If I’m remembering right, wasn’t this specifically developed to assist in helping to better identify victims of human trafficking?
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SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz 4 months ago
Lyre@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
Boy that would seriously mess with the narrative of this comment section if that were the case
SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz 4 months ago
It’s been used by people for nefarious purposes, regardless of its original intent. Both perspectives are valid.
unipadfox@pawb.social 4 months ago
Of course the creator is going to tout the most morally upstanding use of his app. If it genuinely helps human trafficking victims, then that’s another story, but from this quote it just seems like he has some vague hope about it.
RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
wasn’t this specifically developed to assist in helping to better identify victims of human trafficking?
The author of the article you linked doesn’t seem to believe that.
SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz 4 months ago
The creator stated their intent, and the author disagreed. Does that opinion make the creator’s statement untrue?
It’s a weird situation & definitely a slippery slope. Was it his intent? I honestly can’t say. I guess it’s certainly a possibility.
I don’t think this kind of app is harmful in itself. This kind of thing can & will obviously be used/weapon used by stupid shit-heads for their own agenda, but those kind of people will utilize literally anything that exists to justify their shit-head views.
todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 4 months ago
The author of the article is right not to believe this claim. The author can say that their software was intended for whatever noble uses they want. We know from experience that software has mainstream off-label use.
Is BitTorrent really a tool for downloading community content like open films and Linux distros? Because that’s what the creators say it’s for. It’s not untrue.
Is Jellyfin or Plex a tool for organizing your ripped collection of CDs, DVDs, and Blu-rays? That’s what the developers say. It’s not untrue
Is Tor a tool for protecting dissidents? That’s what they say it is. It really is that. But is that all it is?
This tool might be useful for identifying sex trafficking victims, just as a nudifying app might be useful for identifying victims of involuntary pornography.
But on the other side of this is that nudifying apps are more likely to be used to create involuntary pornography, and makeup-removal apps are more likely to be used to harass women.
No reason to ban AI technology or anything, but no reason to pretend that tools like this aren’t used for off-label and sometimes nefarious purposes.
rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Notably unbiased person Internet McJournalist
Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It’s wild that hundreds of years ago, high society women would wake up to put on makeup. They’d literally never be seen without it. Waking up at crack ass morning, wear makeup, then make breakfast.
My wife and I went for a walk and she didn’t even wear a bra.
Life is great.
dexa_scantron@lemmy.world 4 months ago
There are plenty of women who live like this now. It’s a cultural thing, not a timeline thing.
(Also high society women certainly didn’t make their own breakfasts… well, ever, but especially not hundreds of years ago)
shatterling@lemm.ee 4 months ago
And depending on the era, certainly in England, many high society people didn’t get out of bed until 11am or midday.
PythagreousTitties@lemm.ee 4 months ago
I love when your wife doesn’t wear a bra. It does make life great.
Shardikprime@lemmy.world 4 months ago
We all love this guy’s wife
Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 4 months ago
hun, step outside, I need to see if I need to bring a jacket…
PythagreousTitties@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Why have so many people down voted this? Do they not get it, or do they just hate nipples?
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 4 months ago
i like the idea that high society women would make breakfast, maybe they’d play at it but the actual breakfast would be made by lower class servants.
1984@lemmy.today 4 months ago
I’m not sure why this comment is so popular. If you travel, you see many countries on the planet where all women wear makeup all the time.
johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 4 months ago
This doesn’t look like a woman without makeup, it looks like a woman with makeup with a filter over her face.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Yep, looks like it was fooled by the fake contour on her right cheek and it doesn’t do much with her eye liner either.
Neato@ttrpg.network 4 months ago
I know jack shit about photo editing, but did this person just de-saturate the colors? The eyes and hair look like they are less vivid. Even the background looks different., less dark and more blue?
danc4498@lemmy.world 4 months ago
The real challenge is to use the app on somebody not wearing makeup.
snooggums@midwest.social 4 months ago
Do it twice and every woman looks like Gollum.
ogler@lemmynsfw.com 4 months ago
running a picture of myself through the app fifty times instead of getting an MRI
Emerald@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I wonder if eventually it’ll rip your skin off, revealing the bones you are hiding under all that fake skin
tacosplease@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Please don’t roast me here, but why is wanting to know what someone looks like without makeup such a bad thing? I’ve never even thought about it before, so please don’t take this as advocating for it. It just doesn’t immediately occur to me what the problem would be.
I get why it’s gross to have an app to remove clothing, but makeup feels like a different category.
What about an app that changes or removes hair? Or one for sunglasses/jewelry?
Are they all gross in some way that I’m missing? Is it creepy to remove makeup from photos but not creepy to remove earrings?
Meron35@lemmy.world 4 months ago
On the surface it seems reasonable, but it tends to have misogynistic undertones, especially if said towards strangers.
It’s like when the paparazzi publishes photos of celebrities with no makeup without their consent. If her makeup skills are good, she gets accused of “deceiving” people about her real age/looks. If her makeup skills are bad, she just gets called ugly.
hydriplex@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It’s kind of creepy to do anything to a photo without consent. I’m a dude with plugs, and it’d be a little off-putting if a stranger I didn’t know digitally removed my ear rings to see what I’d look like. This is how I present myself. You can see me without ear rings or makeup when I want you too.
Dozzi92@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Definitely thought you meant hair plugs at first, and that there was an app to give you male pattern baldness.
Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 4 months ago
I like that you asked. While I don’t hold a strong opinion on it, I think you could argue that it is about consent.
I will argue more strongly than I feel because I think it helps to understand the point. (Assuming the person wearing makeup is a woman)
If you don’t know the woman, why do you care if she wears makeup and how she looks without? It seems like there isn’t a legitimate reason for it without it being a toxic reason, like “look! she isn’t prettier than me!” Vibe. Which is toxic for both people. Now it was a man who made the app. Now there is the hating of women for wearing makeup reasons but let’s ignore those. (Case: Unknown feelings of the woman)
If you know the woman and you don’t know how she looks without makeup, then that is clearly a decision made by the woman. Why do you have the right to expose her in a way that she doesn’t want to be. I mean some women don’t care if you see their tummies and others would rather die. Should you have the right to expose a woman’s tummy? (Case: Implied decision to not show herself like that)
If you know the woman and you want to argue that you have a justified interest in how she looks without makeup because she is a potential Partner (if she is a partner, you probably know already anyway). You could easily argue that you have the same legitimate reason to watch to see her naked but obviously you wouldn’t think that it is a legitimate reason.
In other words, you shouldn’t care and it is kinda toxic to care; you don’t have consent to see them like it otherwise you would; you have no right to know.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I don’t know. I’ve seen a few examples of women who have radically changed their facial photographic representation via skillful application of cosmetics.
I don’t know what to do with that. On one hand, society expects them to use available techniques to change their appearance to meet standards of beauty very few can ever accomplish. Otoh, it’s dishonest because irl they’re not who they seem to be, so an app that shows them without makeup might be useful. But the catch-22 is that the app may not be right, or that we judge too harshly based on an unattainable standard.
Man, Beauty is fucked up in the West. CGI, photoshop, photo manipulation have destroyed reality in favor of manipulating what desirability is.
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Man, Beauty is fucked up in the West.
Its no different in the East.
todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 4 months ago
I’ve edited people’s makeup and faces as part of the process of learning Photoshop, so I understand what you’re saying. There are perfectly normal applications for this.
The issue is intent. A lot of men think that women are “lying” when they wear makeup. They think that the most valuable quality a woman can have is natural beauty, and treat makeup as trickery.
There’s no shortage of men who think “You’d look better without makeup” is a compliment too.
An app like this would inevitably be used to help streamline the process of harassIng and negging women online.
There’s also the matter that women can put great time and effort into their makeup, and having someone remove their hard work from an image and throw it back at them is quite insulting. A makeup artist is still an artist and they likely don’t want their peers wielding tools designed specifically to nullify their work.
It shouldn’t be illegal or anything. No law against being an asshole. But it isn’t an app that will be used with good intent in most cases, and we should definitely pay attention because the “modify pictures of other people’s faces and bodies” use case for AI appears to have the potential to do a great deal of harm.
undefinedValue@programming.dev 4 months ago
A makeup artist is still an artist
Bro I must have missed that section at the Louvre, can you suggest a few masterpieces for me to look up?
brbposting@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
bald
Snapchat’s offered that for years, though generally you get consent since you’ll point the selfie camera at yourself and a friend.
Hmm:
-> thinking about somebody naked
Widely accepted if you don’t talk about it
-> Photoshopping somebody naked
Widely despised (w/o consent). Maybe it’s too linked to the release at some point of the images. but I have a feeling even if no one ever posted that stuff, we would still feel icky about it.
Interesting, something is icky but I don’t know why
MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It’s not like we wear makeup as some devious plot to trick men and hide our real faces instead of you know, to look good for ourselves. Besides, I don’t think I look that different without makeup, sometimes people just ask if I didn’t sleep well last night if I don’t.
Anyway, if people really cared that much to see their favorite actress (me) without makeup, would you be interested in getting a copy of “Barbie”, now available on Blu-ray and select streaming services?
(and there’s “The Wolf of Wall Street” for the naked part.)
Agent641@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Thanks, Margaret Robbie. You are a pillor of Lemmy society!
MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 4 months ago
You’re welcome, Agent641.
Also, that’s esteemed Academy Award nominated character actress Margot Robbie to you!
SupraMario@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I might be the minority group here, but I prefer my wife without makeup. After our second date I told her I’d rather see her face as it is, than it be hidden under a mask. Everyone has flaws, it’s what makes us unique and there is beauty in that alone. She hasn’t worn makeup since and were pushing 2 decades of marriage now.
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 4 months ago
i mean you can apply makeup that doesn’t look like a mask, it’s the old adage of “if you’re not aware of it, it’s done right”
MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 4 months ago
I don’t think I look that different without makeup, sometimes people just ask if I didn’t sleep well last night if I don’t.
For the vast majority of women, that’s probably true, but you only need to look up makeup tutorials on YouTube to see that some women take it to a whole other level where they end up looking almost unrecognizable by the time they’re done.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
sometimes people just ask if I didn’t sleep well last night if I don’t.
I’ve heard this is a thing.
I’m a dude, I never sleep well. Anytime I look in the mirror, I can certainly tell that I didn’t sleep well, but I’m almost never asked about it.
I went for a sleep study earlier this year, I’m meeting with a doctor to discuss the findings in a couple of weeks. Hopefully I can get better sleep soon…
Even with that being said, it would be nice if someone cared enough to ask about it. At the same time, I can also see that getting asked that question a bunch, regardless of how well you slept, would be pretty annoying.
IDK. Everyone asks what I’m doing, never how I’m doing. It’s fine. I survive.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I can certainly tell that I didn’t sleep well, but I’m almost never asked about it.
But you’re probably also not told things like how you should smile more any time you don’t look cheery enough.
Man’s appearance just gets criticized less than women’s appearance.
Oaksey@lemmy.world 4 months ago
The self promotion on obscure forums for a handful of up votes and assumption that you are people’s favourite actress makes this account look more like someone pretending to be Margot Robbie, rather than it being genuine.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 months ago
That’s what she WANTS you to think
bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
Incel/redpill nonsense right here.
NaoPb@eviltoast.org 4 months ago
I hate how they have taken that redpill term to make it all uncool instead of how cool it used to be in the Matrix.
Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 4 months ago
Indeed, which is why I’m laughing
bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
Just echoing the ridicule
starman@programming.dev 4 months ago
redpill?
bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
“Red pill” is a matrix reference (take blue pill and go back to your normal life or take the red pill and “see how deep the rabbit hole goes.”) high jacked by sexist dudes who see “taking the red pill” as waking up to (perceived) social injustice against men. They show up in threads claiming women routinely lie about being assaulted and hide behind male victims (which exist and need to be heard) as they deny that women can be victims. They get made when a woman is in Star Wars. They were the ones constantly saying “me too has gone too far.”
uebquauntbez@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I developed methods which can tell you what women think too. It’s called Talking2M. It’s fun, mostly 3d, open world scenarios, sometimes multiple choice answers …
More details to come soon^tm^ with version 1,1b. Btw: Get a life!
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 months ago
The sad thing is that’s basically what people like Andrew Tate get notorious for- A man telling other men what women think.
I’ve never heard of a major female influencer telling lonely incel types how to get a girlfriend. But then I suppose she would be telling them to do things like “listen to what she’s saying” and “care about her problems” and that’s not what they want to hear.
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I’ve never heard of a major female influencer telling lonely incel types how to get a girlfriend.
There’s a few, but they say the same shit the male influences say. It’s pretty rough watching a 27 year old single woman telling men about The Wall.
Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Why would they drive their customer basis away? A lot of female influencers is basically soft porn. And it is the type you get pushed on the platforms and that have million of followers. Not the women focusing on their hobbies or societal issues or other actually interesting stuff.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I think I may have tested a Beta version because I get responses like:
- You know what you did.
- Empathise don’t sympathise.
- What should I wear.
- Be more spontaneous.
- Don’t plan without me.
unusual_anarchist@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
ah, the good ole “women be difficult” typa joke, tho I’d say I prefer the “i hate my wife lol” boomer ones
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 months ago
My wife almost never wears makeup. Basically only for things like job interviews.
And I don’t like how she looks in makeup, so I’m fine with that.
bstix@feddit.dk 4 months ago
As an older guy: It’s the same picture.
solsangraal@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
the app isn’t for men in relationships…
samus12345@lemmy.world 4 months ago
hakunawazo@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Classic app developer: Creates a problem for a solution.
BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I only wear a tiny bit of eyeliner, so checkmate men, what you get is what you see.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 4 months ago
the eye color change is suggesting women wear eye makeup?
Jomega@lemmy.world 4 months ago
No one here is talking about how the woman in the picture looks the same in both photos? Am I missing something?
NaoPb@eviltoast.org 4 months ago
Man, who would’ve thought they look like they don’t have make-up on when they dom’t have make-up on.
atro_city@fedia.io 4 months ago
RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Could you quantify “sometimes”? Asking for my wife
chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 4 months ago
“sometimes”…
blindbunny@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
I only date women that don’t wear makeup everyday day.
notsure@fedia.io 4 months ago
don't real men have a chart of the holistic 29 day cycle in order to offer a bath and pleasant smells in lieu of the "gift" of giving birth?
good fucking "god"
peoples is peoples. some have the burden of procreation. treat them nice.lugal@lemmy.world 4 months ago
#nofliter
RokAlamSeth@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
Jamilla is seething and malding because her pimp likes the new girl better
PenisWenisGenius@lemmynsfw.com 4 months ago
Is it true that you can talk to women? I’ve never tried it and I’m 32. I use Arch GNU+Linux btw.
danc4498@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Yes, but I don’t recommend it
danekrae@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I disagree. I do recommend using Arch.
abfarid@startrek.website 4 months ago
Taking to women is no longer considered a best practice.
Recommend upgrading to listening to women.
jettrscga@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It’s possible, but the feature isn’t supported on your OS.
herrcaptain@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
You can probably compile her yourself if you can’t find her in the AUR.
modifier@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
Absolutely! In fact if you’re on Arch you may have a built in conversation starter by discussing your collection of thigh-highs and seeing where that takes you.
Honytawk@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
Yeah, it is real easy as well
Just walk up to them and press “X”
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 months ago
So does FitGirl, tho. And I guarantee she gets laid like crazy.
Tyr_Raidho_Othala@reddthat.com 4 months ago
Certified pirate comment