They don’t all agree on anything. Logic and reason aren’t part of the requirements for MAGA.
Does anyone actually know what MAGA all agree they are getting out of all this?
Submitted 4 days ago by Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 4 days ago
db2@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Their axially frowned upon. They love the uneducated.
BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 4 days ago
Please tell me your choice of “Their” was a joke…
ozoned@lemmy.world 4 days ago
I’ve talked to friends that were very excited Trump won. Recently tried having an open conversation with someone that left my community afterwards over the conversations because I didn’t come to his side.
They just believe it’ll be better. What better? They don’t know. They can’t verbalize, because they’re told it’s terrible now and will be better.
They believe Trump isn’t a criminal, didn’t incite violence on Jan 6, the woke people are out to get them, etc. I’ve literally asked people to define “woke” for me when they use it that way. They can’t. They don’t know. They’re not bad people, they’re brainwashed at this point.
scarabic@lemmy.world 4 days ago
I agree. I’ve heard people say that they willingly voted for a criminal rapist huckster and I don’t believe that. They thought he was something different. They are fucking dumb, not evil.
Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Reactionary ideology is all about protecting privilege by demonizing marginalized people. They believe in zero-sum rights and privileges: in their view, expansion of rights for another group inherently means a loss of rights for them.
shalafi@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Bingo. Conservatives believe that if someone outside their group is given anything, they lost that thing.
It’s stupid simple, zero-sum game theory is the only thing they believe in.
Lemmy: “It’s RACISM!”
No, it’s far simpler than that.
scarabic@lemmy.world 4 days ago
It’s also racism.
RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 4 days ago
Not a loss of rights, a loss of advantages. They want to keep them.
meyotch@slrpnk.net 4 days ago
The way it is playing out in my family has led me to have to totally reevaluate my perception of my own father.
He is a generally kind man. He stayed with my mom for two decades as she declined with Parkinson’s. He took good care of her when so many people might have ghosted.
But based on his inability to see the danger here to things he himself values, I can no longer think of him as a good man. He has always valued knowledge and reason yet he swallowed the cat-eating crap out of Ohio in spite of the clear bullshit of it.
He is Mormon and very faithful. So I don’t know what he gets out of this all, except that it has required me to grieve him before his passing.
He is not actually a good person I am afraid, but he is very obedient. Learning that distinction is very painful. He does not possess the moral clarity to know the difference between what is legal/popular and what is right.
I always idolized my dad as a child because he was in so many ways a good father. We will probably never speak again.
MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 4 days ago
“ He is not actually a good person I am afraid, but he is very obedient.”
Sadly this is the legacy of the LDS faith.
AngryRobot@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Don’t forget the cliqueiness. I’ve been the victim of the mormon cliques more than once.
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 4 days ago
I shared with my mother, only yesterday, that I consider her somewhat of a bad person for voting for orange for a second term. I said that she could be forgiven for not perceiving what he is the first time (though it was obvious to anyone with limited understanding of the world), but after seeing him in action and voting for him again, she should be ashamed of herself. I don’t expect the relationship to ever fully recover, as I will not forgive her for endangering my loved ones and all of us collectively.
fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 4 days ago
Sorry for your loss.
Religion sucks so much, especially the more dogmatic ones. Mormonism is gross.
One insight I would offer is that categorising people as “good” or “not good” may not be helpful. I suspect that your dad probably invests a lot of effort in being a good man, he’s just unable to acknowledge that his perspective has been corrupted.
We judge ourselves by our intentions but others by their actions.
It’s not wrong to never speak to him again, but maybe this will make the mourning easier.
meyotch@slrpnk.net 4 days ago
Thank you.
Yes, I agree black and white categories aren’t the ideal way to describe people.
But there comes a time when nuance is used against the compassionate to normalize reprehensible actions. We are in that time now.
It is for these reasons that I cannot stand listening to NPR anymore. The ineffectual hand wringing and disingenuous ’liberal self-reflection’ is tiresome and we are well past the time for thoughtful think-pieces.
HelixDab2@lemm.ee 4 days ago
I’m very grateful that my parents have never lived in the Utah bubble; they saw right through Trump in 2016, and, for the first time in their lives, voted for someone other than a Republican.
Keep in mind that Benson was hard right; he would have thought that John Birchers were leftists. He and his faction may not have led the church for very long, but they had a profound influence on it.
AA5B@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I have a brother who leans conservative, but not part of the cult. He is generally a good guy but a combination of being surrounded by conservatives and believing too much of what he reads online.
He’s an engineer at an old time manufacturer and especially condemns DEI hires. I have no way of judging whether they really do hire primarily for reasons other than merit, or if he has a limited perspective informed mostly by his peers, or if it’s really a generational problem as he’s part of the old timers being replaced by upstarts.
meyotch@slrpnk.net 3 days ago
It’s probably partly generational. I mean the old guard got pensions and we get wtevs.
People who aren’t in leadership often have no idea how to judge actual merit anyway. Especially among engineers who often develop very myopic views informed by their tech specialties. I am often gob-smacked by the incredibly stupid ideas otherwise brilliant engineers have about how the world works.
So sadly folks like your brother are probably feeling validated for their racist feelings right now.
joel_feila@lemmy.world 4 days ago
It can hard to see good people do bad things. To learn all that love came with limits
militaryintelligence@lemmy.world 3 days ago
It hurts people they think are lesser, such as LGBTQ and people of color. Racism and bigotry are very much alive in the USA
Retro_unlimited@lemmy.world 4 days ago
I normally do not talk politics with people I know, but this one person said they like trump because: “all I know is when he was president, I did good financially”.
I tried to tell him that the government is slow to enact things so he did good because the previous president. He didnt want to hear that and dismissed it.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 4 days ago
If that’s all he knows he doesn’t know very much.
tacosplease@lemmy.world 3 days ago
My cousin said the exact same thing.
They don’t know shit, but they still vote with such confidence. It’s maddening.
Professorozone@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Like most MAGA.
UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 4 days ago
if you ask a hundred of them…
you will get a hundred different answers.
they voted because it made them feel good and addressed their anger. not for any rational reasons. it’s why they are so surprised at what is going on.
they had NO IDEA what they were voting for or why they were voting.
Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Are they surprised about what’s happening? I don’t actually think they realize or care at all as long as it’s their boy doing it
GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world 3 days ago
True.
One conservative acquaintance voted for trump to bring Jesus to the country and to stop abortion.
Another voted for trump because they worship money and believe that another trump administration will help him get richer.
WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 3 days ago
They will 100% sacrifice their own happiness and rights if they know it’s hurting people who live their lives is ways they don’t like.
This isn’t an exaggeration.
finkrat@lemmy.world 3 days ago
They literally want bloodshed and the world to burn
This is conservative vengeance
And everyone is going to suffer from it
w3dd1e@lemm.ee 3 days ago
I realized this during the 2016 election. People always say they are voting against their own interests, but their only real interest is to spite someone else. Hurting other people is a win, for them.
ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 4 days ago
Validation for their feelings and a return to a mythologized past. Try having a reasoned political discussion with someone like this:
Well back in my day things were just better. America was the best and we didn’t have to apologize for that. And the blacks and mexicans and what not didn’t complain so damn much because folks were wired different back then and there wasn’t nothin to complain about. Chuck Berry. You know Chuck Berry? Greatest rock and roller of all time and he was colored. Didn’t nobody have anything to say about it, he was just damned good at guitar. Now the kids - black kids - listen to all sorts of damnable noise and them from the cities in gangs shooting each other up and corrupting good old white kids in the small towns and suburbs getting them into drugs. And they whine and complain about racism and get the white college kids to whine and complain too, but we had a black president and look how that turned out. Granted he was a muslim and not even a citizen, but try tellin them that. I mean hell look at what Hillary did to all them folks at Benghazi - just let them muslims kill all of em , probably wouldn’t have been politically correct to fight back. And those democrat cities just keep letting illegals stay because they know they’ll vote democrat - they don’t care how many of them are raping and murdering women and kids long as they get their votes. Not even just the mexicans anymore, you got those communists gangs from venezuela taking over whole apartment complexes and the defunded police cann’t do anything about it. You know something was wrong with that Biden election - not just illegals voting but I saw on Fox that they were sending out dozens of mail-in ballots to blacks and college kids and what have you. Maybe Elon’s going to fix it now since he knows all about those voting machines. Liberals voting for dead people too, but that’s been on the news since Bush - I don’t know why nobody does anything about that. And you know what? We knew which bathroom tonuse too - we figured out a genius method. I’ll tell you: drop your drawers and look down. Then you’ll know. And you’ll know if you should be on a mens or womens track team, too. It’s probably because all the kids have autism from the vaccines these days - now I guess they’re mutants because of that COVID mRNA vaccine too - but not me. No sir. I’ll stick with the DNA god gave me. That’s probably why all the boys think they’re girls now. Or cats and try to piss in litterboxes at school. People knew who and what they were once. They knew their place, worked hard, and didn’t complain. Now if we can just get Trump in for a few more terms then he’ll set everything straight and get rid of all those regulations so.I can afford eggs again.
These folks are genuinely operating on an entirely separate set of facts and assumptions to us. They have decades of counterfactual propagandized conspiracy theories, which are too numerous and ingrained to easily disabuse them of.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 4 days ago
I couldn’t even finish the paraphrased quote. I want to slap this nonexistant being who never actually said those things, because they never existed…but in a way they exist everywhere. Like I just screamed, knowing I can’t reply to you, and put some facts in place, because you’re not actually saying those things. You’re showcasing the spirit of someone who does say those things. And I get it. I do.
I just also want to scream into a pillow.
ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 4 days ago
It’s exhausting. And trying to convince someone like that of anything is basically impossible. I have had painstaking, well-reasoned and well-sourced political discussions with many people like that. Funny thing is, I can almost always get the to agree to progressive or socialist policy goals. But, there are all these ideological land mines and, if you trip one, then they fall back into their defensive web of miscellaneous falsehoods and conspiracies.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Reads like satire.
scarabic@lemmy.world 4 days ago
If they like Chuck Berry, they’re gonna love Morgan Freeman.
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 4 days ago
MAGA doesn’t know.
They’re fearful, hateful, instinctive idiots who are more afraid of being proven wrong than anything. The definition of ride or die.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 4 days ago
They want you to suffer. Their lives are miserable, and their media has taught them that it’s YOUR fault. So now they want you to suffer.
Hint: the reason it’s this way is that the elite control the media. If you’re fighting with your financial equals on the other side, then both sides aren’t getting together to fight the rich.
octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 4 days ago
Hint: the reason it’s this way is that the elite control the media. If you’re fighting with your financial equals on the other side, then both sides aren’t getting together to fight the rich.
The focus of this cartoon is, I believe, an Austrailian(?) politician. I think it works though as “generic oligarch” or “Republicans.”
Don’t forget folks:
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 4 days ago
I believe the Australian is Rupert Murdoch, owner of Fox news and The Daily Mail
___@lemm.ee 3 days ago
I’m going to go on a less extreme take. They’ve been told from childhood they live in the land of opportunity, yet they work in dead end jobs or working fields.
They see money flying away every paycheck they live week to week on while being pumped propaganda (that people in suburbs and urban areas don’t see) that shows people who look different from them getting gov’t housing and getting programs funded with their tax dollars.
The same party they now demonize supports ridiculous looking gay parades that show a mentality they don’t understand, so they begin to hate. They wake up morning after morning in the same place with no change, and they stew and stew and stew.
So now they basically give up and see a hyper-masculine wannabe saying all the things against those who are different, and the long encrusted anger starts spewing out.
Most of the comments here are ignorant and hate filled against the wrong people. It’s not the MAGA supporters that did this, it’s the system. We need to stop polarizing ourselves with hatred and point the finger at those truly responsible. Not the poor (literallly) voters who are so dejected and living in decay that they just don’t give a rats ass anymore.
The more you hate the other side, the less you see the truth. The goal is to make you hate them. The goals is to make them hate you. You can’t define an entire person in a paragraph.
Dozzi92@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I think MAGA represents to Republicans what progressives like Bernie and AOC represent to Democrats. Republicans were able to reimagine their party into a form that isn’t just going to follow the status quo that, like you said, has led to a stagnant existence for average Americans over the last 50+ years. And stagnant is probably a nice way of putting it, since buying power has essentially disappeared, on top of wages barely moving.
So Trump comes in, he says drain the swamp, and you hear that to mean the whole machine, everyone who, for the last 50 years (and some folks have been involved in that government for a good chunk of that 50 years, just perpetuating that status quo) has allowed the rich to get richer at the expense of the working middle class.
And so you toss on your blinders. You’re not necessarily a bigot, but you believe social issues are a distraction from actual problems (i.e., ones that affect you directly), and you vote in a way that you hope will better your life. It’s hard to blame someone, especially someone just exhausted from grinding through their shitty life, for thinking about themselves. It’s not the right way to think, but I get it.
Makhno@lemmy.world 3 days ago
And so you toss on your blinders. You’re not necessarily a bigot, but you believe social issues are a distraction from actual problems
Tbf, identity politics are 100% used as a smokescreen
boonhet@lemm.ee 3 days ago
This is pretty much it, in my view.
Americans need to watch the Estonian-Georgian movie Tangerines before demonizing “the other side”. Besides an anti-war movie, it’s also about a movie about how two sworn enemies realize the other is also human.
yourFanatic@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
Many years ago, I was at a “friend’s” house and his mom watched Bush on Faux News. He said, “We’re loyal Republicans. We’d rather have an idiot in office than a Democrat.”
Breve@pawb.social 4 days ago
Crabs in a bucket. They don’t care if things get worse for them as long as they inflict the same suffering on everyone else.
paequ2@lemmy.today 3 days ago
A MAGA I know told me this is all worth it because he doesn’t want his son to know gay people exist and wants revenge on the people who told him he can’t say “Merry Christmas” anymore…
Pulptastic@midwest.social 3 days ago
So straw man arguments and a misunderstanding of sexuality.
AA5B@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Oooh, big words there fella. What are you, educated or something?
VinesNFluff@pawb.social 4 days ago
“We made people we don’t like fucking miserable for a bit”
Ultimately the kind of person that goes all in on a cult like MAGA could lose everything to shitty policy or because their great leader started a war or smth – But they’ll still reason it was worth it because all those <Slur>s were put in their place.
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 4 days ago
Hurting their perceived enemies.
jpreston2005@lemmy.world 4 days ago
This really is the only right answer.
Tedesche@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Pretty sure the common denominator is “owning the libs.”
It’s not just liberals that are voting against their opposition than they are for the political candidates they vote for; the other side is largely doing the same. That’s why American democracy is failing: we’re so disillusioned with our own parties that we’ve been reduced to voting for them just to keep the opposition from power. Hence, no matter how we vote, we’re dissatisfied, but we tell ourselves pretty stories to make it all right. The only real winners are corporations, which have all of these clowns in their pockets.
Nemo@slrpnk.net 4 days ago
I’ve been saying it for years and every time I’m told “but if you don’t vote the lesser evil the greater evil wins!”
Well, as predicted, if you do vote the lesser evil the bar is lowered year after year until both are significantly more evil than before. Standards must be enforced. We need to demand candidates that are better than last year’s, not just better than the opposition.
Tedesche@lemmy.world 4 days ago
I agree, but I honestly don’t know what the solution is. Beyond blind revolution, which is inherently chaotic and difficult to predict, I don’t see a solution. The U.S. seems doomed to spiral in the same way we’ve seen other nations do so for the foreseeable future. It all depends on how this current administration plays out and how people react to it in the future. Americans are so uneducated and gullible these days that I can’t predict how they’ll behave (and I’m an American).
MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Are you making the assertion that each successive candidate gets more evil? Do you think Bill Clinton was a more moral person than Barak Obama?
Takumidesh@lemmy.world 4 days ago
If the lesser evil were consistently voted in year over year, the evilness would slowly decline.
The problem is that doesn’t happen. The lesser evil is often not selected, that’s the part that shifts the scale.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world 4 days ago
They get to say the n word with confidence, in certain situations, far from large groups of POC’s, at their dive bars… surrounded by their christo fascist friends… where was I going with this?
joel_feila@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Some believe that we are reclaiming American greayness. That the tariffs are just china writing a big check to the usa. That majes feel like we are finally fighting back.
You have other that just feel good that dei, woke, sjw, litard, liberal, etc etc policy are goibg away. So society cab finally put good compient people in jobs and not be held vack by forced racial quotas.
You have other that love tge nazi salute stuff and really feel lije the government is finally working for them.
You have many who just feel good its not a democrat in office
IronKrill@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
Check r/conservative and you get a fair idea.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I do. There is no information there i couldn’t find written on a bathroom wall.
IronKrill@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
That makes sense, it’s probably the same people writing both messages.
Briaaahn@lemm.ee 4 days ago
They’re too deep to take it back now they gotta go full nazi and act like everyone else is the problem
Squorlple@lemmy.world 4 days ago
It hurts people who aren’t in their arbitrary in-group, and they believe that is good. They believe any affliction to them by way of those harming the out-group is a necessary sacrifice to cleanse society of the evil sin of not being in their arbitrary in-group.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 days ago
They think all of the gov’ment was corrupt and bad, so they’re cheering for the destruction of all gov’ment.
phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
They’re a cult, everyone within the cult implicitly agrees on the reality that matches what the leader(s) say regardless of what the leader does. There are many pipelines into the cult, gamers/incels, being an outcast for some reason, the general shitty state of things, etc they all lead to a desire for things to be better in some way. The leader promises this and everyone in the cult agrees that following the leader will fix these things somehow. If the leader does something contrary it is justified simply by saying that you as not the leader don’t understand. There’s 5d chess being played and while you’re awesome and good with 4d chess because you’re in the cult only the leader and some of the higher ups know the 5d strategy. Don’t worry and trust the leader. Drink the Flavor aid, your kids and friends already did.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 days ago
they want to be openly fascist
ToiletFlushShowerScream@lemmy.world 4 days ago
They get to be part of a cult of hate?
Opinionhaver@feddit.uk 4 days ago
There is no more consensus about anything between MAGA people than there is among the left. People are individuals and they have different values. Voting for a party/candidate doesn’t mean they agree on everything. There’s likely greater difference in views and values within the groups than between them.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 4 days ago
the left
Quick reminder: America has no left. The Dems are centre-right vs GoP far-right (and counting).
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 4 days ago
This is very true.
Here in Missouri, for instance, voters went red but also passed a $15 minimum wage, required paid sick leave, and voted down an abortion ban. It’s ironic, considering Democrats always insist that if they just get more
conservativecentrist they’ll win elections.
cabbage@piefed.social 4 days ago
It seems to me Trumps strategy is always to promise different, often contradictory, things to different people. Anti elite is the red thread.
By tearing the entire country down, I guess a lot of his base feels he is successfully fucking up the elites. They like him because his different and promises real change, and I guess that's what they are getting.
radix@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Causing a complete collapse of society to own the libs.
DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 4 days ago
“That’ll show em!” They said, proudly looked at the divet in their face where their nose used to be.
errer@lemmy.world 4 days ago
This is actually what many of them want: no government at all telling them what to do, but they’re safe because they got guns! And that’s where the thought process ends.
anomnom@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Add in that they think once they stop paying taxes they’ll be rich like Trump too.
Plus an serious dose of racism.
the_fuzz@lemm.ee 4 days ago
The complete collapse of society, but not to own the libs. It’s to set up a new political system controlled by billionaires as techno feudal lords:
piped.wireway.ch/watch?v=5RpPTRcz1no%3Fsi%3Dfev-O…
They’re not even trying to hide it:
thenetworkstate.com/the-network-state-in-one-sent…