Submitted 2 weeks ago by chad@sh.itjust.works to games@lemmy.world
The Nintendo discourse cycle:
I prefer their remakes, not gonna lie. Improvements to gameplay QoL here and there, good looking graphics, better frame rates(!).
And I grew up with on NES and N64. I know what it was like. The slow frame rate is a big source of frustration for me, personally. But upgraded visuals are a big plus to me also.
I think most people would agree with you, the remakes have QoL improvements that basically make them the best version.
Sure some people will always be nostalgic for the originals, but as remakes continue what is the original?
Let’s look at Link’s Awakening. If you played it on the Game Boy, it’s a great game. But if you played it on the Game Boy Color it had the camera side quest and color dungeon, those were excellent. But if you played it on the Switch the camera side quest is now Dampe’s Dungeon Creator.
I personally liked the camera side quest, but Dampe’s Dungeon Creator was an interesting addition and I think it was cool to see.
At this point we already have the ridiculously extensible PC ports. There’s no shot that there won’t be mods to bring over whatever QoL this remake adds (assuming it’s anything not already in the port) within weeks of release. I’ll give it maybe a year or two for homebrew graphics mods to catch up or for someone to extract the new assets into a mod.
And there’s no debate regarding the 3DS remaster anymore. You can just shove its graphics into the port if you prefer them and flip a few settings to toggle the changed behavior.
Plus everyone knows the best way to play is with the Beatles in OOT mods (seriously go search up the stupid fucking fever dream that is the remixed OST).
Nintendo finally hired that guy!
Jokes aside, looks pretty good. The faces are throwing me off a lot though. They’re so… weird. I was expecting something closer to breath of the wild than the semi-realistic style. I hope they adjust kid link, at least.
I thought the faces looked good, except young Zelda looked a little weird to me.
Looking closer I think all the child characters look really uncanny. They’re all so stubby with huge eyes and it’s just weird. Adult link and Ganon look great though.
I’ve been seeing ‘that guy’ being thrown around, what is it a reference to?
Whenever someone tries to remake a Nintendo game in a realistic art style people would sarcastically say “Nintendo, hire this man!!!”
Probably CryzenX, who has been remaking OoT in Unreal Engine for a while now. Seems Nintendo didn’t bother to try making theirs look any better than CryzenX’s attempt, sadly.
The water on people makes them look a bit too shiny. I hope they adjust it before release. Otherwise I think they mostly look pretty good.
What guy?
The answer was right here over an hour before you replied…
I kinda like child link. He looks so angry and unfazed all the time. A little smile when he picks up some rupees would have been nice but I like it. Zelda on the other hand is freaking me out a little. I think they’re trying to make the characters look like the game art from the original. Like, western oil painting touch with big googly anime eyes.
If I can still parry Ganon with a bottle, I’ll be content.
A Nintendo game and a remake, Lemmy should love this! /s
the amount of overly detailed shitting on it is something else.
it will sell 20 million+
wah wah people don’t like things that i like, how dare they upset me with contrary opinions wah wah wah.
You forget to add “zionists”
I won’t be buying it cause I don’t have a switch 2, but emulation shouldn’t too far away.
So far it looks like the reception isn’t too bad here actually
Sheik has a long braid? Are they just giving up on the disguise thing?
Wow I really got gaslit by Hyrule Warriors and Smash Bros Sheik, because I thought the braid was always there lol.
“This will be graphics in 2013.”
Nintendo really is stuck in 2013, huh? Wonder when they’ll get to the UE5 Slop trend… 2040s maybe?
I can’t remember which game it was now, but I’ve definitely played some indie game that has fake load screens because I remember someone modded them out and asked the dev why they existed, and the response was that the dev found the instant transition between scenes jarring. It’s not crazy to think Big N would do the same thing.
Transitions and a minor less-than-a-second pause are one thing. That’s not what I am talking about.
The triforce animation instantly tells me that’s a 4+ second loading screen. Nobody puts those in for stylistic choice. Even Resident Evil 1 style door transition screens are significantly faster than in the original RE when they show up in modern indie games. RE1 had them because of a hardware limitation, and the creatives decided to hide them with the door animation. Modern developers aren’t usually so creative and they just shove a tiny animated sprite in the bottom corner, as seen here with the animated triforce.
Nostalgia is a hell of a drug
No dawg, you did that because the hardware required a load screen there.
Have you heard of Breath of the Wild? The hardware does not require a loading screen there. There is a load screen because they separated the maps, so they do have to load the new assets between each screen transition, but splitting the map is the choice they made. They didn’t have to split the map, they could have made one big open world-style map (except for the dungeons) and they chose not to, that’s what they’re talking about.
This is officially the first Switch 2 release I am sad because I don’t have a Switch 2 and won’t be able to anytime soon… at least this fall is stacked with a ton of other great releases. Hopefully next year ill be able to get one.
My hope hope hope is that someone much smarter than me figures out how to illegally get it onto a steam deck. That way I’ll be able to play as well. I have no plans to buy a switch unfortunately but really want to play this remake.
From what I’ve read it’ll be a good while before there are any real Switch 2 emulators.
Looks dumb.
The voice acting makes me envy the deaf.
It’s definitely a job program at this point. I hope they get better actors and have an option to entirely turn it off.
But the choice to allow that level of voice acting does not bode well. It adds up to a pretty consistent “oh that’s gonna be bad” impression for me.
let me guess… this will cost just as much as a new, original, top tier title made this year
wrong. It will cost more because of the Nostalgia surcharge
That’s cute that you think any new original top tier titles are coming out this year.
It’s remakes and sequel slop all the way down for the major publishers
Luckily there are exactly 3 games coming out this year to be excited for, so it’s fine anyway.
Uncanny valley where nobody wants this visual style, but it’s a box check to sell more copies… aka, soulless, greedy slop.
It looks like it’s gonna be bad.
If it’s unlikely to be better than the original, the only reason for it to exist is to make money.
Also what in garbage name is that awful voice acting? If there’s better voice acting in WWF, your voice acting sucks piss.
I just want the people making games to care about us again and stop making things that are clearly, so blatantly, insultingly soulless garbage just to extract money from us and play on the weak minded who are slaves to their nostalgia and have no self control.
Hard pass.
I like that you can control the camera with the right stick. But that’s about it.
Fortunately Ship of Harkinian has that and more.
i do kinda like it
I don’t like realistic looking Zelda games. There’s enough call of duties on the market already
Looks awesome! Can’t wait to relive my childhood. I love Ocarina of Time so much, but it hasn’t aged well like pretty much every N64 game. Really looking forward to playing it again with modern quality of life.
I don’t see that at all, they’ve aged great IMO. And that seems to be the opinion of most people as they’re still loved and played so much.
I grew up in the 90s and absolute adored my N64. OoT was my jam. Still my favourite Zelda game, though some others have come close.
Saying any N64 game except maybe Super Mario 64 has aged “great” is… a take, certainly. There’s some very strongly rose-tinted nostalgia glasses on a lot of people, I think. And I’m not even just talking about the graphics. The polygons of the N64 era will always have a certain charm, for me. But my gods, but controls and the QoL features in general were not quite there yet in that era.
Goldeneye is another game that I think people mostly remember so fondly because of how they felt when they played it back then. Try playing it again today, after experiencing modern FPS QoL improvements, and uh… it’s not great.
Revolutionary, cutting-edge games for their time, but they have not aged well imho.
Since UE5 all new major games look exactly the same. Well, at least I will be saving lots of money.
I mean you’re certainly entitled to not like the art style or buy the game…but this isn’t using UE5 nor does it look like a UE5 game in my opinion.
I know it’s not UE 5, but it sure looks similar to me. Everything looks plasticky and uncanny.
I know this game inside and out so I’m afraid I won’t really enjoy it. Looks a little weird.
I still get sad about Saria. She’s the best character in the game.
Why sad? Did I miss out on smth?
Oh well. Haven’t you played OoT? It is indeed sad. I don’t want to Go into details if you have Not played it yet.
I believe the physical release is an actual physical release and not a game key card.
So far all first party Nintendo games have had a physical release and not a game key card, I would bet you’re correct.
So it appears to be a 1:1 straight remake, but with modern graphics, better sound and probably some improvements to the UI.
I’ll be honest though; I preferred how all the characters looked in the 3DS remaster. Oh well; I don’t have a Switch 2 anyway, so it’s not like I was gonna get this either way.
They mention that you can run around some of the areas that were previously just backgrounds in the original, so I suspect there will be some new content there at least. And a some cool new UI elements and ocarina accessibility stuff has been added if you’re into that. Time will tell how similar it will be to the original, but either way, I’m feeling pretty excited for it!
That was Castle Town, there’s also the Temple of Time entrance, there’s not that many maps where the OG just had a literal JPG flat background. And we saw Castle Town in the demo, it’s still a 1:1 map with the exact same fountain square, the same people, the same shops, and the same back alley, not a single change. Everything they showed had the exact same flat ground, flat walls, square rooms - only the Gerudo Hideout has ONE extra pillar stump that appears to go up to the cell you escape out of with the hookshot. Only Hyrule Field seems to have more variety and UE5 look in the hills and river banks and apparently a spot where the river kind of becomes a mini swamp area with Tektites (not sure which map that shot was in the trailer, could be the drained Lake Hylia)
It’s looking like the maps will be 1:1 down to the pixel, only filled up with space in the area past Castle Town walking up the guard trail to the castle. Except Kakariko where they apparently flipped the Skulltula house and the construction spot with the cuccoo coop in the back, for some weird reason?
Not enough polygons.
Release date is Nov 5 2026.
Are you sure? It said 11.5.2026. That’s 11th of july.
I’m still not sure if I want to get a Switch 2 over this as much as I love OoT (and the Zelda version of the Switch looks really nice). But the Link and Zelda amiibo statues are so cute, I might grab those just to put on my shelf.
Looks like it’s going to be very close to the original, at least judging by the scenes they chose for the trailer. The camera and scenarios look 1:1 identical to OOT. I like that!
Hope they introduce some bonus content or an Easter egg, but I do think that being faithful to the original is a the right choice.
oh great… another remake…
ANOTHER ONE!!!
Well, this looks like great fun with the kids. Hope we get a PC version:)
I feel like the game’s fog is way too overdone.
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
For anyone lamenting they don’t have a Switch 2, or looking for OoT with QoL improvements for cheaper than whatever Nintendo’s asking price is, there is a free PC port of OoT that will run as fast as your hardware can handle it without messing up gameplay speed etc, has a ton of switchable QoL features, and has mod support for using 3DS (and better) graphics/models. You can even use Master Quest’s edited dungeons with all the benefits of the 3DS version.
It’s called Ship of Harkinian. All you have to do is provide a copy of the game ROM.
vane@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Thank you for entertainment.
Ocarina of Time
Master Quest
github.com/HarbourMasters/Shipwright/releases
Majora’s Mask
github.com/HarbourMasters/…/releases
and official guide how to setup ( It is automatically extracting n64 roms )
www.shipofharkinian.com/setup-guide/dump-guide
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Never played the orig (never had a console after the Atari 2600), but as much as I’ve hears of the zelda-games, it’s probably worth a shot?
A pirated ROM will probably do fine too? Before even thinking of giving nintendo a single Buck
queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I think so, I think Ocarina of Time earns its high esteem, and Ship of Harkinian irons out a lot of the QoL issues that make the original annoying, like being able to toggle boots without going into the menu.
After you finish OoT I’d recommend running Majora’s Mask via 2 Ship 2 Harkinian as well. It’s less popular than OoT but every bit as good, I think. I can’t pick just one, but if I had to pick a “#1 favorite video game of all time”, Majora’s Mask would be a finalist. It’s really good.
saimen@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Haven’t played it as well, but according to metacritic it’s the best game ever:
www.metacritic.com/browse/game/
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Okay so. A primer on the Zelda franchise:
Nintendo dislikes video games with stories, and they nakedly hate video game franchises with overall lore. Nintendo wants to make video games that are mechanically fun, “it’s fun to jump on the thing.” “It’s fun to swing a sword ad the thing.” “It’s fun to throw a ball at the thing.” Look no farther than their primary flagship franchise, the Mario series, for games with an excuse plot and highly polished primary gameplay loops. You can tell they truly, madly, deeply resent their secondary flagship franchise, the Zelda series, for being a more narrative driven adventure saga that attracts gamers who like deep overall lore.
Ocarina of Time is the most important game in the Zelda series’ deep overall lore.
defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Other people already answered your question, so gotta ask. What’s your favorite 2600 game? I gotta go with Missile Command if I had to pick.
ChocolateFrostedSugarBombs@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I play SoH all the time! It’s awesome! But how do you get the master quest stuff in it? SoH doesn’t accept the master quest ROM.
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Last I checked you can import it when you first run it, or from an option menu somewhere, and it adds it to the options you have when starting a new save. I just followed instructions from the GitHub.
k0e3@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Thanks! I might play this until November.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Another option is the Ocarina of Time 3D single screen hack for 3DS. Less messing around required.