Submitted 4 days ago by tigerjerusalem@lemmy.world to [deleted]
You know, DOGE, fascist president and corporations dictating what people can do, institutions being ruined, laws being ignored. Is there any way out of that or is it over? Is the USA done?
Not yet, not necessarily. The further this goes, the closer they come to the point of no return.
No, it is.
Unless the great unwashed Didn’t Votes wake the fuck up and absolutely destroy MAGA in 2026 America is trapped with fascists actively purging the government of anyone not a loyalist.
The voting blocs are completely partisan, and they fucking should be because MAGA is a fascist party.
When a political party comprised of about half of the voters in a state explicitly reject honesty, human rights, and democracy and gains control the state there is not a way out without a civil war.
that is considering there are more elections
Oh we’re past the point of no return. The question we’re at now is how much damage can we mitigate from here forward.
The US has killed any of it’s power it’s had in the world beyond military and economic. The power it had through friendships and trade deals, they’re fucking gone. Trade deals have been shown to be temporary and based on whims so why would anyone do it. And friendships? HAHAHAHAH.
So now it’s economic… and oh look, we’re about to start tearing that apart and probably look at a depression that will be compared to the OG Great Depression, while the trade deals are going across the world and China is definitely willing to step up to the plate to be the “adult in the room” in trade deals.
So last it’s military power. And with getting rid of officers to only have loyal ones… that means strategy and tactics will be going out the window for “We have a big hammer.”
That’s the US’s interaction with the world, which most of our lives we’ve been in the dominant position. So that’ll get rough. Now on to the things internally that DOGE has gone through and cleared out, it’ll take years to unfuck the stuff already done.
A point of no return won’t be hit for a while. The buildings still exist and people with domain knowledge are still around.
Screwed is always relative.
I’m hearing chat that immigrants from places like Turkey or India are going “oh yeah this is what it’s like back home”.
So it’s possible it just goes full neoliberal (i.e. no consequences or regulations for the rich) and the division of wealth grows even further.
Provided he doesn’t cause a war or some kind of other mass-death problem (chemical spills, reactor meltdown etc) it might just have a cost primarily in human suffering, as opposed to human life.
It’s to the point i believe myself the second coming. Rapture always perplexed me.
Have you read about US History? I recommend looking at presidents Andrew Jackson, Woodrow Wilson, and Richard Nixon.
Nixon was a CIA takeout, same as jfk.
CIA/OSS blue bloods have been running USA since the JP Morgan bailout of the fed.
It’s fucking toast
Screwed, and unfortunately screwing around too
Yes and there was nothing really worth saving. Throw it all away and start over. It’s fine.
fascist president and corporations dictating what people can do, institutions being ruined, laws being ignored.
Sounds like USA authorities are stronger than ever. People have been screwed for a while.
en.wikipedia.org/…/2010s_global_surveillance_disc…
this was under obama
There are some seeds of hopefulness this week.
20% of savings will be put towards a “freedom dividend”. With cuts to military.
Freedom dividends is answer to everything. Disempowers government discretion, empowers people. Sales taxes and carbon taxes directly funding dividends becomes progressive taxes. Transferring “conditional poverty welfare” to dividends is path to eliminating homelessness, and not having a 50% clawback on work income that is a huge work disincentive.
Progressive versions of UBI/freedom dividends is just a higher amount with higher taxes. But a conservative version that still tries to maintain (as close as legally allowed systemic) slavery, is still a path to a long term sustainable fix for country.
End to proxy war on Russia.
Facts genuinely support that US/NATO controlled/manipulated Ukraine into provoking war on Russia. By far the most demonic war the US has ever started, with specific objective of diminishing Russia to the last Ukrainian. That Blackrock can get cheap land and resources in the end does not help Americans. Nothing about this war helps world. Climate sustainability cannot be a 2nd priority to war, and oil industry profits, and forcing massive diesel use and refinery terrorism to operate the war. Pure demonic hatred/mission to destroy/destabilize Russia is not going to get it to cooperate on energy transition. Before Biden, they were cooperating with Europe to mutual benefit.
Massive war spending increases from NATO to match forced Russian/China production increases is not path to human sustainability, or even a path to likely victory over Russia/China. Getting the DNC to force us into candidacy of the most republican/neocon/zionist candidate possible makes all progressive policies impossible due to lower priority. Both a small UBI, and war de-escalation, means having a progressive alternative have a chance, instead of appealing to the Dick/Liz Cheney wing of the democratic party.
Facts genuinely support that US/NATO controlled/manipulated Ukraine into provoking war on Russia.
You misspelled “delusions”
I’m going to ignore the rest of the garbage that you wrote as it’s obviously of similar quality.
Ooh, a Russian troll! Quick, whack him with the hammer, they’re worth extra bonus points!
no one ever counters how wonderful you life is for having a war on Russia. Post was about saving the world.
Everyone here was alive when the invasion started. Russia invaded Ukraine. THEN Ukraine considered entering NATO. They were happy to stay out of it as long as Russia stayed away. They didn’t. Some saw it coming, as Russia has violated just about every treaty they’ve entered.
Everyone here was alive when the invasion started. Russia invaded Ukraine.
No, you just woke up then. Israel “loved Palestinians” before history started on October 7th. When history started on 9/11, it was proof that “they just hate us for our freedom”.
Russia’s red lines for not being forced into the Ukraine war were consistent prior to war, as they are now. It is west/Ukraine who lied their way through Minsk process.
It’s so sad watching idiots repeat what they’ve been told to. Please attempt to remove Putin’s lips from your ass so I don’t have to see him puppet your body with his tongue.
Our country is fucked but we don’t need idiots who weren’t functional enough to go to Ukraine shoveling shit and lies at us.
Bullshit. Begone Trumpist troll
If we don’t get a handle on the debt it will be like Greece 2.0
Lol, Greece and US are as comparable financially as a dog and Uranus are.
You don’t understand history try to again.
its like reagans term, but 100x worst, because they are being worked through with russia backing all these groups.
Historically, it has to get worse before it gets better. It’s gonna suck for a while, but I have faith that humanity will come to it’s senses when things start getting bad enough. I hope this whole mess will be the catalyst that leads to great change in humanity in the future.
How is humanity not in its senses?
My brother sent this to me the other day and I gave it a watch. It feels pretty unbiased (although I’m uneducated), and seems to have a more macro, zoomed-out view of America and just nations on the whole. I thought it was pretty interesting and it helped to put some things in perspective.
Very interesting, but I don’t feel better after watching that… :(
Ha, I should’ve mentioned that you definitely won’t. It seems to paint this damned if we do damned if we don’t picture. But it at least paints a picture, versus what can at times feel like this great big unknown. It may also shed some light on some of the motivations for what’s happening. I dunno.
Waiting for a repeat of Jan 6 from the other side, or a civil war, or the sovcits to take over, or all of the above, or some other unknown catastrophe.
Whatever disasters may or may not have come about due to “bad” presidents in the past will pale in comparison to the events of the next few years.
Lol… friend, take the shit outta your head and heart.
They want you to feel helpless/hopeless. Don’t. Don’t let them win. Be positive, show love, and feel love.
Right now, this is what the left wants. They WANT you to be helpless/hopeless. You’re a lot easier to control that way.
Everything is fine (sorta). Ok, maybe not, but don’t freak out.
Trump won’t do everything right, but he’s taking an axe to the federal government, and that is always a good thing.
Screw the feds. Take down the feds. (Now I’m on a list)
Trump won’t do everything right, but he’s taking an axe to the federal government, and that is always a good thing.
You’re either five and the phone should be taken away, or about to become very aware how fucking stupid this take is.
But he’s draining the swamp! And the bogs, fens, wetlands, critical aquifers…
It ain’t the left that’s in power, it’s the right. You’re not on the side of freedom fighters, you’re on the side of oppressors.
The average empire lasts 250 years, for the US that year is 2026. The US has been in a downward spiral for decades.
what do you mean “done”? the answer is obviously no, but i want to know more specifically what your question is. why was this even posted? where is your house
A lot of people are discussing the legal or revolutionary frameworks, but there’s a very human story to all of this. The government is run by people, and people are human. They make mistakes, backstab one another, get sick. They compete for different goals & subvert. It’s politics.
Morality is about respecting other moral agents, but it’s also about self-defeating principles. If you constantly lie, then there is no trust. Without trust, there’s room for speculation, rumor, & fear. Everyone on eggshells constantly. That’s partially why these fascist systems aren’t sustainable. However, as the world has become interconnected, so have the global elite. Fascism isn’t just here: it’s in a lot of places. There’s likely secret (and not so secret) actors pulling those strings, not to sound conspiratorial.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction in physics. Like others have said, I’m not sure about my faith in the USA, as it is today: 50 states and some territories holding “together”. The culture and economy of the Northeast is vastly different than the Southeast. The USA absolutely had its hand in much of global politics over the last 100 years. Russia was the USSR in the 80s (~40 years ago); I think this is our “equal and opposite” moment of a world power fracturing. My expectation is the USA splits up, but I’m not sure what comes next. I don’t know if that’s “screwed”, but it’s not as it is today.
Communist revolution
It’ll take decades to repair it
It won’t and shouldn’t be repaired. We’re not going to kintsugi the republic back together.
Oooo kintsugi. Nice metaphor.
Nah. Just ignore all laws that slow it down.
We got all this dooming 8 years ago as well. We were fine then, we will be fine now.
They literally attempted a coup when they lost the election, so no, everything was not “fine”.
The precious norms!
We were not fine then and neither are we now
Upvoted for the optimism. Let’s hope you’re right.
Magic 8 Ball says: Most Likely
All states should leave the us now ASAP.
Except maybe New York and Florida, because they have given him shelter.
Not just them
God I hope so
God I hope so. I have absolutely no reason to keep surviving, I hate being alive, I hate that any of you are alive, let’s get the nukes out and boil the fucking oceans.
But the cats did nothing wrong… 😿
Organic chemistry was a mistake, one we have the arsenal to correct. Push the whopper button.
No. It’s going to get worse for a while, maybe forever, but it won’t ever collapse until outside forces put boots on the ground. The thing about the USA is that it’s the United States, not singular state, so even if the Federal Entity is in turmoil or even collapses: the USA will continue operating at limited capacity.
The day that the USA is done will be the beginning of the third great war.
Duh.
Next question.
How many realize Doge was originally a misspelling of Dodge, used to describe scams and confidence games?
[Citation needed]
Are you… are you being serious?
Earflap@reddthat.com 4 days ago
The constitution was created for the sole purpose of containing a tyrant and mitigating any damage they could do.
Its never been tested on a real tyrant before though, so I guess we’ll see how well it accomplishes that. It uh, isnt looking too great though.