Zero emissions? I know people find it ha ha funny, but farts legitimately contain methane and other green house gassses.
Cows for example are a large contributor of GHG
Anon takes the horsepill
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fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
Aeri@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
plus if we had as many horses as we did cars we would be living in a horse shit apocalypse.
iii@mander.xyz 5 weeks ago
Compress into brick, then build tower. Now you also have tower.
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Yep before the automobile streets were covered in horseshit.
Godric@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
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If you think a horse has the environmental impact of an automobile, I have a bridge to sell you
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Horses aren’t cows
Mercuri@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I mean you’re not wrong but no matter how small an impact it’s still not ZERO emissions, so the guy you’re replying to is technically correct.
Anivia@feddit.org 5 weeks ago
Look at how much calories a horse needs per day, and then look at how much CO2 gets emitted to produce said food
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
If you think a horse has the environmental impact of an automobile
At what point reading my comment did you come up with this?
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muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
This is complete bs.
Photosynthesis can only get carbon from the atmosphere. This carbon is then turned into plant material in grass. This grass is then eaten by the cow. A small portion of this grass will be converted into methane and other byproducts in the cow’s digestive tracks. Some will be turned to energy for the cow and a vast majority will be shit out as raw unprocessed material. This raw unprocessed material, i.e. cow shit, this will last in the environment sequestering more carbon for longer time than just grass sitting there by itself. A grazed paddock will grow more grass than a non-grazed paddock because the cows are eating the fucking grass. i.e. more carbon from the environment is getting sequestered in the grass and the cow shit.
The only reason that cows get such a bad wrap is that variouse other factors are being counted that really shouldnt be under cows. Deforestation to grow plants to feed livestock, the transportation of meat, livestock feed etc etc.
A properly managed grass fed beef (like what we have here in australia) actually has a net negative effect on ghg. The factory farmed beef eating corn in a shed thats never seen a blade of grass is whats actually causing the ghg seen in the reports.
We have already seen this narrarive been used to strongarm small farmers grazing cattle while the multinational farms get away with fucking the environment cos they can afford the cost of beurocracy.
We are all just 3 warm meals away from anarchy thats somethibg we should di well to remember.
Tldr: cows in sheds eating corn is the problem, cows eating natural grass actually sequester more carbon than an empty field.
Ps. Its not “cow flatulence” its “enteric fermentation” (burps) cow farts just makes a better headline.
sukhmel@programming.dev 5 weeks ago
I think you should’ve put TL;DR in the beginning, otherwise it looked like you’re arguing cows don’t fart, when you were actually about net effect.
I never thought about it from this side, but it makes sense, and seems like another way big corporations fuck the world up.
ikidd@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I can’t believe my eyes, someone that isn’t spouting the usual bullshit about cows and GHG on Lemmy.
I’ll be gobsmacked.
merc@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
tract
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Ok, no cow riding.
loaExMachina@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
I feel hay and grass may end up more expensive than anon thinks… For grass, you need a big place where your horse can graze. Anon either is such a big landowner or intends to rent such land, but it won’t be cheap. Then the hay for when the horse is kept indoors… Gotta be a lot of hay. And the means of bringing and storing the hay may be of non-negligible price. Then there are vet bills, because horses can get sick or injured…
I knew someone who owned horses long ago. Well, more like someone whose parents owned horses since we were kids. They even had a coach that these horses could pull. But they didn’t use it as a means of transportation unless just doing a simple roundtrip for leisure, and there’s a simple reason for that: You can’t leave your horse for hours on a parking spot. You can tie it up somewhere maybe, but not for a long time, there aren’t many places fit for leaving horses nowadays.
Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 5 weeks ago
there’s a simple reason for that: You can’t leave your horse for hours on a parking spot. You can tie it up somewhere maybe, but not for a long time, there aren’t many places fit for leaving horses nowadays.
This is why you just need to move somewhere with a significant Amish population first. Like, significant enough that local infrastructure plans around them.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Lexington, KY has a ton of horse hitching posts/ bike rack posts. That may be because they maintain a fairly decent mounted police division.
Mercuri@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
From what little I know about horses, almost all your time is spent trying to make sure they don’t kill themselves. I can leave my vechile outside in the cold for weeks at a time and not have to think about it.
nutsack@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
if you tie it up outside and leave it there and it dies it didn’t kill itself
HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
That makes horses relatable. I can’t relate to being a non-sentient bundle of metal and glass and stuff, but I can relate to freezing to death and killing myself.
Horses win.
Malfeasant@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
And, when it’s no longer useful, you can eat your horse.
Mercuri@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I regret I have but one upvote to give.
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Gotta get a work horse!
Mango@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Fuck, that’s depressing.
roguetrick@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I mean it’s not because they want to die. We’re just talking about an animal that can die if it gets indigestion. Some biological engineering points when it comes to horses are frankly quite bizarre.
SanndyTheManndy@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Horses can’t be beat in the post-apocalypse for speed, but for most other things you probably want a donkey or mule. Far sturdier, easier to handle, can eat anything, and has no regard for wolves.
Deme@sopuli.xyz 5 weeks ago
As long as there’s roads or smooth paths left, an ordinary person can do 200 km in a day on a bicycle. A quick search tells me that specifically trained horses can do 160 km in an endurance race. Sure a horse would probably be the fastest in a sprint, but a bicycle has the best travel speed.
SanndyTheManndy@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
All roads are gonna be blocked by defunct cars. If we’re more than 5-10 years into the post-apocalypse, the roads are gonna be a series of craters. Still, a mountain bike will beat a horse in terms of utility. I wonder how the two compare in terms of repair-ability.
toynbee@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I’ve never really interacted with them, but from what I’ve read, they have no regard for much of anything.
Laser@feddit.org 5 weeks ago
And why would they
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 5 weeks ago
0 emissions
FYI: Horses fart and methane is a greenhouse gas more potent than carbon dioxide.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I’m also intrigued by the “costs $1000 and $750/year to maintain” claim, as the horse people I know spend closer to 20x that.
solarbabies@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Humans also fart methane, is that a reason not to ride them?
FantasmaNaCasca@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
If your ride consents to that, just pug the hole.
Valmond@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
No.
nonfuinoncuro@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
they um also breathe
bstix@feddit.dk 5 weeks ago
Not through the mouth though.
doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
$750 a year to maintain health
Lol
ikidd@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
$750/month if you have to stable it.
Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Yeah, this might be 750 dollars worth of bottom of the barrel, wholesale, oats needed to give the average horse enough calories to survive.
HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
These prices are ridiculously incorrect, but we can dream and strive to build a horsepilled world.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 5 weeks ago
My in-laws have some horses on their little hobby farm. They grow and bale their own hay which gives them an excuse to play with their antique tractors and makes it affordable enough to keep the “hay burners” around. I agree the prices anon provides are pretty rediculously low
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
You will get an OWI if you ride a horse drunk.
Source: I know a guy who trained his horse to ride from the bar to his house on its own. Cops still pulled him over because he was sleeping on the horse.
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 5 weeks ago
Dumbest shit ever. I literally have a designated driver under me!
Depress_Mode@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I’m pretty sure it depends on the state and whether or not that state considers a horse to be a vehicle/device. Alabama, for example, I believe does not consider a horse to be either, while I think California does. There’s this story that sometimes gets submitted to TIL-type communities where a man from Louisiana was decided to be ineligible for a DUI charge after doing exactly that, but he was still given a court summons for “disturbing the peace by intoxication”.
Valmond@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
In sweden there were some cases where people lost their driving license because they … Walked home drunk so yes it do depends a lot. Guess drunk horse riding there is not legal.
SwordInStone@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
OWI?
snugglesthefalse@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Operating? While Intoxicated
Ajen@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
False - you can get a DUI on a horse (in some states).
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
That is a shockingly cheap horse.
rumba@lemmy.zip 5 weeks ago
Ignoring lack of parking, slow travel and waste disposal, it’s more like 3-6k if you already live on a farm. 5-10k if you board it with someone, and you’ll likely need a car to get you to the stables.
A bicycle however…
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Believe it or not, riding a horse while drunk is also an offense in many places.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Except you can’t drink and ride a bike in many areas. I doubt most cops would enforce it though.
gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
US government will let you adopt a horse or mule a year for super cheap as long as you can care for them and can pick them up
My wife and I are considering a mule for tasks around our acre and it’s less than getting most other animals
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
That’s all well and good, but I’ve spent years around horses and owners…long enough to know that I’d never want one, at least not one you’d actually intend to use for any sort of riding if I had a choice.
Animals that can be cranky, bite, kick, needs farriers, training, vet bills, meds, food, tack, trailer, shelter, stable, or barn, land to keep the horse healthy and not too confined…
$1750 is not horse money. Not by a long shot. Not in the context of this hypothetical argument where one might trade a horse for a car.
There’s a reason people traded these magical animals for cars.
echodot@feddit.uk 5 weeks ago
Where is this guy getting a horse for $1,000 from?
roguetrick@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I mean if you want any old horse and can transport it you can often get them for free. They’re like pianos
Zagorath@aussie.zone 5 weeks ago
The lowest emission vehicle you can own is an electric bike.*
Will cost 1–4k and way less than $750 annually in maintenance. Can get a road-only one or one capable of going off-road. Does not require insurance or licensing. Can’t legally drink and ride, but you’re very unlikely to get caught if you do, and unlike drink driving the risk is overwhelmingly only to yourself.
Keeps you fit and healthy by being active in your daily life.
* yes, lower even than an analogue bike, because the electric motor is more carbon efficient than human muscle power which requires eating more.
Waryle@jlai.lu 5 weeks ago
yes, lower even than an analogue bike, because the electric motor is more carbon efficient than human muscle power which requires eating more.
Everytime I saw this claim, it ended up being bullshit. What’s your source?
LNRDrone@sopuli.xyz 5 weeks ago
Where the fuck you store it though? A shitty car you can park anywhere, a horse is gonna take some space. Especially for us poor fucks where the temperature drops below freezing for part of the year. Car just maybe not gonna start today, a horse might not start ever again.
svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
What constitutes reliable is a matter of opinion I suppose, but the first concrete statement of fact:
0 emissions
Wrong, right out of the gate.
sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
Lmao $750 a year 😭
vordalack@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
I don’t think the horse pill means what anon thinks it means…
FuryMaker@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Faster travel > everything else
GrymEdm@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I know it’s a joke. If I was taking it seriously: I don’t want to spend several hours getting to a job across town. And then storing the horse at the job and then several hours back.
cheeseburger@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
theacharnian@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
Horse poop everywhere.
Thorry84@feddit.nl 5 weeks ago
0 emissions? Methane from cattle is a large contributer to climate change. If we had as much horses as we have cars, the amount of methane would be too much to handle.
ieatpwns@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Also the cost of fixing a horse is a new horse
GBU_28@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Fuck your Honda Civic, I’ve a horse outside
Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
I kinda doubt you are allowed to ride a horse drunk
tfowinder@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
Car shits smoke. Horse shits … well … Shit!!
Vincente@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I think this shows a kind of intellectual impairment.
ch00f@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
If you need more convincing youtu.be/ljPFZrRD3J8?si=bgJHowZxESRcEFle
count_dongulus@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
750 a year? Wtf is this retard smoking. Cost for land, hay storage, water, vet, and farrier. Human time cost to feed them twice a day, get rid of or spread the shit. Blanket, saddle, bridle. You’re looking at a few thousand a year minus the time sink.
oce@jlai.lu 5 weeks ago
This article says 8 to 11k. horserookie.com/average-horse-cost-by-state/
xploit@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Interesting, I recall a colleague in UK mention that it was costing her up to 20k a year. That was her max but not always/everywhere - would have been almost 30k USD at the time, so it sounds considerably cheaper in US but obviously a lot more land available and affordable
count_dongulus@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Had em in a poverty state 29 years ago 🤷
taladar@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
That link about car cost is from 2021, pretty sure inflation had a significant impact on that in the last few years too, not to mention car companies getting rid of lower end options for a while now.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Maybe if you drive a fancy new car, but an older, reliable car can be much cheaper. For example, I drive a Toyota Prius that I’ve had for 10 years, and I paid $10k for it (approximately). I’ve driven about 100k miles, spend about $3k on repairs, and have spent about $500/year on insurance. So an estimate for total costs is:
Total cost over 10 years is $27000, or about $2.7k/year.
So that $3k/year low end figure is actually a little high for me, and I ended up rounding most of these things up. I’m guessing a cheap EV could come out even cheaper.
iii@mander.xyz 5 weeks ago
Almost all of those problems are solved by your local park.
Vet costs can be reduced by the skillfull application of healing stones.
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 5 weeks ago
horse sick? get a new one
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Yep. Once upon a time, you had to be very wealthy to own a car.
Now it’s horses.
taladar@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Cars are still the most significant expense in most people’s lives after shelter and certainly the most significant in terms of cost per actual time used.
XTL@sopuli.xyz 5 weeks ago
I doubt that owning horses has ever been cheap either.
henfredemars@infosec.pub 5 weeks ago
Indeed. This was obviously written by an anon who knows nothing about horses.
Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Yeah but horse
iii@mander.xyz 5 weeks ago
Important argument many fail to consider
BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
He said to keep it alive, nit to actually care for it in any meaningful way.