No need to boil the ocean

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• rockSlayer@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Just wait until they try heating the raw milk in a pressurized container at 200° F

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  • Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    200° F is 93 C.
    And now we have it converted to Metric, we can easily calculate that heating 1 liter, is 1000 grams = 1000 calories per degree it needs heated, so if it was cooled at 5° C you would need 88000 calories to heat it to 93° C.

    Isn’t Metric funny. 😀

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    • runner_g@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I agree that metric is superior in almost every way, but I’m here for pedantry. 1 calorie is the amount of heat it takes to heat 1 gram of WATER 1 degree Celsius. Raw milk is slightly more dense than water so it would take a few extra calories. Cheerio.

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    • dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      How many grams of fire to make 88000 calories?

      To heat from 40F to 200F with 10 pounds of milk is 1600 degreelbs and we can heat 16000 degreebls with 10 buffaloxen of firewood, so, conveniently, we know this process takes one clean buffalox of firewood. Pretty trivial in imperial* units.

      I agree of course with the use of metric (even if it’s fun to take the piss), but you’ve arrived at an equivalently meaningless result in either case. Now if you want to use a calculator and go from calories to kWh, it’s a different story.

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    • mikatukana@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Okay, but how many horses do I need?

      Checkmate. /s

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  • dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Brilliant. Use your pressure cooker InstaPot and save time!

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    • intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Mandela Effect time!

      There’s never been a product called “InstaPot”. You just hallucinated that along with millions of other people. It’s called “Instant Pot”; always has been.

      Other things that also never existed:

      • Stouffer’s Stove-Top Stuffing (It’s always been Kraft)
      • McDonalds hash browns orders with two patties (it’s one)
      • Haas avocados (Hass, and always hass beeen)

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• Godort@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  “Tech bors reinvent trains, but worse” makes perfect sense if your end goal is to grift people.

  Everyone knows what a train is, and any investment firm will be able to understand the material, land, and labor costs because all of that is well known and documented.

  When you have an idea that no one has ever done before, then the costs get nebulous. Getting funding turns into a marketing problem, and thats a lot easier when the person paying doesn’t know exactly what they’re getting. Every investor wants to be on the ground floor of the next major innovation, and your job is to convince them that’s what this is.

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• Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Also, I really feel the need to point out: pasteurizing isn’t what makes the milk less tasty. Homogenization is what skims the fat and makes it into bland watery (and profitable) Supermarket milk.

  But ironically, boiling milk is FAR worse for it’s nutritional value to pasteurizing it. Boiled raw milk is less nutritious for you than Supermarket milk. It IS tastier though, but pasteurized raw milk does exist, which is great because it tastes like a desert, AND won’t kill you.

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  • Bezier@suppo.fi ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Never tasted a desert, might try that

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    • jaybone@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Keep water handy.

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    • Maggoty@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I have, it’s overrated.

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    • Prandom_returns@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s a bit dry.

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  • Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Homogenization doesn’t skim the fat. It breaks the fat globules up into very small particles that form a stable emulsion that doesn’t separate. All they do is pass it through a high pressure nozzle.

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    • Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      True, but generally they ALSO skim the fat right before/during. You don’t have to though

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  • Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So what you’re telling me is: ‘no homo’?

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  • feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    skimmed milk for life

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    • SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Image

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    • dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yock

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  • evasive_chimpanzee@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The term that people should look out for is “creamline” or “cream-top” milk. It’s whole milk that is unhomogenized. It basically separates in the bottle, so there’s a layer of cream floating on top of skim.

    I couldn’t say for sure, but I’ve heard it’s better for making cheese/yogurt/etc.

    Personally, I wouldn’t buy it just for drinking cause I don’t think it lasts as long.

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• niktemadur@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Rediscovering well-established shit from first principles and a science-illiterate, history-ignorant stance.
  I’m betting the raw milk thing re-entered society via the crystals and essential oils crowd?

  The same type of people that said back in the 70s - or maybe even before - that television screens emitted cancer-causing radiation.
  In the 90s they were saying that about the magnetic fields in digital alarm clock radios, too. Completely oblivious to the night lamps by the bed, those also conduct electricity. But noooo… it was the tiny LED screen that suddenly made the difference… I guess?
  Also completely oblivious to the Earth’s titanic magnetic field dwarfing and drowning whatever they had with their little gizmos in their normal-sized bedrooms in the 90s.

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  • octopus_ink@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    IME you are pegging entirely the wrong group of people.

    For at least 10 years the only people I’ve heard making a stink about being able to get raw milk are the same folks complaining about fluoride in drinking water.

    That’s not so much the crystals and oils crowd as it is the fuck your feelings crowd.

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    • Acemod@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There is significant overlap with those people.

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    • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I have a family member that converted to some weird Christian Judaism (don’t ask me), has always been super into oils, and more recently became an anti-Vax and raw milk person. So that checks out… haven’t spoken to her since she went cray, but I would bet most of my money that she is MAGA too now.

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  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Rediscovering well-established shit from first principles and a science-illiterate, history-ignorant stance

    This is basically the entire process Libertarians go through before realizing they’re idiots… They have to re-learn all of the things we’ve already collectively learned as a society, generations ago. But I guess they just can’t believe that we need taxes to fund roads and water infrastructure, until they experience it first hand.

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    • Malfeasant@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What you’re talking about boils down to who to trust. Unfortunately, governments are notorious for abusing such trust. I can’t fault anyone who questions the way things are, and why- assuming of course that they are receptive to answers other than “it’s a government conspiracy to control us.” Not that that’s never true, but it’s usually not.

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    • intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Is our corn subsidy written in blood?

      Has it spilled any blood by existing?

      High fructose corn syrup’s pretty damn bad for people, and it’s everywhere because of government subsidies.

      I guess the big question is: can government code cause death too? Or only prevent it? Are we always safer with more laws on the books?

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  • smeenz@lemmy.nz ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The earth’s magnetic field is nuch weaker than a simple coil in a transformer, as can be easily demonstrated by holding a compass near said device and watching the needle align with that instead of the earth.

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    • Holzbesteck@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The earths magnetic field influences the needle when I am standing 400+ km away from magnetic north. To have the coil of a transformer influence my needIe, I have to be relatively close to it. So I feel like your statement is incorrect.

      I’ll happily be corrected if I overlooked or misunderstood something.

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  • Snapz@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If you’re betting on that crowd, you’re just choosing to overlook the fluoride in the water, gay chem trails, 5G tower and microchips in the COVID vaccine crowd. There is some overlap with the crystal people sure, but much more Alex Jones/QAnon, full on violent basement demon crowd.

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• aesthelete@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Wellness influencer doesn’t know the definition of fucking…raw?

  Yeah, that checks out.

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  • horse_tranquilizers@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Oh she knows

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    • LordWiggle@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No lube right?

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• KazuchijouNo@lemy.lol ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Sometimes I’m appalled by humanity forgetting how to make cool stuff that they could do in antiquity and then had to re-discover it, like roman glass, concrete, etc. And then I come across stuff like this and it all makes perfect sense.

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  • Peppycito@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’ve always been intrigued how scurvy has been “cured” several times but only really got figured out in the 20’s after Shackleton’s expedition. And then even still, scurvy is back in the news with people being too poor to afford food.

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    • intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      In the book How to Spend $75 Billion to Make the World a Better Place, a team of economists finds the most effective use of money to improve humans’ lives is to buy and distribute vitamins in malnourished areas.

      These are areas where people have sufficient calories, but lack certain nutrients in their local diets. It’s relatively cheap to just buy and distribute tons of vitamin supplements to fill in those gaps, allowing kids there to grow up without developmental deficiencies.

      That book’s scope is the whole world, but I’m sure it would be very helpful to do the same in the US in food desert areas too.

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  • lennivelkant@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Much of Roman technology was lost because the collapse of state capacity and according administrative capacity rendered the balance of agrarian to non-agrarian workers unsustainable.

    A high equilibrium, where the products of population centers supports and enhances the productivity of the agrarian surroundings while administrative pressure (like taxes) encourage the trade between the two: If the farmers need to pay taxes in coin, they need to sell surplus to merchants who ship it to cities to sell it. Conversely, the craftsmen producing iron plows, pottery and so on need coin too, so they sell tools, which the farmers buy to improve their yield. The state also buys services (like construction) and the elite buys luxuries, further creating jobs and fostering more technological development.

    (Obviously, the elite skim a lot off the value produced by others - just because they did some good for others with it doesn’t mean they didn’t primarily do a lot of good for themselves.)

    But when internal strife, plague, worsening climate, desperate invaders and identity politics all start breaking that machine, it’s hard to keep it from falling apart. And once the rural argarian production can no longer sustain the cities, the skills and crafts of the urbanites get lost.

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    • TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The loss of Roman concrete happened before the collapse of the Western Roman empire. This is one exception to your insightful comment. Major public works were halted in the last century before the collapse. The last major project in Western Europe was the Temple of Minerva around 325 CE.

      In Constantinople, a small church, tha Hagia Irene, has concrete walls. Larger works, like the famous city walls, don’t have any concrete. It honestly may not have been an appropriate material choice, but other projects didn’t use Roman concrete either. I think this might be because volcanic ash wasn’t readily available.

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• Snapz@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So who is going to put out the fires, libertarian?

  Well, everyone will just regularly pay a little to the person that has a fire truck and they’ll put out the fires when needed.

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  • Kichae@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I can’t wait for the future where we’re paying subscription fees for a thousand separate essential services and the libertarians start suggestinf thet there should just be a service that provides a single source for paying and managing all of tjose subscriptions.

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    • intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah imagine a government you design collectively and then opt into. Sounds horrible.

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    • Mongostein@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Honestly, we’re at a point technologically where we should be able to digitally vote for what at least a portion of our tax dollars pays for.

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  • Hadriscus@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    SOCIALOST

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  • Dozzi92@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    And if someone doesn’t pay the fee, perhaps theyre at risk of fire.

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  • Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Worked great for Crassus

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• bunchberry@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Boiling things isn’t guaranteed to make it safe, because sometimes bacteria produce toxins as a byproduct that are heat-stable, so if you kill the bacterial you can still get food poisoning if you drink it.

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  • Carighan@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Couldn’t one invent a way more effective if more complicated heat-treatment cycle and a corresponding plant for performing it, and then ideally standardization to ensure this is always done this way before milk is sold for consumption?

    Some influencer should get onto that!

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  • bluewing@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So pasteurization does nothing?

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    • MrConfusion@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The goal of pasteurization is to kill of harmful pathogens. If you do this early and package and store the milk in the right conditions it can be stable and safe for a long time.

      If you don’t pasteurize the milk and leave it for a long time, pathogens in the milk, such as bacteria, can potentially produce toxins. Boiling it at the point might not help, no, as it kills the bacteria, but can leave behind the toxins.

      So pasteurization is very effective if done early, but you can’t do whatever you want to the milk and then pasteurize it right before using it and everything is good.

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    • bunchberry@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No, the point is that bacteria can produce toxins in between a company packaging a product and a person receiving it and then boiling it themselves. Companies have to kill the bacteria prior to shipping it. It’s similar to canned foods for example, they put it in the can then heat up the can to kill the bacteria, then ship it, so it shouldn’t have any harmful bacteria in there to begin with.

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  • uis@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Most of those bacteria with stable toxins are anaerobic

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• YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If I had this misfortune of having raw milk I guarantee that I would boil it before consuming it.

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  • Paddzr@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    As someone that grew up on a farm.

    Yeah, “raw” cow milk isn’t to be consumed. You’d be shitting your guts out for hours.

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    • beerclue@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I read somewhere that certain places have a very large amount of people with lactose intolerance, like north America. I used to drink raw milk, straight from the bucket my grandma used to milk the cow. Never had any issues. Grew up on a farm in Romania in the 80s.

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    • HostilePasta@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Grew up working on a dairy farm, definitely drank raw milk and didn’t shit my guts out. It would if you drank, like, a LOT of it. But seriously you’d have to drink more than a cup or so.

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• TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Just boil the cow first.

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  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Sous vide

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  • ours@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Brazen cow

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• droporain@lemmynsfw.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Tech bro shitty train = Tesla tunnel.

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  • Zannsolo@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I thought it was roads made for self driving cars

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    • droporain@lemmynsfw.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Lol didn’t you read Tesla hiring for driving for robot cars.

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• TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  rediscovering science is one of my favorite things about the human mind. The brain is hardwired to fuck with shit and figure stuff out, often at its own harm.
  It’s so nice seeing people taking stuff apart to learn how it works, it’s how we learn!

  My grandpa immediately after getting married went home and disassembled and reassembled my grandma’s hairdryer for fun, as expected she wasn’t very happy about it. This kind of mentality is what led him to becoming a high up worker in a paper bag factory then later a grocery store manager.

  (obligatory DONT mess with CRTs and Microwaves, they can kill you)

  I started my computer science obsession by going against my dad’s command and plugging in a different mouse that wasn’t as old as the one that was used on the family i3 dell optiplex computer.
  I went against his suggestion and used Firefox instead of chrome. These learning opportunities often backfired, I’ve nuked my OS (both windows and Linux) like 5 times by this point and had to reinstall, but I wouldn’t have it any other way. I want to get some sort of a junk 2nd car that I can tinker with without messing up my own car that I need.

  I think exploration and mistakes are adorable and should be encouraged.

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  • Manzas@lemdro.id ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    5 times

    Rookie numbers

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• captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  something something alkaline water with lemon

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• 0b0b@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Can’t wait until they suggest heating it to a mild temperature (perhaps 140F) and keeping it there for a length of time, ensuring it is not exposed to the air.

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• phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  God i hate humans, they can be so stupid.

  Don’t trust what someone else figured out! Instead let’s all get sick, let a bunch die, and then someone will figure out something that totally wasn’t figured out a hundred years ago, no no, it was figured out by these super smart skeptics!

  I used to call myself a skeptic until the word was hijacked by these idiots that question science but believe all religions and conspiracy theories.

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