Just coincidence
Submitted 3 weeks ago by Paddy66@lemmy.ml to [deleted]
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robomuffin79@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
cabbage@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
When I had the misfortune of travelling in the US one of the many things that were striking to me was the use of fasces in monuments, including engraved in marble on a war monument in Washington Square Park in NYC.
Of course it’s far from the most fascist thing about modern day America, but it was fascinating to see how blunt it is. I’d jump if I saw the same thing in Europe.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Many in Madrid in Spain too. So there’s that, I sure thought it was weird too.
redhorsejacket@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I feel like there’s a term for this sort of backwards misattribution of a symbol’s later meaning onto examples which predate their modern connotation, but I can’t think of what it would be. The war memorial you’re referring to was dedicated in 1920. Considering fascism as a political ideology had just started coalescing around Mussolini in Italy circa 1919-1920, it strains credulity to link the two. In a similar fashion, you wouldn’t suggest the presence of swastikas outside a Hindu temple indicates support for Nazism by default.
Fasces have represented the strength of the state dating back to the pre-Roman Etruscan kings. Therefore, seeing it on the national architecture of a Western nation which fancies itself as a descendent of Greek and Roman civilizations shouldn’t be that surprising, nor taken as a tacit endorsement of capital-F “Fascist” ideology. Case in point, do you know what’s prominently featured on the cover of every French passport? It ain’t a baguette, I’ll say that much. Heck, in 1953, France elected to keep the fasces as part of their diplomatic emblem, despite their very recent experiences in WW2 under Fascist rule. If we can give France a pass for continuing to use the symbol after post-war, surely that can extend to a 1920 Revolutionary War memorial in America. Unless every example of nationalism is equivalent to Fascism (and I readily grant that nationalism is a core tenant of that ideology, but allowances should be made for nuance), sometimes a fasces is just a fasces.
All of which is not to say that America is fascism free. Obviously not. Just that the above comment made me roll my eyes when there are so many better examples to cite, like the roving gangs of brownshirts disappearing people into nebulously legal holding centers.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Oh. If it always has been, then why fight it
NullPointerException@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
If you’re diagnosed with cancer, would you sit and wait to die?
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Awooooooga@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
What the USA is doing right now is unique to her history and it does the gravity of what’s happening a disservice to pretend otherwise.
Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Just because he idolizes the nazi military doesn’t mean he’s a nazi. He is of course. But that’s not why, everything else he does is why.
cheat700000007@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Nazis were a lot more competent and did drugs that improved their performance (in the short term)
LePoisson@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Honestly the Nazis were not this Uber competent group. Tons of in-fighting, poor strategic and logistical choices, and they did not run the government nor country in this rigid orderly way that is and was projected by their propaganda.
I would say they had a very good propaganda campaign that’s still ongoing and paying dividends. Once you look under the surface some and start learning more about how the country was governed it becomes clear there was plenty of room for improvement.
I mean, think about it this way, they chose to commit an industrial genocide on a hellacious scale wasting men, material and destroying the soul of a nation. How much more manpower would they have had if they didn’t commit these crimes against humanity and instead had drafted these folks.
Like I know it’s not a great comparison or awesome though experiment and lacking any nuance but I think it makes a point.
zebidiah@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
yeahhhhh but just barely, hitler was just ass much of a fucking nut-job as trump… he advised his generals to read less sun tzu and more karl may; a children’s book author, who wrote stories about cowboys and indians, who had never even visited the US.
this would be like trump telling hegseth to read more harry potter to figure out how to strategize better in the straight of hormuz…
fascists are always incompetent, because they are fucking clowns…
echodot@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
I’ve always thought the stylized eagle was an odd choice.
Nouvellalia@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s not odd. It’s a perfect fit for them. It’s intentionally on brand
yesman@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Symbols are for the symbol minded - George Carlin
The thing that makes this regime similar to the Nazis isn’t the way they draw eagles.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
This regime is symbol minded though, they do this shit on purpose.
bedwyr@piefed.ca 3 weeks ago
Just as the greased back hair seems to be popular in the cabinet and therabouts.
athatet@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
It’s a coincidence that someone ai sloped a pic of hitler to look like keggy boy?
echodot@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
What you don’t think that there is historical photography of Hitler doing that?
athatet@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Lemme know if you find one.
Yuccagnocchiyaki@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
One instance is a coincidence
You have this picture here as one ( we won’t even talk about he made the eagle more Nazi like)
They use a Nazi rune for the stage at the RNC where they proudly post the “joke” that they are domestic terrorists.
Their side is EXCLUSIVELY made up of Holocaust deniers.
Their side is made up of EXCLUSIVELY of this country’s neo Nazis and white supremists
Stephen miller plagiarized Goebbels
Trump kept and read Mein Kampf next to his bed
Trump, Vance, and musk campaign for and donate money to the German AfD party who are KNOWN to be NAZIS
Elon Musk “jokingly” sieg Heiled twice so forcibly that he grunted
They have built, and are still building , concetration camps.
Their new illegal bunker has a, very legal I’m sure, medical research facility in it
They all constantly talk about Eugenics.
They are bringing back public executions
This is all aside from. Their policy decisions. At this point, if I meet you on the street and you say that they ARENT NAZIS, we will have problems
CrimeIsLegalNow@ani.social 2 weeks ago
Not how exclusively is used in this context and unfortunately not true with the correct phrasing with Yakubites running around some parts of the DNC
Yuccagnocchiyaki@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Whoa you found a typo, good job refuting, GENIUS
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Department of war
Jiral@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The new name is oddly truthful, really not in line with their common stance on truth.
adarza@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
for being a ‘department of war’, one would think they’d actually be good at it.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Yeah, but the mask is now off, the bar is lowered.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Soon an even closer to the truth name would be appointed:
The Department of Strategic Miscalculations.
SalamiDommie@lemmus.org 3 weeks ago
Yes… Nazis, they’re all Nazis…
Goldberg fallacy in full effect.
king_comrade@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’m not familiar with the Goldberg fallacy and a quick google search failed me. What does it mean?
zbyte64@awful.systems 3 weeks ago
Maybe they meant Godwin’s law but now it is a fallacy because they really are nazis
lechekaflan@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Rear-echelon motherfucker wants to wear Hugo Boss.
adhdsergio@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It is ironic that his flavour of fascism includes adoring israel not hating it. Anyway, he’s not smart enough to be a very successful villain, hope to see him removed soon
MBech@feddit.dk 2 weeks ago
Hitler hated the communists, but sided with the Soviet Union until attacking them his next step.
Nouvellalia@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They love to force suffering on others.
It’s like a pressure release valve for them. When they make others suffer it slightly lessens their own terror for a moment.
Whatever bullshit they have to say or do, incantations, prayers, dumb hats, whatever to get to the part where millions suffer, they’ll do it.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They all adore ethno states.
lechekaflan@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
his flavour of fascism includes adoring israel not hating it
Obviously for money, for that country is one of the largest purchasers of US military equipment.
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Dog whistle
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
More like a fog horn.
DummyWOW@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Dog whistle implies they’re trying to hide it
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Well idk if most (non-nazi) americans can see the similarity with the right picture missing
bedwyr@piefed.ca 3 weeks ago
Hegseth is just a greasy bitch though. He is no leader.
BigPotato@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
In fairness, Hitler was a greasy little bitch too.
dellish@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
But he was a greasy little bitch who could inspire with words.
Rindel@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The new Wolfenstein looks like shit.
Hupf@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
The eagle is clutching arrows, representing a fasces, the root of the word fascism, representing the power of the state. Traditionally depicted with an axe at the centre, a fasces was a tool used by the roman armu to discipline soldiers. An axe for decapetation, rods for beating.
it is also the root of the word f*ggot, a bundle of sticks.
:3
CrimeIsLegalNow@ani.social 2 weeks ago
Eh, the fasces has a different meaning when you don’t include the axe. Unless you think fascism is when people work together.
wewbull@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Fasces are bundles of sticks, not arrows. The American eagle has always held arrows, along side an olive branch. Peace and aggression juxtaposed. Unless you’re saying that the US has always been a fascist state hiding in plain sight, it’s not the same symbology.
As to “faggot” meaning a bundle of sticks, yes that’s one (non-slang) definition of the word. Another is a type of meatball. The slur having any relation to the “bundles of sticks” definition is urban legend
Hegseth has obviously nazified the eagle, and made himself echo Hitler in an ill-fitting suit, for sure, but the links you’re coming up with are just bollocks.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
unlearned history repeats
mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
They learned, alright. They found it awesome.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
only thing they learned is how to fuck people over. they are using that knowledge on us even now
Bieren@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
wanna be temu hilter
lol_idk@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Cmon, it’s a really common pose
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
Not sure the pose is the primary issue here…
Viridian@lemmy.sdf.org 3 weeks ago
MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
Hegseth is a Hitler loving alcoholic who is actively ruining America and the world, but the eagle motif was present far before Nazis were a thing. Arrows are also a pretty universal symbol. I’m not saying you can’t draw parallels, but it’s not like he designed the seal.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Viridian@lemmy.sdf.org 3 weeks ago
I’m not saying they created them, but I’m still not convinced at all that their use of fascist iconography is coincidental. The combination of symbols and presentation reeks of it. It’s a dogwhistle like so much of what they do.
EatMyPixelDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
What a surprise 🙄
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
How much do you want to bet he studied that exact photo to get the iconography and pose right?
bleustenns@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
We must be more critical as a people of political images these days, the hitler image is AI… :/
lenocolomo@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Obama raised his Hand like Hitler while waving. It was only for a few moments. What are we even going at atp?
CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Not even close but ok, keep apologizing for Nazis there buddy
ragepaw@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Always with the whataboustism.
Alright, let’s play.
A guy who hasn’t been in charge of anything of consequence in a decade once did a thing where he raised his arm.
Whatabout ICE murdering people. Whatabout violating the constitution and trying to get rid of right of citizenship. Whatabout violation of the constitution about detainment without cause. Whatbout pulling aid from organizations that kept children alive, causing their deaths. Whatbout violating arms length financial dealing rules. Whatabout deragulating climate policies and making the world objectively fucking worse. Whatbout starting a war that was settled before someone had to put their eensy mushroom stamp on it and caused a global financial meltdown. Whatbout the fucking rapes. Whatabout the fucking cons and grifts.
But yeah… Obama raised his arm…
I could go on for hours whatabouting.
Instead I will say everyone in that administration is a garbage human being supporting a garbage human being and anyone who thinks they are OK or handwaves away their atrocities is also a garbage human being.
They all deserve to burn in the hell they claim to believe in.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Always with the whataboustism.
More a vulgar critique of asthetics without regard for material policy.
I might go with “Hitler Also Invaded North Africa” if I wanted a proper comparison. But you’ll get mega-yelled-at if you draw a straight line between Operation Odyssey Lightning and Operation Sonnenblume.
lenocolomo@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Yes my comment is sh’te, yes I didn’t care for the humour in this post, yes I decided to engage in this post. Everything you just said SHOULD though be taken seriously, 'cause it is not just a massive problem but just grotesque, against human rights and absolute fkery.
So, what I’m going at, my comment deserves the hate, but not 'cause of my supposed world views, but rather 'cause I just didn’t care for the joke for once.
I’m not going to delete my comment 'cause I know I would do the same as you all.
Pretty sure it is 'cause I’m just pissed off of my fellow leftists doing extreme / just dumb things and saying extreme / just dumb things.
Cheers
finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Hitler had one ball. Piss Pot Pete has none.
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’m not saying this image is generated, but it is at least a little bit weird that a reverse image search only shows this specific comparison. I even tried Google Images for a “Visual Match” instead of just Tineye, and nothing.
That, and Hitler’s eyes look weird, and the folded Nazi flags in the back look garbled.
FrostyTheDoo@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The image of Hegeseth is real, at the 5 second mark in this video
The image of Hitler may be altered
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Sorry, I should’ve been more clear; I was never questioning the Hegseth image.
SlothMama@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The Swastika is somehow completely flat but the flag is folded. It’s a not real image
Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
It’s definetly slop.
eah@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
So we’re all going to mass downvote the slop so as to deter further slop, right? Right?
Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
I agree the Hitler image is fake or modified. The Reichsadler is made to look even more similar to the Department of “War” eagle. The usual head shape of the Reichsadler was a little more burly and less like a bald eagle, I’d say.
Example 1
Example 2
Example 3
KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
The bottom right looks like the top of a heart, it’s a screengrab from a video
kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
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