened. But I can hear the hinges creaking.
Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
More and more every day…
JDPoZ@lemmy.world 1 month ago
[deleted]VerifiedSource@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
somehow he pisses off the base enough
Trump has to placate the billionaire class. If everybody is still making money and gaining power, they’re unlikely to break with him.
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Not necessarily.
There are still legal routes, the chances of congress not laying down on the job, etc.
Then, you’ve got the first line of citizen action, protests and non violent direct action combined with people helping each other until the legal stuff has a chance to work.
Beyond that, right now, across the country, small groups are trying to organize. Most of them as a form of more assertive resistance and/or a safety net for trans people, immigrants, and other targets of the current administration.
There are also smaller groups than that organizing for the possibility of having to fight.
That does include people just as batshit as the more rabid right wing, but most of them are less eager than the crazies to get involved in an asymmetric civil war. So they aren’t very visible.
But there are people working at all levels to resist and turn things around.
The way out is for everyone that can to be ready. To take risks to protect each other, and to do what they can when they can.
TheCriticalMember@aussie.zone 1 month ago
I believe the US is a failed state. trump just decided that himself and his AG are the only people who can decide which laws apply to the executive, and ordered the termination of all remaining Biden era US Attorneys. I know we’ve been saying this a lot lately, but it feels like a mask off moment.
expLogian@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I joined Lemmy today, and while reading the TOS I had a sigh of relief when I got to the end and the US was not on the list of countries it follows the laws of. Instead it’s the three countries at the top of my wishlist of places I’d like to flee to to avoid being sent to a camp, even! Well, Finland has the same problem Canada has of having one of the worst neighbors in the world right now, but Germany and the Netherlands are great options. Rule 1 would have only weeks, maybe months, to live before Elon Musk ordered discrimination against minorities to be mandatory instead of prohibited if Lemmy was following the laws of the dying country I live in. Well, “laws”. We don’t really have laws anymore, it’s all royal decrees now. Everybody is currently holding their breath on whether they’ve consolidated dictatorial power well enough to enforce them.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 month ago
“screwed” seems a little mild to describe it
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yeah.
Earflap@reddthat.com 1 month ago
The constitution was created for the sole purpose of containing a tyrant and mitigating any damage they could do.
Its never been tested on a real tyrant before though, so I guess we’ll see how well it accomplishes that. It uh, isnt looking too great though.
TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 1 month ago
It depends on if Baron is like his father or not.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Source?
reiterationstation@lemm.ee 1 month ago
You’re sure? I’ve had this hunch because, well, obviously, but I don’t know for sure.
PanArab@lemm.ee 1 month ago
laws being ignored
Treczoks@lemmy.world 1 month ago
As you failed to prevent fascism at the voting booth, you will have to learn how to stop it now. This is the situation the second amendment had been written for. After being abused to allow criminals and mentally retarded to get access to weapons they should never have, you can now put them to good use.
Aoife@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
Nah it’s gonna get looted and pillaged and generally go to shit but will be saved by the aheer economic power of being one of the few places left on earth with enough farmland to feed billions when the other breadbaskets start getting decimated by ecological collapse
uienia@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It is interesting that you assume that breadbasket will not also be decimated by climate change.
SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 1 month ago
Enough farmland? I suggest reading up on the Ogallala Aquifer. Also, where the best climate zones for agriculture will be 50 years from now.
SabinStargem@lemmings.world 1 month ago
I would say so. The only question is whether the good guys win a civil war. My money is on ‘yes’, since Yarvin’s Cabal is hellbent on exiling all of the competent people from their society, along with being jackasses who have alienated many peoples. It will be a bloody struggle, but I think that Dogey America will ultimately receive the Old Yeller treatment. I only hope that every member of Yarvin’s Cabal are executed - Elon, Thiel, ect.
Let’s not make the mistakes of the 1st Civil War, 1st Business Plot, and 2nd World War, where many high ranking members were permitted to escape justice. These worms will insist on burrowing into the apple, and ultimately destroy the very thing that allowed them to live in prosperity.
uienia@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Who will fight that civil war? The American population is overfed and entertained and way too docile for such things.
HighFructoseLowStand@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Unless there’s a coup when the Supreme Court finds against Trump and he ignores them and Republicans keep Congress from holding him accountable the only way the Court will let them.
ecvanalog@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It’s fucking toast
sanpedropeddler@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Honestly we were screwed long before now, but yes. Its going to be a slow decline into fascism until we collectively wise up. I do think there’s a real possibility of that happening, but its going to take a lot of work.
expLogian@lemmy.world 1 month ago
My hopes are far lower than yours. Nazi Germany had just enough popular support to function without democracy and used heavy propanda to increase its support for a whole decade before it lost the war against all of its neighbors and itself. It took long years of foreign occupation to repair German society, and China isn’t looking like a good choice of occupier in the event a fully Nazified US loses. Many German people today remember their grandparents being ardent Nazis imuntil their deaths. I’m worried the same will be the case for me.
We need a big EU militarization, yesterday. Probably navally focused, treating the US like Imperial Japan and the rest of the Americas like its Manchuria. Russia is a more imminent threat but at least it’s a paper tiger in all things except nuclear. Still, armies are needed to defend against it as well.
sanpedropeddler@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I’m just hoping we can sort things out before it gets as bad as Nazi Germany was. Maybe I’m being overly optimistic, but having a defeatist attitude certainly won’t help our chances.
takeiteasypolicy@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I wont give a knee jerk response to it. a country the size, economy, and history of USA doesn’t get done for by one President. While Muskrump will cause plenty of institutional damage and suffering on American and global populace, USA will come out stronger and better nation at the end of this (whenever this ends). Case in point, Germany before WWII and Germany after WWII
splendoruranium@infosec.pub 1 month ago
I know you’re trying to sound optimistix, but that particular example required significant (worldwide, in fact) external intervention…
GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I think we’re headed for balkanization. We’re seeing the breakup of the USSR all over again.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 month ago
On one of the good timelines.
SupahRevs@lemmy.world 1 month ago
We need to weather the storm and come back strong. We need a FDR 2.0 to transition from chaos and oligarchy into a more equitable America with universal healthcare and more support for struggling Americans.
takeiteasypolicy@lemmy.world 1 month ago
agree. USA will need a project 2030 plan to restore and strengthen Democracy in way that it can’be be ever again compromised by one mad man
stm@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
USA will come out stronger and better nation at the end of this
damn
Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 1 month ago
One can argue that Felon 47 is a different president. Two bad presidents as evil as Trump and Musk will sink the US.
PlantDadManGuy@lemmy.world 1 month ago
We’re cooked fam. Can’t wait for the reboot.