So much for the constitution
Even more pointless than DRM on movies.
California just passed a law forcing mandatory DRM in 3D printers
Submitted 2 weeks ago by possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip to mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world
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DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
pivot_root@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Don’t worry. It won’t be long before possession of an unregistered 3D printer becomes a crime, too.
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I thought this bill did that, but it looks like they crossed out the consumer circumvention clauses.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That seems like a nightmare to set up
ricecake@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
It more like mocking car registration because every neighborhood has a few people who can build you a car from scratch in a day, the city already has several thousand car factories that don’t require registration, there’s no mechanism to enforce registration, and the cost of building a new car is a few hundred dollars. The motivation for requiring registration is also to stop people from driving full speed into fast food restaurants is custom built murder buggys. Yeah, you don’t want people to do that but it’s not like it really happens all that often.
Building a 3d printer from a kit is different from building one from scratch. It’s basically screwing parts together and plugging colored wires into matching slots.
saltesc@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Same. Unfortunately I wasn’t born blessed with those levels of autism. I see a complex project that’d be awesome for my hobby and I change hobbies.
stankmut@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You’d think with a title that says “California just passed a law”, that it would actually be about California passing a law. It still has to go through the senate and then get signed by the governor.
Godort@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
How would this even be enforced?
Like, it seems like it would be a trivial process to just install a firmware package without the blocks.
sharkteethsandwich@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
It’s probably just an extra charge they can throw at you if your house ever gets searched. Fuck hobby enthusiasts I guess
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
And small businesses.
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Not true (yet). Could be later, but for now, there’s no crime for circumvention.
False@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Digital signatures and closed firmware.
Bahnd@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
From Lewis Rossmans bit on this from this morning, an internet connection and third party AI scanning tools.
So its a whole bucket of “fuck that noise”.
grue@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It can’t. They want to destroy 3D printers entirely.
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
it’s enforced by stopping most people from trying to get into making 3d printer software. Imagine if california made browser drm required: no more open source browsers
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Don’t give them ideas
papalonian@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Imagine if california made browser drm required: no more open source browsers
Why would that be the case? If I’m a programmer in New York, or Germany, why do I care if my open-source browser meets California’s requirements? If there’s any chance of litigation, can’t you just slap “not for use in California” on it and call it a day?
LilBobbyTables@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
I’d love to know how they expect printer manufacturers to do this, given all they do is read gcode. Do the legislation makers even know what a slicer is?
ramenshaman@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I went to a CA committee hearing (and I got to meet Louis Rossmann in the process) and I guarantee you the people supporting this bill and the committee voting on it generally have no idea what the fuck they’re talking about.
end_stage_ligma@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Serious question: why do they feel like they are qualified to make decisions on it then? Like if I was in that position, I would defer to an expert committee or professional association.
Whitebrow@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Of course they know what a slicer is. Most of these people existed long before pre-cut loaves were sold at the stores.
cley_faye@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If it ever take forms, it will be absolutely unenforceable with how many devices currently operates. Aside from a ban on open hardware (good luck with that), nothing will happen.
Unfortunately, being technically impossible to enforce is of little consequence. It just becomes a convenient law to pull out if they want to hammer you down and you happen to have a 3D printer that don’t have this built-in.
enix@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
Absolutely fuckin not
Snapz@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
OP why are you posting a 3 month old article with no updated information or that needed context that this was in the past? There was a discussion then.
It’s almost like you are trying to upset people again for sport, because reddit broke your brain and you think internet points are important. Almost like that.
VitoRobles@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
I think about this a lot.
Sometimes I learn about news that greatly affects my hobby but then notice it’s like a month old.
And I wonder - so I share it? Do I sit with it? Do others know about it?
Assuming positive intent, OP thought the former.
Varesti@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
First time I’ve seen this.
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
3 months isn’t 3 years. First I heard of this
DaddleDew@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They’ve just banned the sale of all 3D printers in California. Even if you lock down the firmware it’s impossible for an algorithm to tell what can be used as a gun part.
ilinamorato@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Any such algorithm would be patched out of a jailbroken version of the firmware in minutes. 3D printers are already running on FOSS, so this is worse than useless. Anyone who wants to print a working gun will be able to do so trivially.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
3D printers are already running on FOSS
That’s what the bill is designed to stop.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
There’s pedophiles roaming the streets and no one can afford healthcare or housing but yeah, lets make useless laws to try and regulate 3d printers…
barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Roaming the streets? They are sitting in the fucking white house.
WudgieLore@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Trump fucks kids. Never forget
GladiusB@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Two crimes can happen at once in different places
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
This isn’t going to do anything about crime.
takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Except nobody is being prosecuted for this, in fact the only person that sits in prison, got moved to minimum security one and a pardon is being considered for her.
Senate just appointed the very person directly responsible for it to head the Department of Justice.
We are literally being run by pedophiles, or pedophile protectors at best and it couldn’t be any clearer that there are two justice systems.
When the UH CEO was killed with 3D printed gun I remember being puzzled why trump, trump jr, musk and other members of the Epstein class became vocal about this, to me it seemed like a random murder. Now I understand that to them it was significant because member of their class was killed, this is also why musk was wearing his son as armor, because they were genuinely scared that their class war was firing back.
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
There’s pedophiles roaming the streets
That was oddly specific.
CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
I mean, it’s a little bit of a funny example when “but child porn” is an argument used a lot for this kind of thing.
Rolive@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Good luck with that… 3D printers are not complicated and you could build one yourself if you wanted to.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Have a friend with one print you one.
outerspace@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
The software might be complicated enought in the future that you would not be able to just make your own slicer with all the features, like we have with browsers now.
jonesey71@lemmus.org 2 weeks ago
One of the most common uses for 3d printers is for cosplay props. I wonder if the lawmakers considered how this infringes on the rights of people trying to print prop guns from their favorite video games or anime?
Brimstone@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
They don’t even know what cosplays is lol
jonesey71@lemmus.org 2 weeks ago
Yeah, sigh I know… It was facetious but an obvious argument I haven’t seen pushed where there is actually some money behind it.
otacon239@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They don’t care
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
they did not
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Well it’s not like anyone in California needs lots of props.
brax@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
California needs to start pushing laws to shut down hardware stores, department stores, shopping malls, and office supply stores since you can buy things in those places to also create makeshift weapons.
SippyCup@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I have a mini mill in my garage. I makeb ghost firearms as a hobby.
I have a bit of experience with a mill, but even if I *didn’t * these are not hard skills to learn yourself. A couple hundred bucks for a mini mill on marketplace and a few hunted bucks for a blank and some tooling and anybody could be making ghost guns in their living room.
zabadoh@ani.social 2 weeks ago
I had never heard of mini CNC mills.
Now I want one.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Isn’t California the state where you need to be 18 just to by spray paint?
I think we are already headed in that direction
skibidi@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Many states have similar laws for things you can inhale to get high.
nullspace@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The first thing they need to add to their DRM thing is those flexible dragons that have taken over half the booths at a local comic con. That and The Rock’s head.
VitoRobles@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
The dragon and Rock’s head is the Hello World of the 3D printer world.
Slashme@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I thought that was Benchy.
titanicx@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Why? They are great.
nullspace@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
For a first print, yeah. This is more me bitching about the artist alley of all my local cons being filled with 3D printed garbage than it is an endorsement of terrible DRM practices.
Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
3d prints that aren’t even a person’s own design have no place being in a line up of artists
VitoRobles@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
They’re like 3D printer 101.
This is like seeing baby’s first print and they’re trying to sell it.
KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I can’t wait for the EU to eagerly adopt this like they do for a lot of these dogs hit US decisions.
apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Fuck this country.
demizerone@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This what happens when a state is controlled by idiots. I wish we had opposition party that were not a bunch of boot licking freaks.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
not just idiots. selfish fucks and idiots.
ceenote@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Has a 3d printed gun been used in a crime? Ever?
echodot@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
The standards will not mandate perfect efficacy – they will allow for “an acceptably low level of evasion” against a bank of identified design files.
So the except this is basically an impossible task. Essentially they’re just going to check that the algorithm can detect the test examples and then anything beyond that is an acceptably low level of evasion apparently.
bagsy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Are we even fucking free any more?
ramenshaman@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Just configured my router to block my new printer. Looking up how to set up Linux to block my slicer. Fuck this sucks.
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
DIY 3D printers aren’t that difficult. It’s just two or three motors, a motion controller and a hot nozzle for most plastic printing. Replace the not nozzle with a really epic laser diode for metal parts. Even better with lithographic printing minus the really toxic fumes of the material. Take a really bright high resolution screen or maybe a projector and one motor and you got yourself a lithographic printer. Are you going to compete directly with cutting edge printers? Probably not. Will you still be able to make shit that works? Most likely after some tinkering.
thejml@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Soooooooo, go buy a new printer now is what I’m hearing.
rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I guess we’re returning to reprap then. That’ll actually be good for innovation, I think.
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Should put the tracker in the filament, since most ghost guns just get a solvent bath when they’re done now.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Criminals have easy access to real guns, they won’t bother with printing plastic ones. A terrorist will just go to a place where they don’t monitor to print them.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
California also wants firearms manufacturers to develop a system that stamps your serial number on bullet casings.
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
This is so stupid. This is designed by people who don’t understand 3D printing. This will catch nothing but fake guns that don’t work because they were printed in one solid piece, it won’t catch all the little pieces that you assemble afterwards.
AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
In case anyone is wondering why something so idiotic: The destruction of 3D printing: Bloomberg is behind it - YouTube
Of course this is not something a rag like the register and a fraudulent “Cybersecurity reporter” Connor Jones would tell you, but instead trying to actively hide from you. Even thought the evidence is right there. They’d rather tell you some stupid story.
This is yet another mad plutocrat meddling in democracy and neoliberalism and pundits providing some nonsense explanation to distract people.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Its not like americans can be trusted not to make their own bang sticks so fair enough.
FundMECFS@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
(1) Use DRM 3d printer to print copyleft non-DRM 3d printer (2) Profit??
Impractical_Island@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Shit, now how will I manufacture illegal sex toys and sex toy accessories in a covert, anonymous fashion? Woe us me…
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They’re using weapon printing as the wedge, but this is really about protecting all manufacturers.
ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
This is the thing imo. Come in under “ban ghost guns” but 10 years from now you try to print a new battery door for your remote and get blocked because the design is the property of Samsung.
Fuck Bambu and co, I’ll keep my voron around as long as humanly possible
LilBobbyTables@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
It’s more about protecting companies like Disney, Nintendo, etc replacement parts. 3D printing is rife with copyright infringement, and companies like those would absolutely love a way to block their IP from being printed, or to be able to sue those who do it.
Croquette@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
How long was building your voron? And how much did it cost you?
I would like to do it in the future, but right now time is a big constraint for me
bad1080@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
WOULD SOMEBODY THINK OF THE IP HOLDERS!!!