So, is the USA screwed?

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• sumguyonline@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  So long as there is people living in a place, having kids, and trying to improve their lives, the places will remain. The government may change, social structure’s get overhauled, but the same fact that people are having kids and building a life means those places are unlikely to go away. The old republic is dead. We have supreme court justices taking bribes then passing judgments saying they can. We have the position of President where anyone in it can legally say “I was doing it for my country the laws don’t apply.” And get away with it. The United States of America as a Democratic Republic, is over. But there still exists a United States of America that has transitioned to a Democratic Empire/kingdom. So to the question; “Is the USA screwed?” The simple answer is No. It will continue on so lobg as the population does. Is the Democratic Republic of the United States screwed? Bitch be dead, screw the corpse if you like.

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• blasphemous@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Although there’s a lot of knee-jerk reaction in some circles, Trump issuing EOs that are illegal and unenforceable only go as far as all the other vitriol that slides it’s way out of his mouth creases. Plenty of things he does are blocked by judges, including his demand that only him and his AG are allowed to interpret the law. It just doesn’t work like that. Although the possibility of things being escalated and allowed through a compromised supreme Court still exists, it hasn’t happened yet. I’m not giving into the mania while checks and balances still actually do exist.

  Corporations dictating what people can do has been happening basically my whole life.

  DOGE is another story. It’s very bad, yeah, but I’m not sure how it affects me personally in my day-to-day.

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  • GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Do you like cancer research? How about fighting forest fires? Averting mid-air plane collisions?

    DOGE sure hates all of those.

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    • blasphemous@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I believe most of those will get reinstated by Congress or judicial branch.

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  • Katana314@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    It’s erroneous to claim the judge orders blocking the executive orders have done anything.

    As judge of Lemmy, I order you to stop posting. /s

    ^ There, that statement alone had just as much effect as the judicial orders. Fact is, DOGE still has extensive access to most of the systems that they breached, and judges have largely been ignored, or have given rulings complicit with Trump’s actions.

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    • blasphemous@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      AFAIK that hasn’t actually happened yet. Any search results I got were “what will happen if Trump ignores the court/what can judges do if orders are defied?” So, as a person who had to distance myself from sensationalized news for my mental health, I shouldn’t worry about things that haven’t happened. Especially things so far outside of my control.

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  • StructuredPair@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    All government services will start going to shit. You will not notice immediate effects of this, but roads will be worse, food and drugs will become unsafe as the already inadequate monitoring becomes no monitoring, etc. It just won’t all happen overnight and everything will slowly get more dangerous and shinier as all government oversight is destroyed.

    Even more indirectly, data products that companies use for deciding investments will become increasingly unreliable. This will increase uncertainty and risk in any corporate investment and lead to decreased corporate spending and an eventual economic contraction.

    More immediately, a large number of the people fired this week and last week work in rural areas and the sudden loss of so many jobs in those areas will lead to significant local recessions as the federal money being added to the economy through paychecks disappears overnight.

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    • blasphemous@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      This is a pretty good answer. I hope that the judicial branch (not just the top) will reverse many of these decisions, as DOGE really does not have the authority to remove things that Congress voted on…and hopefully Congress will reinstate some of the very important things when they inevitably have to do budget again.

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• jagged_circle@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Have you read about US History? I recommend looking at presidents Andrew Jackson, Woodrow Wilson, and Richard Nixon.

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  • postmateDumbass@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Nixon was a CIA takeout, same as jfk.

    CIA/OSS blue bloods have been running USA since the JP Morgan bailout of the fed.

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• Ledericas@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  its like reagans term, but 100x worst, because they are being worked through with russia backing all these groups.

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• DirigibleProtein@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Waiting for a repeat of Jan 6 from the other side, or a civil war, or the sovcits to take over, or all of the above, or some other unknown catastrophe.

  Whatever disasters may or may not have come about due to “bad” presidents in the past will pale in comparison to the events of the next few years.

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• K1nsey6@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  The average empire lasts 250 years, for the US that year is 2026. The US has been in a downward spiral for decades.

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• Fandangalo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  A lot of people are discussing the legal or revolutionary frameworks, but there’s a very human story to all of this. The government is run by people, and people are human. They make mistakes, backstab one another, get sick. They compete for different goals & subvert. It’s politics.

  Morality is about respecting other moral agents, but it’s also about self-defeating principles. If you constantly lie, then there is no trust. Without trust, there’s room for speculation, rumor, & fear. Everyone on eggshells constantly. That’s partially why these fascist systems aren’t sustainable. However, as the world has become interconnected, so have the global elite. Fascism isn’t just here: it’s in a lot of places. There’s likely secret (and not so secret) actors pulling those strings, not to sound conspiratorial.

  Every action has an equal and opposite reaction in physics. Like others have said, I’m not sure about my faith in the USA, as it is today: 50 states and some territories holding “together”. The culture and economy of the Northeast is vastly different than the Southeast. The USA absolutely had its hand in much of global politics over the last 100 years. Russia was the USSR in the 80s (~40 years ago); I think this is our “equal and opposite” moment of a world power fracturing. My expectation is the USA splits up, but I’m not sure what comes next. I don’t know if that’s “screwed”, but it’s not as it is today.

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• index@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  fascist president and corporations dictating what people can do, institutions being ruined, laws being ignored.

  Sounds like USA authorities are stronger than ever. People have been screwed for a while.

  en.wikipedia.org/…/2010s_global_surveillance_disc…

  this was under obama

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• enphurgen@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Historically, it has to get worse before it gets better. It’s gonna suck for a while, but I have faith that humanity will come to it’s senses when things start getting bad enough. I hope this whole mess will be the catalyst that leads to great change in humanity in the future.

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  • Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    How is humanity not in its senses?

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• nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  what do you mean “done”? the answer is obviously no, but i want to know more specifically what your question is. why was this even posted? where is your house

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• dragonfucker@lemmy.nz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Communist revolution

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• BombOmOm@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  We got all this dooming 8 years ago as well. We were fine then, we will be fine now.

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  • Earflap@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    They literally attempted a coup when they lost the election, so no, everything was not “fine”.

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    • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      The precious norms!

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    • Kaboom@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      False.

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  • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    We were not fine then and neither are we now

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  • VerifiedSource@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Upvoted for the optimism. Let’s hope you’re right.

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• NoxAstrum@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Not yet, not necessarily. The further this goes, the closer they come to the point of no return.

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  • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    No, it is.

    Unless the great unwashed Didn’t Votes wake the fuck up and absolutely destroy MAGA in 2026 America is trapped with fascists actively purging the government of anyone not a loyalist.

    The voting blocs are completely partisan, and they fucking should be because MAGA is a fascist party.

    When a political party comprised of about half of the voters in a state explicitly reject honesty, human rights, and democracy and gains control the state there is not a way out without a civil war.

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    • aquinteros@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      that is considering there are more elections

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  • Azal@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Oh we’re past the point of no return. The question we’re at now is how much damage can we mitigate from here forward.

    The US has killed any of it’s power it’s had in the world beyond military and economic. The power it had through friendships and trade deals, they’re fucking gone. Trade deals have been shown to be temporary and based on whims so why would anyone do it. And friendships? HAHAHAHAH.

    So now it’s economic… and oh look, we’re about to start tearing that apart and probably look at a depression that will be compared to the OG Great Depression, while the trade deals are going across the world and China is definitely willing to step up to the plate to be the “adult in the room” in trade deals.

    So last it’s military power. And with getting rid of officers to only have loyal ones… that means strategy and tactics will be going out the window for “We have a big hammer.”

    That’s the US’s interaction with the world, which most of our lives we’ve been in the dominant position. So that’ll get rough. Now on to the things internally that DOGE has gone through and cleared out, it’ll take years to unfuck the stuff already done.

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  • VerifiedSource@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    A point of no return won’t be hit for a while. The buildings still exist and people with domain knowledge are still around.

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• BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Screwed, and unfortunately screwing around too

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• Saltycracker@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  If we don’t get a handle on the debt it will be like Greece 2.0

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  • 0xD@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Lol, Greece and US are as comparable financially as a dog and Uranus are.

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    • Saltycracker@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      You don’t understand history try to again.

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• SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  It’ll take decades to repair it

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  • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    It won’t and shouldn’t be repaired. We’re not going to kintsugi the republic back together.

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    • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Oooo kintsugi. Nice metaphor.

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  • MNByChoice@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Nah. Just ignore all laws that slow it down.

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• NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  All states should leave the us now ASAP.

  Except maybe New York and Florida, because they have given him shelter.

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• sunbytes@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Screwed is always relative.

  I’m hearing chat that immigrants from places like Turkey or India are going “oh yeah this is what it’s like back home”.

  So it’s possible it just goes full neoliberal (i.e. no consequences or regulations for the rich) and the division of wealth grows even further.

  Provided he doesn’t cause a war or some kind of other mass-death problem (chemical spills, reactor meltdown etc) it might just have a cost primarily in human suffering, as opposed to human life.

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• sunflowercowboy@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  It’s to the point i believe myself the second coming. Rapture always perplexed me.

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• RabbitBBQ@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Yes and there was nothing really worth saving. Throw it all away and start over. It’s fine.

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• humanspiral@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  There are some seeds of hopefulness this week.

  20% of savings will be put towards a “freedom dividend”. With cuts to military.

  Freedom dividends is answer to everything. Disempowers government discretion, empowers people. Sales taxes and carbon taxes directly funding dividends becomes progressive taxes. Transferring “conditional poverty welfare” to dividends is path to eliminating homelessness, and not having a 50% clawback on work income that is a huge work disincentive.

  Progressive versions of UBI/freedom dividends is just a higher amount with higher taxes. But a conservative version that still tries to maintain (as close as legally allowed systemic) slavery, is still a path to a long term sustainable fix for country.

  End to proxy war on Russia.

  Facts genuinely support that US/NATO controlled/manipulated Ukraine into provoking war on Russia. By far the most demonic war the US has ever started, with specific objective of diminishing Russia to the last Ukrainian. That Blackrock can get cheap land and resources in the end does not help Americans. Nothing about this war helps world. Climate sustainability cannot be a 2nd priority to war, and oil industry profits, and forcing massive diesel use and refinery terrorism to operate the war. Pure demonic hatred/mission to destroy/destabilize Russia is not going to get it to cooperate on energy transition. Before Biden, they were cooperating with Europe to mutual benefit.

  Massive war spending increases from NATO to match forced Russian/China production increases is not path to human sustainability, or even a path to likely victory over Russia/China. Getting the DNC to force us into candidacy of the most republican/neocon/zionist candidate possible makes all progressive policies impossible due to lower priority. Both a small UBI, and war de-escalation, means having a progressive alternative have a chance, instead of appealing to the Dick/Liz Cheney wing of the democratic party.

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  • gadfly1999@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Facts genuinely support that US/NATO controlled/manipulated Ukraine into provoking war on Russia.

    You misspelled “delusions”

    I’m going to ignore the rest of the garbage that you wrote as it’s obviously of similar quality.

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  • GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Ooh, a Russian troll! Quick, whack him with the hammer, they’re worth extra bonus points!

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    • humanspiral@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      no one ever counters how wonderful you life is for having a war on Russia. Post was about saving the world.

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  • Katana314@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Everyone here was alive when the invasion started. Russia invaded Ukraine. THEN Ukraine considered entering NATO. They were happy to stay out of it as long as Russia stayed away. They didn’t. Some saw it coming, as Russia has violated just about every treaty they’ve entered.

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    • humanspiral@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Everyone here was alive when the invasion started. Russia invaded Ukraine.

      No, you just woke up then. Israel “loved Palestinians” before history started on October 7th. When history started on 9/11, it was proof that “they just hate us for our freedom”.

      Russia’s red lines for not being forced into the Ukraine war were consistent prior to war, as they are now. It is west/Ukraine who lied their way through Minsk process.

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  • ConHoliousDonFrankle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    It’s so sad watching idiots repeat what they’ve been told to. Please attempt to remove Putin’s lips from your ass so I don’t have to see him puppet your body with his tongue.

    Our country is fucked but we don’t need idiots who weren’t functional enough to go to Ukraine shoveling shit and lies at us.

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  • Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Bullshit. Begone Trumpist troll

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• fritobugger2017@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Magic 8 Ball says: Most Likely

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• SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Not just them

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• Fleur_@hilariouschaos.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  God I hope so

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• captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  God I hope so. I have absolutely no reason to keep surviving, I hate being alive, I hate that any of you are alive, let’s get the nukes out and boil the fucking oceans.

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  • IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    But the cats did nothing wrong… 😿

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    • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Organic chemistry was a mistake, one we have the arsenal to correct. Push the whopper button.

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• angrystego@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Not just the USA, their allies as well.

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• Dozzi92@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  My brother sent this to me the other day and I gave it a watch. It feels pretty unbiased (although I’m uneducated), and seems to have a more macro, zoomed-out view of America and just nations on the whole. I thought it was pretty interesting and it helped to put some things in perspective.

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  • CallMeButtLove@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Very interesting, but I don’t feel better after watching that… :(

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    • Dozzi92@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Ha, I should’ve mentioned that you definitely won’t. It seems to paint this damned if we do damned if we don’t picture. But it at least paints a picture, versus what can at times feel like this great big unknown. It may also shed some light on some of the motivations for what’s happening. I dunno.

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• Letsdothis@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Lol… friend, take the shit outta your head and heart.

  They want you to feel helpless/hopeless. Don’t. Don’t let them win. Be positive, show love, and feel love.

  Right now, this is what the left wants. They WANT you to be helpless/hopeless. You’re a lot easier to control that way.

  Everything is fine (sorta). Ok, maybe not, but don’t freak out.

  Trump won’t do everything right, but he’s taking an axe to the federal government, and that is always a good thing.

  Screw the feds. Take down the feds. (Now I’m on a list)

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  • GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Trump won’t do everything right, but he’s taking an axe to the federal government, and that is always a good thing.

    You’re either five and the phone should be taken away, or about to become very aware how fucking stupid this take is.

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    • Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      But he’s draining the swamp! And the bogs, fens, wetlands, critical aquifers…

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  • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    It ain’t the left that’s in power, it’s the right. You’re not on the side of freedom fighters, you’re on the side of oppressors.

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• finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  No. It’s going to get worse for a while, maybe forever, but it won’t ever collapse until outside forces put boots on the ground. The thing about the USA is that it’s the United States, not singular state, so even if the Federal Entity is in turmoil or even collapses: the USA will continue operating at limited capacity.

  The day that the USA is done will be the beginning of the third great war.

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• wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Duh.

  Next question.

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