MountingSuspicion
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- Comment on Why you should be polite to AI 1 week ago:
Regarding the post title, I didn’t mean to indicate it being your decision, just that the title in general feels misleading, seeing as no argument is presented and it purports to be about “why” you should do something.
I don’t really know a lot about the difference between instances, so I can’t really opine on that. From what I’m seeing, it does look as though people are having a discussion, they just don’t seem to agree with the idea as presented.
I’m not saying it has to be longer format. I’m saying no argument is made. She could have gave ai the same prompt but with a please and compared the results. I have done so below. She could have used the irrelevant middle section to just display screenshots.
It’s fine if you think people should be polite to ai. I think that’s great, but if you feel that way regardless of effect on response quality then this video doesn’t really make that point either. I think a post saying that and offering your personal opinions might’ve prompted more discussion on that topic rather than just disagreement with a video that doesn’t make that argument.
Here are two prompt comparisons. There is imho no difference in quality when saying please. The same results can be seen regardless of prompt length or how polite I was, I just chose short examples that could have been used in a video if they actually illustrated her point.
List five animals
Here are five animals:
- Lion
- Octopus
- Koala
- Penguin
- Jaguar
List five animals please
Here are five animals:
- Tiger
- Dolphin
- Raccoon
- Falcon
- Elephant
Create a limerick about being polite
There once was a person so fine, Whose manners were truly divine. They’d say “please” with a grin, And “thank you” within, And their politeness was truly sublime.
Create a limerick about being polite please
There once was a person so bright, Whose politeness was a delight. They’d hold doors with care, And listen with flair, And their kindness was always in sight.
- Comment on Fake job seekers are flooding U.S. companies that are hiring for remote positions, tech CEOs say 1 week ago:
What do you mean you don’t buy my argument? My argument that it is more detrimental to workers than owners? Then I’m not sure you understand capitalism, because money in workers pockets is inherently more impactful than money in a capitalists bank account. It’s a drop in the ocean for large corporations, but can be the difference between food or housing or healthcare to a worker. The company would be spending that money anyways, so it’s already accounted for. The nominal cost of recruitment is just going to come from a salary at the end of the day. All it does is serve to incentivize companies adding extra hoops to the hiring process and potentially screening out real people or causing extra stress/work to apply. This will not discourage workers from applying, since you know, the threat of capitalism still looms large and worker protections are low and are being dismantled day by day.
If you’re not coming from an anti capitalist place, then you’re right, I don’t get it.
- Comment on Fake job seekers are flooding U.S. companies that are hiring for remote positions, tech CEOs say 1 week ago:
I get where you’re coming from, but it’s pretty clear they are saying the fake applicants would not actually be doing the work. They are just taking the place of people actually out there looking for jobs and making the job search that much harder. Capitalists aren’t suffering from this as much as workers are suffering from it.
- Comment on Why you should be polite to AI 1 week ago:
I think the issue is the post title. If the title was “role-based prompt engineering” you probably wouldn’t have gotten as many comments and certainly not as many disagreeing. She says she’s going to make a case for using please, and then fails to provide any actual examples of that. Pointing that out isn’t sanctimonious, nor does it mean people are being rude to AI. If you want to make a moral argument for it go ahead, but it seems like she’s attempting to propose a technical argument and then just doesn’t. For what it’s worth, I generally try and leave out superfluous words from prompts, in the same way that googling full sentences was previously less likely to result in a good answer than just key words. AI is not human. It’s a tool. If being rude to it ensured it would stop hallucinating, I don’t think it’d make you a bad person if you were rude to it.
There’s a comment here talking about antisocial behavior in gaming, and imho, if you without hesitation kick a dog in a video game, I’m not sure I’d view you the same way after. Plenty of people talk about how they struggle to do evil play throughs because they don’t like using rude options for npcs. Not saying please to AI doesn’t make you a psychopath.
- Comment on Dropout’s Emmy Plans: ‘Very Important People’ Lands in Talk Series Category, ‘Game Changer’ Season 7 Not Eligible for This Year 1 week ago:
Totally agree.
- Comment on Dropout’s Emmy Plans: ‘Very Important People’ Lands in Talk Series Category, ‘Game Changer’ Season 7 Not Eligible for This Year 1 week ago:
Honestly, I don’t think so. I saw BDG (who I have been following for years) talk about being contacted for this. I think it was on the sad boyz podcast, and he was basically like are you sure you guys want me? And though he seemed like he enjoyed his experience and was happy with the outcome, I’m still kind of stuck on that stage. It really feels like recruitment was just a list of people that they liked and thought were funny and had nothing to do with their improv skills or how well this particular challenge went with their talents. I guess I tend to be in the minority of Dropout viewers in general though, because people also seem to like when Brennan plays with newbies, and I honestly do not find it that enjoyable. People talk about how it makes them feel better, or it’s more relatable or something, but if I wanted to listen to a bunch of random people with no background in improv who don’t know dungeons and dragons play Dungeons & Dragons, I’d just get my game group together. It feels like the whole thing has become more “let me hang out with my friends” then “let me make the absolute best show I can.” I am legitimately happy to see people I like get more work, but it really does not feel as though any thought was put into casting,and people are just going on these comedy shows that do not play into their comedic strengths. I don’t know if BDG was ever on smartypants, but I feel like back from watching him at polygon, that would be more up his ally instead of VIP.
- Comment on Dropout’s Emmy Plans: ‘Very Important People’ Lands in Talk Series Category, ‘Game Changer’ Season 7 Not Eligible for This Year 1 week ago:
Legitimately, thank you for your response. Sometimes it’s hard to distinguish normal people from stans that will just support whatever they do.
- Comment on Dropout’s Emmy Plans: ‘Very Important People’ Lands in Talk Series Category, ‘Game Changer’ Season 7 Not Eligible for This Year 1 week ago:
Are me and my friends the only one who have not enjoyed Very Important People? This and smarty parts are occasionally funny, but miss far more often than they hit. We have no idea why this has gotten any positive attention.
I’m not expecting to like everything they put out, but it feels like the show quality has gone downhill. I’m not upset about the price increase at all, but it feels like anytime I bring up my perception of the drop in quality, all I hear is people telling me to unsubscribe. I just have never met anyone irl that enjoys VIP and I feel like I’m taking crazy pills to see it’s been nominated for an Emmy. They have GREAT shows that absolutely deserve all the awards in the world, but I cannot believe VIP is one of them.
- Comment on Why you should be polite to AI 1 week ago:
She didn’t make that point at all. She starts with “not because of the robot apocalypse” meanders in the middle about ‘prompt engineering’ aka telling ai what manner you want it to respond in - Shakespearean, technical, encyclopedic - (yea, we know) then ends with “it’s better to be polite”. It’s clickbait. She literally does not address why saying please is important outside of the last sentence where she said it’s better to be polite. Saved you a click.
- Comment on Anon orders food 2 weeks ago:
I appreciate your take, but that’s not really the case. Women are open and receptive to compliments. Even from strangers, but the tone and context matter more since women have been socialized to fear unknown, especially aggressive men. Someone yelling their feelings about your body at you does not generally signal someone is a safe person. Here’s my response to the above comment: reddthat.com/comment/17768408
It has a link to women being politely catcalled and they seem ok with that. I know that I have personally received compliments from men that I was not interested in or with whom there was no real possibility of connection, and that’s been fine. Generally the problem is tone and context.
- Comment on Anon orders food 2 weeks ago:
Forgive me if I don’t think two comedians making a skit counts as a study. The camera is clearly visible and the women don’t seem to be credible at all and are clearly playing it for laughs. Often, catcalling happens to women who are alone and by men who could physically overpower them with no sense of it being funny or a joke. I mean, it’s kinda gross that they did this regardless, but I don’t really see it as a one to one. It’s hard to explain the feeling of concern that women are raised to have when it comes to being targeted by men, and it would be hard to put a man in a situation that mimicked that considering they have not been bombarded by stories of women stalking/raping/murdering men who they only saw in passing. Here’s women being “politely catcalled”: youtube.com/shorts/LNxf74FXyAs
Again, played for laughs with a visible camera and similar reactions from women as the men in your video.
The guys doing catcalling get upset when called out and admit they wouldn’t want it to happen to their family: youtu.be/jDoVckC6NhA
Do I think men don’t get as many compliments? Yes. But men can solve that themselves. Give each other compliments. youtube.com/shorts/aWLr03PJiuA
If these guys were catcalled by each other I have a feeling they wouldn’t like it.
- Comment on Anon orders food 2 weeks ago:
I think the difference is that this isn’t catcalling. If women’s compliments towards men were the same as men’s compliments towards women, I think men would also dislike it. Don’t get me wrong, I recognize that men don’t get compliments often, and often they stick with them, but generally those are complements and not catcalls.
- Comment on Anon is worried about men 2 weeks ago:
I never said it was all women, but clearly you’re not at a place to engage with this regardless. I hope things improve for you.
- Comment on Anon is worried about men 2 weeks ago:
Ok. That still doesn’t address your initial comment about people not caring about men, but it seems like that’s not actually a conversation you’re interested in. It’s extremely sad that people are becoming increasingly isolated and their worldview is being warped by things that are divorced from their day to day and exist exclusively online. I really hope that people are able to actually interact in a meaningful way with each other so that this skewed perception can be dispelled. People care. Not just about men as a whole, but about men as individuals. I sincerely hope one day you’re able to recognize that.
- Comment on Anon is worried about men 2 weeks ago:
This is an easily accessible statistic. If you want to discuss what it means that a third of Americans didn’t vote, or issues with intersectionality, I’m happy to do so, but the statistic comes directly from pew: pewresearch.org/…/61-of-u-s-women-say-feminist-de…
I understand what you’re getting at, but it’s not super relevant to the conversation at hand. Some women voted Trump. Women as a whole did not. If we’re using voting Trump as a proxy for feminism/supporting men and womens liberation then the commenter would have to at least concede that women are more likely to support men’s liberation than men are. Also, if this is to be a discussion of white women as it relates to respecting men, if men believe that nonwhite women are most likely to respect then then I’d love to see more men embracing their representation and elevating nonwhite women. I don’t really see that. So it then goes back to why are men not supporting men? Why are men not elevating people that support men?
- Comment on Anon is worried about men 2 weeks ago:
Low income women are also less likely to marry. That doesn’t mean that men are viewed as wallets. It certainly doesn’t indicate an increase in men being viewed as wallets. Income correlates with a lot of things such as health and education level.
This doesn’t back your initial claim that people overall do not care about men.
The reason I bring up your interactions with women in crypto spaces is because I find crypto spaces to be overly focused on wealth. It’s possible those interactions are coloring your perspective. If you disagree then I’m not sure why you’re not interacting with more women in that space irl. It’s possible there’s an issue with building community that isn’t local and therefore your irl options don’t share your interests/values. Not specifically you related, just in general as things get more online.
- Comment on Anon is worried about men 2 weeks ago:
I would not suggest that purported ideology is a perfect proxy for behavior, but it is a statistic I can cite. I did not see you cite any statistics. I brought up personal experience, as did you, and they are obviously different, but that doesn’t make one inherently more valid.
Sure, there is a reason why marriage rates have dropped, but if you’re claiming it’s because women view men as wallets and sentries and sex toys, then I’m not sure you understand the historical context of marriage. Money and protection and socially acceptable intimacy were the driving forces behind marriage since women couldn’t have jobs or bank accounts, nor were they allowed any physical intimacy outside of wedlock. So it seems weird that now in a more free society you come to the conclusion that the decrease in marriage is due to that, considering if anything it’s been more true historically than currently.
Are you’re purposely ignoring women in the crypto space?
- Comment on Anon is worried about men 2 weeks ago:
I’d love to see what you’re basing that conclusion on. Most American women identify as feminist, which aims to liberate men as it does women from deeply entrenched gender norms. Less men identify as feminist, and one could argue some of that loss is because some men don’t value the liberation of women while still valuing the liberation of men. Admittedly, not all feminists are working towards liberation equally, but at its core it’s about self determination for everyone regardless of sex or gender. Most marriages in my social circle have the woman earning more than the man, and the men are not operating as “sentries” or “sex toys” in these relationships. Most do not need a male protector at this point and can certainly get sexual gratification solo or elsewhere if something happened. If you’re not American I can’t really speak about your country, and even in America lived experience can differ, but it seems reductionist to say nobody cares about men.
It seems like you have an interest in crypto, which is fine, but that community seems to self select for a certain type of person. It’s possible you’re just not in spaces where the majority of people behave the way the general population does.
- Comment on ‘Snow White’, Poisoned By Controversy At Box Office, Won’t Have A Happy Ending With $115M Loss: What Went Wrong 2 weeks ago:
Thank you for the suggestions. I’ve already seen arcane, and apparently scavenger’s rain is already on my list, though I don’t remember adding it. Just added nimona though. Arcane definitely fits the bill, so I imagine the others will as well. It really is a great example of how the medium affects the message.
- Comment on ‘Snow White’, Poisoned By Controversy At Box Office, Won’t Have A Happy Ending With $115M Loss: What Went Wrong 2 weeks ago:
Couldn’t agree more. If I wanted to watch someone pretend to have magical powers and interact with nonexistent set pieces, I’d assemble my game group. There’s so much that you can do with animation that just cannot be done live action. I miss when animated movies had distinct styles that contributed to the atmosphere the fiction was building. Live action is comparatively empty of expression.
- Comment on Millie Bobby Brown, the Netflix algorithm queen who lives on a farm far with more than 45 animals 2 weeks ago:
I don’t know her personal struggles, but I think part of growing up is feeling like that. That’s why so much of the music kids listen to has that theme regardless of genre. Pop, punk, country, metal, rap - it’s all “no one understands me”. Then I think you meet other likeminded people and you grow out of it as you realize the whole world is filled with individuals and they all have their own stuff going on. You’re not a special snowflake when you realize everyone is, and then you kinda become an adult who lives in society.
- Comment on ‘Adolescence’ Sets Netflix Record With 66.3 Million Views, Best Ever Two-Week Total for a Limited Series 3 weeks ago:
Totally agree. They made it sound like it was bringing an important topic into the national conversation and that’s the only reason I watched it. I’m very familiar with incel culture and I wanted to know how it dealt with those issues, and honestly, it didn’t. It was barely about the main character, much less a character study of a radicalized young boy. 2/4 episodes don’t even include him. I don’t know why people would watch it, honestly.
- Comment on Democratic Senators Team Up With MAGA To Hand Trump A Censorship Machine 3 weeks ago:
It’s somehow worse than the title suggests. People should read the article. I am getting sick of saying that, but each awful thing being done recently has so many implications that just can’t fit in a title.
- Comment on frenly warnin 4 weeks ago:
So you just responded for fun? You thought they were 100% accurate and you posted screenshots just to agree with them?
I did not assume everyone notices or remembers everything and even if I did how would that even relate to arrogance? I said it’s ok to be mistaken. You seem to be unable to process that. Really, good luck, because it seems like you’re going to continue to have a rough go of it.
- Comment on You're* 4 weeks ago:
Not that you asked for advice, but if you ever find yourself in a similar situation, I’d try role playing a scenario before ever actually doing it. Like she pretends she doesn’t want to, even though she does, and she gets to experience you saying bossy/dismissive things while she’s actively consenting. Consensual non-consent is a real thing, but people on both ends need to have a pretty good grasp of the situation. Plenty of people realize they’re not actually into a kink they thought they had once it becomes even just pretend real. The role playing phase (or ramp up phase depending on the kink) is sometimes helpful to people new to kink. Although it’s not the same as engaging in the kink, I’d recommend it as a first step almost universally.
The fact she was anti safe word is obviously a red flag, and I wouldn’t do anything with someone uninterested in safe words.
- Comment on frenly warnin 4 weeks ago:
But that’s not what it looks like to you. It’s what you remembered it looking like. If it looked like that to you, you’d have a completely different experience of discord than anyone else. I didn’t downvote or anything, but you basically said “you’re wrong”, but they were correct.
Your comment could potentially have mislead others. People downvoted so it was less likely to be seen. When you noticed the downvotes, you acted like you were getting downvoted for admitting to an oversight. Even now you’re acting like you were just trying to “learn something” and pretending like you were never actually suggesting they were incorrect. It’s ok to just say you were mistaken. You weren’t downvoted for saying you were mistaken, you were downvoted for being wrong and potentially downvoted more for then complaining about downvotes.
- Comment on The gentrified forest near me removed the bins. .. From their café/picnic area 4 weeks ago:
Walt Disney was a capitalist charging admission to a controlled capitalist environment. This is public land that we all collectively own and should care for. Trash bins add to overhead and are bad for surrounding wildlife. We can all just do our part. We owe Disney nothing. We owe the land and our society everything. Big difference.
- Comment on The gentrified forest near me removed the bins. .. From their café/picnic area 4 weeks ago:
Dont know what you mean by performative capitalism, but carry in carry out is pretty standard fare environmentalism. Though these people are not carrying in, they are making the decision to buy onsite and should then accept carry out responsibilities.
- Comment on The gentrified forest near me removed the bins. .. From their café/picnic area 4 weeks ago:
Different experiences then, because most people I’ve spoken to about it there and back home have talked about how clean it was despite that and commended the society for being so responsible with their waste.
- Comment on The gentrified forest near me removed the bins. .. From their café/picnic area 4 weeks ago:
Lots of corner stores and vending machines in Japan that sell basically full meals and no trash can in sight.
I don’t think people realize that custodial staff are different than general park staff. If they have bins then they need to deal with that whole process and have at least one dedicated employee. I’d rather have to carry my trash and let the park use that money elsewhere.
For what it’s worth, I do agree it’s probably “gentrification” in the sense that the concept of carry in/carry out is more prevalent in middle class communities, mostly because they are more likely to engage in hobbies where or go to places where it’s a more prevalent part of the culture. I’m not sure non-middle class people have the same experiences/lifestyle that lead to thinking this makes sense to do.