I mean: being vegan in anything but cheese is also already something.
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ComfortableRaspberry@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Just skipping a meal with meat where you would usually have one is already a big step for the individual.
ComradePenguin@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Something is better than nothing. “I could never be a vegetarian/vegan because of bacon” “Ok, then eat vegetarian AND also eat bacon then?”
Little1Lost@gehirneimer.de 2 weeks ago
flexitarian is the way to go first: my understanding is thats its more controlled, not everyday (maybe even only to special occations) eating of meat
mult@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
my understanding is thats its more controlled, not everyday (maybe even only to special occations) eating of meat
IS IT???
I thought flexitarian was someone who can perform very flexible oral sex. 🤯
kuiskaaja@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
just because you don’t always eat meat, doesn’t mean you need to pick a label for it
flexitarian is a ridiculous term, essentially everyone eats vegetarian or vegan foods sometimes
beejboytyson@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Right? Anything is better then nothing
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Especially funny because while there are other things vegetarians will eat that vegans won’t (Other dairy, eggs), cheese is actually physically addictive because the same protein that makes it curdle breaks down through digestion into a substance that acts like dopamine. It really is the “one ring” of veganism and often the last / hardest thing to give up when one goes vegan.
bl4ckp1xx13@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
wait so when i go to the fridge at 3am for cheese im basically literally eating happiness?
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
You’re taking a hit!
AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Literally a mild opiate. The hypothesis is that it’s an evolutionary adaptation to ensure babies will reliably crave their mother’s milk.
fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Dairy and eggz are also fucking everywhere. Half Pringles flavours have dairy for instance. Fucking bbq sauce Pringles have milk powder when actual bbq sauce doesn’t.
Cakes? Eggs. Probably cream too. Chocolate? Milk. Dark chocolate? Fuck you, milk.
Half the sauces are either egg or milk based too, even though you could use soy milk and margarine to do bechamel and yeah it tastes different but it’s fucking delicious anyway. Then add some fake mozzarella into it to do a bootleg vegan Mornay sauce that is delicious.
Anyway, it’s easy to be vegan at home, but going out or ordering? It’s cheese or dairy everywhere. I do my best effort and I’m happy with it.
MattW03@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
(GASGÛL) They were once men; healthy men. Then Tongue the Deceiver gave to them nine rounds of Cheese. Blinded by their hunger, they took them without question, one by one falling into gassness. Now they are slaves to his will. They are the Gasgûl: Ringwraiths, neither living nor dead. At all times they feel the presence of the Cheese, drawn to the power of the lactose. They will never stop farting.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
One Whey to rule them all, One Curd to find them, One Stink to bring them all, and in Aroma blind them
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Listen, I’m going to cast it into the fire, sure.
But then it’s going to get all goopy and crispy and I’m going to pull it back out again to eat it.
JelleWho@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Fun fact, cheese is not always vegetarian. It can (quite often) contain animal rennet (from the inside of a young cow stomage, the cow needs to die for this)
ThunderComplex@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Unless, of course, we’re talking about the German Leberkäse (liver cheese), which, naturally, isn’t cheese and doesn’t contain liver.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
i think most of the industry uses synthetic remnet.
JelleWho@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
As a person who check all cheese in the supermarket for this. The current state (EU/NL) is almost 60%, 60% of the cheese in our supermarket is without murdering baby cows. Which I up from last year, and it has been trending up for a while.
I have no clue how other countries are doing, my guess us worse. Some france people still label ‘Fish’ as ‘Vegan’
parlaptie@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
That would be huge news if true but it doesn’t sound like you have a source
Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I think many French protected cheeses are not allowed to, but I’m not sure about that
ulterno@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Usage of animal rennet requires disclosure on the packaging, in my country, thanks to a majority of religions being against meat and stuff.
sanzky@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I would really like to be the case more often. I’m a cheese eating vegetarian and I have to look on the ingredients every time I buy cheese. Some brands will even switch from animal to microbial rennet and viceversa within the same product without warning.
yermaw@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
What fresh hell is this?
AeonFelis@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Cast it into the fire! Grill it!
capt_wolf@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Great, now I want halloumi…
Stolas@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I’ve never tried to convince anyone to take up veganism.
TipRing@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Rennet makes this a much more complicated decision for vegetarians. Like, if I know that the cheese was made with bacteria-derived enzymes, then that’s cool, but it’s really hard to know and trusting random cheese is just like still eating beef sometimes, so even though I’m vegetarian and I end up being so picky about cheese that I hardly eat it anyway.
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Spoiler: milk cows get murdered as well. A milk cow is productive for about 5 years, after which they usually get slaughtered for pet food. In that time, they need to have about 3 calves, to continue producing “good returns” amount of milk daily. Two of those calves are not needed to replace the cow, so they get - guess what? - slaughtered and processed to pet food.
Stupid me grew up next to a milk farm and didn’t realize that until way later than I care to admit.
Also, I still eat cheese (reduced amounts) and that’s a moral dilemma for me.
kolmaskommentoija@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
That ethical problem could be solved (well, not if you are “fully” vegan, and view even keeping pets and livestock, unacceptable), by doing good small-scale production. Factory farming producing the inhuman conditions, is needed to make the operations economically sustainable, in the way it is build into capitalist systems. But if you would keep the cows well, milk products could be made quite ethically… Now of course the costs needed to do that would make milk extremely expensive, and small-scale could not replace the massive demand, so people would have to consume way less anyway.
TipRing@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I am aware and I do make every effort to reduce and remove dairy (and eggs) from my diet, but I recognize that I fall short of what I would consider vegan. Like if I’m at a party and am offered cake I’m probably going to eat it even though there’s probably egg in it, but I’m not going to order an egg-based dish, same with dairy if we’re having pizza or something. As I get older I’m increasingly lactose intolerant anyway, so I have additional incentive to avoid it.
RobotToaster@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
I had to look up what that is.
If it’s any help, according to wiki 90% of cheese is made with artificial enzymes, because it’s cheaper.
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It depends a bit om where you are and what kind of cheese. For instance in the EU, Parmigiano Reggiano always has calf rennet, otherwise it’s not allowed to have that name. Nowadays a lot of cheeses in the Netherlands do specify it on the ingredients list though.
onion_trial@europe.pub 2 weeks ago
I feel like this creates some sort of hostility between two groups which usually head into the same direction and respect each other
remon@ani.social 2 weeks ago
DmMacniel@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
You vegans sure a contentious people.
pega_sus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Then there’s me, a pesce-pollotarian. Because not everywhere has fish.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
As with politics, purity culture leads to being ineffective.
Coalitions are important if you want to get anything done.
Aedaz_@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I feel like it’s just a silly joke.
yermaw@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
No unity. No strength. No true scotsman.
Fight, fuckos, Fight!
grrgyle@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
I actually went about it the other way. After seeing how bad dairy cows have it in the daily (I have in-laws who are dairy farmers) compared to cows raised for their flesh, I tried giving up just cheese, because it’s the one thing I told myself I could never do. I remember specifically saying to a lactose intolerant person that I would kill myself if I couldn’t eat cheese lol.
I can’t imagine eating cheese now, just the smell grossed me out. Like I was cleaning a plastic case that held cheddar (my partner’s) and I swear I couldn’t get the stink out of my fingers for hours. Even cow milk which I used to think was neural and creamy smells and tastes funky and cheesy.
Anyway, that’s all to illustrates how malleable tastes are. I think it must have been so hard to quit, because I remember what I said and did, but not how I felt. It’s like the urge just faded away. Like it was a temptation one moment, and then the next I forgot what I ever liked about it.
Anyway from there reducing and eliminating other products was easy, since I’d already fought the animal product boss battle.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Could always source ethical human milk…and other cheeses.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
My Hu-cow sub consents.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
ethical human milk
Imagining this overlayed on a man with a big smile on his face.
AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Dairy is the most challenging thing to give up. There are good alternatives - particularly when they’re made of nuts and seeds that have been fermented traditionally - but they’re good in their own way, don’t expect them to be the same.
The stuff made out of almost pure coconut oil is universally disappointing, and coconut is arguably not vegan given the environmental footprint and resulting animal endangerment.
VitoRobles@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
From my experience, there is no good Vegan cheese. Daiyo cheese is awful.
AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
I mean, Daiyo is an example of the artificial-basically-mostly-coconut-oil cheeze I mentioned previously. Most stuff that you can find in the average grocery store is going to suck. Have you tried anything along the lines of, say, this almost award-winning plant-based cheese? Stuff like that is way better, but again, unique. Don’t expect it to be the same, although things may be changing soon since people have figured out how to get one of the key dairy proteins from non-animal sources.
There’s also homemade stuff, which varies. It’s pretty easy to make super creamy mac and cheese with plant-based sources only, for instance.
CrimeIsLegalNow@ani.social 2 weeks ago
I’ve had some good vegan cheese, and I’ve had bad real cheese, but only one of them cost 3.50 for a pound
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I cut way back on cheese because of the salt, also it’s expensive and high in calories. I could easily go through a large block (or even two--8000 calories!) of sharp cheddar in a week, and that was too much.
This is why I gave up red meat, and processed meat:
…clevelandclinic.org/is-red-meat-bad-for-you
Here’s something you may not realize: The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) classifies red meat as a Group 2A carcinogen, which is described as “probably carcinogenic to humans.” Carcinogens are substances with cancer-causing potential.
A review of studies on the relationship between red meat and cancer found that eating high levels of red meat is associated with a higher risk of:
Breast cancer
Colorectal cancer
Uterine cancer
Hepatocellular carcinoma
Lung cancerThat’s not all: Processed meats are categorized as level 1 carcinogens. This puts them in the same category as cigarettes and asbestos and means they’re known to increase your risk of cancer.
CADmonkey@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I like eggs. And baking.
My eggs are sourced from a dozen of the most spoiled hens I’ve ever seen. They have a half acre of bugs, grass, and weeds to run around in. They are more pets than livestock.
Garbagio@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I mean the critique of cheese (honey and eggs, too) is that they, like all foods, are statistically near always sourced from factory farming methods that are harmful to all involved. The only difference is that wheat isn’t sentient enough for ethical consideration. I’m glad your chickens are treated well. I’m glad you ethically source your eggs. Being “one of the good ones” isn’t a defense though; we still need to end factory farming as it exists today.
CADmonkey@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Im doing what I can to avoid factory farmed food, because for all the talk of ending factory farming I have yet to see any progress outside of angry internet comments. Im going for harm reduction in my own life.
arctanthrope@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It was hot when I first bit it, hot as a glede, and my mouth was scorched, so that I doubt if ever again I shall be free of the pain of it. Yet even as I write it is cooled, and it seemeth to shrink, though it loseth neither its beauty nor its shape… But for my part I will risk no hurt to this thing: of all the works of ranching the only fair. It is precious to me, though I buy it with great pain.
Metostopholes@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
If I had a nickel for every LotR Vegan/Vegetarian meme I’ve seen I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice.
Transcipt
Uruk-Hai Orc labelled “vegans”, holding chickens: “They are not for eating!” Mordor Orc labelled “vegetarians”: “What about their eggs? They don’t need those!”
Agent641@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I must be genetically predisposed to veganism because I genuinely don’t like cheese or bacon very much.
Still really like lamb and chicken though, so 🤷
Arachnidbrilliant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
When I first saw this meme, I was a vegan… Now I’m a vegetarian
joyjoy@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
POV: you’re lactose intolerant
myyass@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Could be worse, I can’t eat lentils or wheat. I mean I can eat wheat but I don’t like to clean my toilet everyday. And lentils make me throw up.
beejboytyson@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If you’re a vegan do this and partake in society, you are brain rotted.
FatVegan@leminal.space 2 weeks ago
That’s almost a real sentence
grrgyle@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Can you translate?
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 week ago
Truly
csolisr@hub.azkware.net 1 week ago
Same goes for Jainists asking vegans to forego tubers and spicesObnomus@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Whats the difference between vegans and vegetarians?
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Dairy and eggs. Aka animal products that don’t involve flesh.
…unless you’re Catholic in which case you make up bullshit to spread your religion and call beavers and fish vegetarian for…reasons.
Monstrosity@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
I know you don’t care but the fish thing has to do w symbolism not ethical constraint. Just fyi
terranoid@lemmy.cafe 2 weeks ago
There are better fake cheeses these days. It’s easier to give it up than it ever was. And tons of pizzerias now offer vegan cheese pizzas.
But honestly giving up beef alone should be commended, just for environmental/climate reasons.
hOrni@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I haven’t seen fake cheese that tastes good yet. A good tip is not to try to make vegan food taste like non vegan. Just enjoy the vegan foods as they are.
PS I’m trying the whole “give up beef” thing plus “be vegan one day of the week”.
stoy@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
As a non vegan/vegetarian, I agree fully. By trying to replicate something else, the result often appears like a worse alternative.
I enjoy plenty of vegetarian and vegan foods, but don’t try and tell me that a plant based burger tastes the same as a normal burger, that just ruins the experience.
Play to your own strengths and don’t pretend to be something you are not, by doing that you reduce the stigma of vegan and vegetarian labels becoming associated with lower quality.
The concept of being vegetarian one day a week sounds like a brilliant idea, not sure that I would go the entire way to vegan across a full day, but a few vegan meals in a week wouldn’t be so hard.
rayf@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Exactly. I really dislike the taste of beef patty. But i tried a patty looking vegan product. It gave me the same bad taste.
lookingforanALFpolycule@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yes, but the post is about veganism, which is the ethical principle that it’s wrong to exploit animals. Cows enslaved for milk are in most cases worse off than those enslaved for their flesh as they are repeatedly impregnated, have their children killed, and are still slaughtered at a fraction of their lifespan just like the flesh cows.
arrow74@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
There are certainly some vegans that do it for environmental reasons. Usually a bit of both though, but not all.
hans@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
most dairy calves are brought to full weight before slaughter, and the life span of a dairy cow is about 5 years.
ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I’ve never cut beef out entirely but it is surprisingly easy to dramatically reduce how much one uses. Nearly everything that’s good with beef is also good with other meats. I also found doing meatless Mondays to be a great way to experiment with vegetarian/vegan dishes without feeling like I was missing out on anything and then I could take that knowledge into other days
I think a big problem is a lot of people are not confident in their ability to cook. They maybe know how to make a couple of their favorite childhood dishes and a couple things they picked up along the way, maybe. It’s hard to replace a burger with a portabello if you don’t know how to critically approach cooking temps and times so it ends up awful, or trying to cook a passable ratatouille and not knowing how to use a knife or having any spices in the cupboard
JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
Also, here in Belgium, vegan Gouda is literally cheaper per kilo than actual, cheap Gouda.
StaticFalconar@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
So I dont have to be a level 8 vegan to not be a POS?
protist@retrofed.com 2 weeks ago
Despite what a vocal minority on here would have you feel, no, you do not. Every small, positive change should be celebrated
TheMinions@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
My child has dairy allergies.
The fake cheeses are just okay at best.
fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I quite enjoy VioLife’s cheeses. They are mostly based on coconut oil so they have a similar flavour, but it’s delicious and it melts well.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
The “spreads” are good, maybe the fake feta, but generally agree that dsiya is basically only good if you’re early days and struggling, or if your friends insist on making a regular pizza and don’t know how to make that interesting without cheese so here’s some daiya idk, I guess it’s edible.
Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Daiya smells like dirty socks, especially when heated
My wife is allergic to dairy and it throws me off every time
imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
We got a vegan Margherita for us 3hrn my vegan friend was visiting. Couldn’t notice a difference to a normal cheese pizza.