There are old mushroom foragers and then there are bold ones. There are no bold, old mushroom foragers.
Mushroom ID
Submitted 5 months ago by fossilesque@mander.xyz to science_memes@mander.xyz
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Devdogg@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
Sylvartas@lemmy.world 5 months ago
There are no bold, old mushroom foragers
Sure there are, they just have to not eat what they picked up.
Source: friend’s mom once gave food poisoning to the whole family by serving them an omelet made with mushrooms she found, but didn’t eat it herself. Fortunately it was merely mushrooms of the “fucks up your stomach” variety.
Devdogg@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
“Once” has no effect on my statement. There are no Bold, Old mushroom foragers.
asuka@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
Okay, Brown Ben Plumm.
sushibowl@feddit.nl 5 months ago
Looks like a destroying angel (e.g. Amanita virosa) to me. This and the death cap together account for the vast majority of mushroom poisonings in the world. Cooking it will not destroy the toxins, nor will acid. Symptoms tend to appear 5-24 hours after eating, too late to pump the stomach. Half a mushroom can be enough to kill you.
I don’t recommend going out to pick mushrooms unless you know what you’re doing. If you do, stay away from the white ones. You can still get terrible stomach cramps and diarrhea from other colors of mushrooms, but the white ones have the most dangerous species.
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
Easiest way to avoid problems I’ve heard is to never pick any mushroom with ribbed underside. If the underside looks like a sponge, it’s usually safe to eat. At least where I’m from.
sushibowl@feddit.nl 5 months ago
Might be valid advice for some regions, I don’t know. But mushrooms tend to vary quite a bit in appearance. Sometimes ribbed species don’t have very visible ribs, or younger mushrooms don’t quite have all the characteristics of their mature form. If you really want to get into picking mushrooms, there’s often local groups you can join with a resident expert who can tell you which ones are safe.
TheSlad@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
Easiest way to not die from bad mushrooms is to not eat them because they’re fucking disgusting anyways
Taniwha420@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Yeah, the sponge underside mushrooms are boletes, and I am not aware of any that are poisonous.
ryannathans@aussie.zone 5 months ago
What about a base?
sushibowl@feddit.nl 5 months ago
Not sure about this one, but acid resistance is pretty relevant because of the typical stomach environment. In general, amatoxins are just very stable and it’s difficult to deactivate them.
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 5 months ago
i don’t think you want to eat it after that anyways.
mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
Neural networks are magical anywhere that near misses are good enough.
Companies keep using them as if they’re infallible, when lives and fortunes are at stake.
Tech is not the problem.
Paradachshund@lemmy.today 5 months ago
Tech is ravenously trying to convince the world they need AI for every aspect of their business. Tech wants you to think LLMs are infallible and they strongly imply that they are even if the fine print says otherwise. So personally I would say tech is very much part of the problem. One could say they are the root of the problem in fact.
QuantumSparkles@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
I think he’s referring to literal technology itself as “Tech” and you’re referring to the people trying to sell it as “Tech”—aka “Big-Tech” as some would say
smeg@feddit.uk 5 months ago
I don’t think the tech is the problem, it’s the business drones trying to sell you it
mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
The tech is not the problem.
Sabata11792@kbin.social 5 months ago
If you give out hammers to everyone, some people will end up with smashed balls.
fckreddit@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
Yeah, I have to agree with you. For example, I would have no problem using a decently tested LLMs for engineering simply because Engineering usually accounts for errors and uses appropriate factors to accommodate them. Sure LLMs could be get more accurate in future, but I believe the error will reduce asymptotically. Essentially, more accurate LLMs get, it will get that much harder to increase the accuracy. There is always a price to pay, IMO.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
“There’s always a price to pay” is basically what engineering is.
Anybody could build a bridge to last 100 years, or to survive a barge ship crashing into it, but it takes an engineer to build a bridge that will barely last 100 years, or barely survive a bridge crashing into it (which you could kind of say the F.S.Key bridge did, since only really the middle section was taken out).
Put another way, in the real world, there are budgets and sacrifices.
Erika3sis@hexbear.net 5 months ago
Amanita bisporigera, or the aptly named eastern North American destroying angel, if anyone’s wondering.
From Wikipedia:
The principal amatoxin, α-amanitin, is readily absorbed across the intestine, and 60% of the absorbed toxin is excreted into bile and undergoes enterohepatic circulation; the kidneys clear the remaining 40%. The toxin inhibits the enzyme RNA polymerase II, thereby interfering with DNA transcription, which suppresses RNA production and protein synthesis. This causes cellular necrosis, especially in cells which are initially exposed and have rapid rates of protein synthesis. This process results in severe acute liver dysfunction and, ultimately, liver failure.
I could not confirm that it causes liquefactive necrosis of the liver specifically, however. I wouldn’t doubt it, but I couldn’t confirm it.
booty@hexbear.net 5 months ago
joker-shopping i didnt even consider that this AI shit was going to claim to be able to ID mushrooms
ok ive been a little skeptical of the idea so far but now im fully convinced. this dumb ai shit is going to get people killed. like straight up more than one person is going to die because of these upjumped autocorrects masquerading as intelligence. and no one is going to be held responsible.
TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 5 months ago
[deleted]booty@hexbear.net 5 months ago
President Xi mandates it, unfortunately.
Deebster@programming.dev 5 months ago
I love fungi facts.
halvar@lemm.ee 5 months ago
This guy sees the most terrifying description of a toxin killing someone and goes “Yep, that’s a fun mushroom facto”
Infynis@midwest.social 5 months ago
To be fair, that is basically what’s to be expected from myshrooms
AsherahTheEnd@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Fungi are fascinating. Did you know that, if I’m recalling correctly, the largest living organism is a massive fungi?
A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 5 months ago
And reindeer are trained to follow the smell of human piss because they like tripping on amanita miscarriage, which transfers its psychoactive compounds through urine.
Wacky!
Donjuanme@lemmy.world 5 months ago
It’s not the shared root system tree in North America? I could totally see it being a mushroom.
lol_idk@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
Technically it’s still edible
qyron@sopuli.xyz 5 months ago
Once.
peteypete420@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
They said you die one or two days after eating. You could definitely eat more than once in that time.
MBM@lemmings.world 5 months ago
If you eat fast enough, maybe twice!
booty@hexbear.net 5 months ago
You’d have to use a very strange definition of edible. For something to be edible it does not only need to be able to fit down your throat, it has to be capable of nourishing you without harming you. You can swallow paper and it won’t harm you, but it also can’t nourish you and is thus inedible. You can eat this mushroom and it’ll probably provide some kind of nourishment, but then it will swiftly kill you and thus it is inedible.
Erika3sis@hexbear.net 5 months ago
Jimmy Neutron “sodium chloride” ass reply, “everything is edible at least once” is a common joke that works precisely because words’ definitions are not rigid
mononomi@feddit.nl 5 months ago
Which mushroom is it then? 😱
fossilesque@mander.xyz 5 months ago
Destroying Angel
keepcarrot@hexbear.net 5 months ago
No joking around when it came to naming it.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Sounds safe and yummy!
fox@hexbear.net 5 months ago
Eastern North American Destroying Angel. Half a mushroom is enough to completely destroy your liver and symptoms show up too late to do anything about them
Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 5 months ago
The symptoms can even disappear after some time, so you think you’ll be fine and then you experience a second onset that kills you.
fossilesque@mander.xyz 5 months ago
My fucked up brain goes like, “woah, I wonder what death tastes like.”
xkforce@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Probably bitter and followed by a slow agonizing death by liver failure.
TurtleJoe@lemmy.world 5 months ago
As somebody who has been through liver failure and transplant, it really sucks. I do not recommend it.
sunbeam60@lemmy.one 5 months ago
Wikipedia says the death cap tastes quite pleased, reportedly.
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 5 months ago
Saute in a pan with butter and garlic. Death will taste fabulous.
blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 5 months ago
2 mushrooms hard to fuck up in America.
I remember selling like 5 lbs of morels when I was a kid and getting like $200. That was without even driving to the city to make the real money.
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 months ago
note that chicken of the woods may give about 50% of people horrible nausea for several hours
fossilesque@mander.xyz 5 months ago
Chicken of the Woods is the shit!!!
MonkderDritte@feddit.de 5 months ago
What, a wood pilz that is edible?
treadful@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
There are also mushrooms that look like morels that you shouldn’t eat. Somewhat easy to filter out if you know what you’re looking for but maybe wouldn’t say hard to fuck up.
The_Tired_Horizon@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I remember being on a wilderness weekend many years ago and being told that when you cut the stem on some poisonous shrooms they discolour a sort of blue tint. I’m lucky, I hate the taste and texture of mushrooms.
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 5 months ago
I remember years ago reading you can tell if a mushroom is “magic” by blotting it on paper towel and seeing if it stains blue or purple. Unfortunately, that is also how many things say you can tell it’s toxic. Maybe you’ll trip balls. Maybe you’ll die. 🤷🏻♂️
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Mushroom haters unite!
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Funny you say this, there is actually a mushroom that does this color change but is edible. Allegedly doesn’t taste very good, though.
Best not to eat any wild mushrooms at all unless a verified mycologist can look at them first.
aeronmelon@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Adds this to the big list of horrible ways to die
TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 months ago
Thank fuck I don’t eat mushrooms
sagrotan@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Darwin machine
baseless_discourse@mander.xyz 5 months ago
Is blue sky “instance” just sub-domains?!
oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 5 months ago
ooh, amanita
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Fun guy
drasglaf@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
Amanita phalloides, if I’m not mistaken?
veganpizza69@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Is Gemini using the same model as Lens?
Neato@ttrpg.network 5 months ago
Looking over the wikipedia page on this mushroom and all the similar, very edible ones…Yeah I’m never foraging mushrooms.
ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 5 months ago
Yeah, I carefully read the description of its distinguishing features, studied the photo, and concluded I have no idea what I’m looking at and how to tell them apart.
Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
I’m really good at spotting differences or inconsistencies, I’m totally lost with mushrooms though, and I go multiple times every Autumn with a woman in her 70’s. She is very clear about what we are looking for. She throws out at least half of what I gather.
ulterno@lemmy.kde.social 5 months ago
Simple, just eat it and see.
If you’re dead, it’s poisonous.
If you are alive, you haven’t eaten enough.
StaySquared@lemmy.world 5 months ago
This.
I’ll just trust the dealer.
NightAuthor@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Mushroom lesson I did says that looking under the cap, spore color, what tree root system it’s growing in, can give you a really solid ID
Nakoichi@hexbear.net 5 months ago
chanterelles are pretty safe to forage if they grow near you.
pumpkinseedoil@mander.xyz 2 months ago
egg mushrooms 😋
AnarchoCummunist@hexbear.net 5 months ago
And this is why I grow my own. I’m very fond of Albino Texas PE6. Easy to grow, consistent, and you can clone and agar spawn over and over again. Such an aggressive little strain. And looks very distinct. Unmistakable.
fossilesque@mander.xyz 5 months ago
There’s nice little kits you can buy online for your kitchen. :)
Owl@hexbear.net 5 months ago
Mushroom foraging can be safe, but the rules are:
Always learn from a local guide first. It’s not transferable to other regions. Which makes books, let alone the internet, a really bad idea.
You don’t rule out dangerous mushrooms, you identify a specific edible mushroom.
Never trust a little white mushroom.
zaphod@sopuli.xyz 5 months ago
Is the main visual difference just the stem or whatever it’s called being much longer?
Risk@feddit.uk 5 months ago
IIRC, the only definitive way to ID mushrooms is by making a spore print - and even then you need to know what you’re doing.
Just doesn’t seem worth the risk to me.
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 5 months ago
Lots of differences but the simplest one would be that button mushrooms would typically have color to their gills—they usually start out pinkish and move to brown as they get older. Destroying angel has pure white gills.
But button mushrooms are actually not very beginner friendly despite their familiarity since there are other poisonous lookalikes in many areas.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 months ago
My wife wanted to take a foraging class and I pointed out all the similarities and said to her, if you don’t want to buy mushrooms from the store, we can just grow them.
flora_explora@beehaw.org 5 months ago
The two mentioned species are pretty easy to distinguish once you get familiar with them (based on gills, spores and the stem base). But I would never rely on an app to make the decision for me! If you exclusively go for easier groups where there are no life threatening species in your area (boletes where I life), you should be pretty safe.