Is anyone else getting a little uncomfortable having their confirmation bias put in the spotlight like this?
Has anobody seen Odyssey?
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Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s a three hour movie. If you need a heuristic to justify why you saw it (or skipped it) do what is necessary.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
This is gonna have to be a home viewing because there will NEED to be at least one pee break and stretch exercise in the middle.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Nah, I know I’m fickle
ddplf@szmer.info 3 weeks ago
My man, If you need your tastes to be affirmed by some magical numbers, then I don’t know what to tell you.
1984@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
It’s not about affirmation, it’s about feeling connected to some parts or the human race. Mostly people who are simular to ourselves. When you meet your friends, you probably discuss things you all like. Its universal.
GladiusB@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
As much as I understand what you say, this is not one of those things for me. I just don’t care what other people like or don’t like. I am going to form my own opinion based on my own experience and information. I also don’t look at these ratings at all.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
It’s both. The old motherly advice “if your friends jumped off a bridge would you too?” still applies. Everything is intertwined.
Agent641@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Upvoting this
Duckingold@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The magic numbers are helpful to give you insight you missed something. I hated The Thin Red Line initially (I expected an action movie) but gave it a 2nd shot when I saw the high reviews. Enjoyed it more the 2nd watch.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
You mjst be great at parties :p
Sometimes it’s just fun to have someone that agrees with your opinion.
GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
All reviews are subjective personal opinions and if you personality enjoyed a game then they really shouldn’t get to you, unless of course there’s a despicable little niggling in the back of your mind that maybe you’re not having as much fun as you’ve convinced yourself you’re having, which doesn’t go away no matter how many times you try to slap it down with a wet flannel of weak excuses.
thethrilloftime69@feddit.online 3 weeks ago
I have a very simple system. If the movie was made for legitimate artistic reasons, then I think it was worth the effort to make it. If the movie was made to sell tickets, I don’t bother.
I decide which artistry is legitimate.
QuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
understandable but like, aren’t 99% of movies made to make a profit?
thethrilloftime69@feddit.online 3 weeks ago
Yes that’s true but I have a pretty simple algorithm for movies that were “made to sell tickets”
- franchise movies, especially if the story ended already
- comic book movies
- remakes
- movies based on a property that doesn’t translate well into movies(video games, certain kinds of books) -
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
The primary target can be X or Y or a 50/50 split.
Someone can have passion to make a movie but also wanting more € to make more movies.
Or get rich from the (maybe) one-hit wonder ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Trampampoline@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Simpler than that. The movie was made because Nolan saw the Titans movies and thought, “someone should make a not ‘ass’ version”.
cattywampas@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Seeing it on Sunday!
I do have an issue with the amount of stars in the movie, especially Zendaya, but I’ll try to keep an open mind.
I don’t care about the historical accuracy or the racial makeup of the cast, all I care about is whether it’s a movie I enjoy watching.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
especially Zendaya
She’s a stellar actress and a smokeshow.
I’m more annoyed that they included Matt Damon in the leading role. That guy’s been washed for years.
I don’t care about the historical accuracy or the racial makeup
I do think it’s very funny to be mad about Elliot Page for being transgender when I’d be more upset that he’s got zero tan in a movie about rugged sea faring people just north of Egypt.
Like so much Sword and Sandal flicks Hollywood produces, it’s way too white. Maybe make more movies that take place in the Baltics if you want to use this many Brits, Franks, and Nords.
cattywampas@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Agree to disagree, I’ve never seen anything I’ve enjoyed her in.
duckythescientist@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I actually think Damon did a good job in this one
OS2Warp@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
What movie?
jsheradin@fedia.io 3 weeks ago
Historically I never had the patience but I've watched a ton of movies over the past couple years (easily 300+) and initially I agreed with audience rating. Although I'm far from an insufferable cinephile and really don't care about underlying theory and whatnot, I definitely find myself agreeing more with critic rating now. Of course there's plenty of exceptions where I disagreed with both. Movies can be fun or awful for you regardless of what anyone else thinks.
That being said, I think Roger Ebert's reviews usually nail it. That man was a connoisseur of weird enjoyable movies and quick to call out corporate crap.
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
If you can manage subtitles I would suggest Survive Style 5+, don’t look it up, just watch.
Crescent@fedinsfw.app 3 weeks ago
Survive Style mentioned!
Katana314@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’ve been with this in video games too.
I spot it with Ubisoft. The entire audience is primed to the idea Ubisoft = Open World = Slop which is sometimes true but many levels of disingenuous. Ubi has some pretty good writers that have made some enjoyable characters, though they’re often muddled by the need to build 80 hours of content. So when a Ubisoft game gets good reviews (not often) everyone feels it was paid off and that it’s laden with microtransactions. Meanwhile I’ll be like “If I literally wanted to burn money on this game I wouldn’t even know which menu it’s in…”
Karjalan@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
As much as certain people like to proclaim reviewers are paid shills or sycophants, especially whenever a movie with diversity cast does well… The audience metric is nigh on useless half of the time.
Look at that Melania movies critic and audience score. Then see a genuinely great movie with some non white person cast in a main role get review bombed to hell and back by the same people
Dookieman12@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
See also: everyone driving slower than me is an idiot, everyone driving faster than me is an asshole.
Luisp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Disney movies like zootopia 2 are 100% but v for fucking vendetta is like 70? Wtf RT
Read the “professional reviews” and are like “my daughter liked it so 10/10”
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I love me some V for Vendetta, but Zootopia is also really good at what it is. It’s meant to entertain children while also having some laughs for the parents, and Disney is really good at that shit.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
That sounds about right, you need to think about who is going to see those movies. Zootopia will be parents and children, who are a lot easier to impress than the kind of snob that would watch V for Vendetta.
Hoimo@ani.social 3 weeks ago
A movie doesn’t have to be a flawless masterpiece to be 100%. Getting certified fresh on RT is honestly more a balancing act of meeting expectations, but also not being so predictable that it becomes bland.
4grams@awful.systems 3 weeks ago
I never look at reviews, I just go in expecting to be disappointed and so usually am not. Even shitty movies are fun since I plan on them sucking…
teslekova@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Bring a bucket of water balloons and you will enjoy every movie.
1984@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Odessey is a piece of shit movie. They even confess it’s made from “a female perspective”. It’s full of race swaps and gender swaps, pushing the same gay/trans agenda that we have seen for years from Hollywood now.
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
So I will admit I have absolutely no knowledge of this film. But why is a female perspective bad?
1984@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
This is a masculine story about a masculine hero if you haven’t noticed. That’s why feminist perspective makes the movie awful.
SethTaylor@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I haven’t seen it yet but I already hate your comment. What in the right-wing fuck is this and why is it getting upvoted? Go back to Facebook
Wataba@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Lemmy today seems like a hotbed for some of the shittiest bad faith takes out there.
1984@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
I dont like your comment either. Right wing? I couldn’t care less about politics.
clifmo@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
The question was for people who actually saw the movie. Not looked at the cast and decided their opinion based on their fucked up culture war politics before it even premiered.
noxypaws@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
My partner and I walked out of The Odyssey after ten minutes and got a refund.
WAY too loud. Excruciatingly, painfully, unnecessarily loud. And yet I still had trouble hearing some of the dialogue. We were in an AMC Dolby theater, and I don’t think I’ll ever go to a Dolby branded theater like that again.
I’m not sure how to split the blame here between AMC, Dolby, or Christopher Nolan, but I’m mad at all three for the ringing in my ear that’s still there several hours after we walked out.
Can’t comment on the movie itself as we barely saw any of it. Might see it at a different theater but I’ll be bringing earplugs just in case, though I may want a refund there too if it’s still so loud as to require earplugs.
Nolan really not helping his reputation at being an outright sadist when it comes to sound.
JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
Hey, I go to a lot of AMC theaters, I feel very strongly that it was the “Dolby” theater. I’ve had similar experiences there (but haven’t walked out). It might be a perfect storm of scenarios making it uniquely worse, but I can definitely say everyone in our group has all had the same experience at Dolby theaters.
RaoulDook@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
What’s really crazy to me is with movies like that that get drug through the social media culture war bullshit, all the people arguing about “how they should have made the movie” never seem to realize that they don’t get a choice about how anybody makes their movie. The movie-makers choose how they make their own movies, not the culture warriors or critics.
People should really back off and shut up about it all. “They should have done this, and the ending was all wrong” and so on. We don’t get a say in any of that. We just get to view the art that artists have created, and you can like it or not like it. That’s it.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
So people shouldn’t be allowed to talk about movies they don’t like?
RaoulDook@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Is that what I said? Nope, read it again.
The general point was the public’s perceived entitlement that their opinion matters in how movies are made, while they are not involved in any of those decisions in reality.
Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
The corpos funding them sure do
RaoulDook@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Some do and some don’t. Some filmmakers even choose to self-fund and make their movies however they want.
trslim@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
I watched it, did not care for it. To dark, there were so many points i could not see what was happening, WAY to loud, actually hurt my ears, and, i just did not enjoy it as an experience. Actors are all fine, but there were times where the writing felt clunky or out of place ngl.
noxypaws@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
My partner and I actually walked out after 10 or 15 minutes because it was so painfully loud. Asked for (and received) a refund.
Infuriating that I can’t trust movie theaters to maintain reasonable volumes. I shouldn’t have to bring earplugs to a movie.
ConstantPain@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I have so little incentive to go to the movies these days that any negativity, deserved or not, is just enough.
Zacryon@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Things to do when bored: arguing about taste.
stark@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
You forgot the “haha go woke go broke” and “fucking NPC” line.
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The Odyssey trailers did not appeal to me much, so I’m confused by the praise it’s getting, is it because it’s actually good or normies just giving it 10/10 because it’s a Nolan movie. I watched Oppenheimer in theater and realized I could have saved the cost of the ticket and watched it at home without losing much, how does this movie compare to that, I’ve liked most of Nolans other movies except Tenet
mlg@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
RT lost its credibility a long time ago and IMDB just results in the bell curve effect where most things end up at 3.5/5 which is too accurate/condensed for most people.
You need to follow a couple or even just one film critic who makes quality reviews on their own if you want good information.
kamee@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
I love Man of Steel, needed a bit better editing (because his conflict between helping humanity or not is undermined by pretty early on by helping those offshore workers) but otherwise I think it’s a pretty good movie.
DandomRude@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I think the best approach is to find reviewers whose tastes largely align with your own. Their reviews can serve as a good reference when you’re looking for a movie you haven’t seen yet.
There are simply too many criteria you could apply. The “Cinesiasts”, for example—who like films like Citizen Kane or works by Ingmar Bergman, Aki Kaurismäki, and the like—naturally know a great deal about their field. However, that by no means means their reviews would be a good reference point for the general public, who simply want to be entertained and don’t place too much value on artistic merit or the most elaborate technical skills of filmmakers.
QuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
cars 2 is the best one fight me
duckythescientist@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I saw it opening night! I enjoyed it, but I wouldn’t call it amazing. Solid 8/10 and no complaints
lordbritishbusiness@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I have. I enjoyed the heck out of it, it’s a retelling definitely intended for modern audiences with some things removed and additional historical context added.
It’s an excellent telling of an old story that reminds you that the Iliad was not truly glorious, and those that go to war will not come back the same.
OriginEnergySux@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Nope, I’m still pissed off at Ridley Scott’s Napoleon for changing things historically. It was a fun movie and really entertaining but it pissed me off so I couldn’t fully enjoy it.
I’m assuming this movie will be the same, so I’ll pass until I learn to let things go
Draegur@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
If there’s a movie I don’t like,
and I see the rating site consensus showing “low critic score + high audience score”,
THAT is more likely than anything else to re-evaluate my opinion.And if there’s a movie I DO like,
But it gets an AWFUL audience rating despite high praise from the professional critics,
That will ACTUALLY make me second guess and wonder if I’m wrong about how good I thought it was.I fucking hate the professional critic grift ._.
Trampampoline@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Movies you haven’t seen:
91% 89%
“this might be good, idk… nah, probably not.”
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
But people don’t know anything and you should form an opinion of your own. Even if it’s a garbage opinion everyone else hates.
andxz@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Just came home from watching it. I’ve read it quite a few times, both out loud to students and by myself, so I didn’t go in completely blind so to speak.
Still, it managed to confuse me a few times, especially the conversations, and at some points, a little who’s who. (Might just have been me, though. See below).
Still, overall, it was a pleasure to watch. Damon gives a good performance. It’s not the best he’s ever done, in my opinion, but he’s good enough to carry a large part of the movie by himself. There are other standouts from his crew as well, and Pattinson is his usual brooding self, which fits right in here.
It’s quite hard to write about further details without spoiling stuff, but one thing I can say is that the scenery is veet well done. If you go in expecting Greek summer weather, you’re in for quite the surprise. The backdrops were gorgeous as well. The CGI is also quite well made, imo.
Anyway, to be completely honest here, I have issues with my spine and right leg (the ischias nerve) so I’m pretty heavily medicated It might have put a positive tint on the whole thing, I don’t know.
(tl;dr) Still, in my opinion, it’s very much worth watching, and if you can afford it, it’s worth watching it in a movie theatre because of the effects and sound.
drath@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
If this is a place to throw hot takes: Battlefield Earth is better than Mad Max 1979, if only just marginally.
nialv7@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I mean, exactly? Only thing that really matters is whether you enjoyed it or not. To hell with other people’s opinions
cmbabul@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
I swear rotten tomatoes and IMDb fucked up movies and tv more than anyone talks about. You can’t REALLY make an review of a work of art, even if it is corporate produced tripe, with a percentage scale or */10 system, and before anyone comes at me I know it’s been done for decades but it was never a be all and end all thing, critics wrote articles about things and you might disagree with their sensibilities and go see it specifically because a particular critic didn’t like it, the opposite is also true.
At some point though we crossed a line where no one actually reads the criticism and internalizes it, instead they just look at the number and make it either a personal attack or validation. Thats a really bad way to experience art of any kind.
This isn’t a complete thought I feel, but I hate the reality of film and television criticism today, not because critics are worthless, because that’s just silly. If you like something Peter Travers said was dog shit go find a critic that speaks to your taste it’s not difficult and doesn’t mean your favorite movie actually sucks.
JDPoZ@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I agree they both fucked it up, but my main problem is how there seems to have been a clear shift in how they “weigh” reviews after both IMDB and RT were bought by large corporate entities (Amazon and Fandango, respectively).
I can’t help but feel like a lot of the movies coming out from those companies or their subsidiaries somehow manage to get higher overall review scores on RT and IMDB than they maybe deserve.
For example, that shitty right-wing nationalist churchslop movie “Young Washington” got relatively high scores on RT… Image
…and IMDB…
…but not on Letterbox’d…
…which is one of the main reasons I shifted to checking Letterbox’d for reviews… but unfortunately, another day to shift to a different platform be coming soon again.
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 3 weeks ago
In Darknet Diaries Ep 27: Chartbreakers, Jack Rhysider describes how cheap and easy it is to buy your way to the top of the Apple Podcasts rating chart or onto the New York Times bestseller list.
After listening to this, it’s pretty easy to extend the logic to every other rating platform. Paying for review manipulation is basically part of the marketing budget.
cmbabul@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
I want to be clear I don’t disagree at all you’re correct. Corporate control of art means they will go to any lengths to ensure profit.
But also, I really kinda glossed over the overarching problem, which is that the film industry is now driven by reviews and vibes reviewed by c-suite folks that answer to shareholders and don’t give a fuck about the actual film or show or whatever
This has always been true with the plastic arts but we’ve reached a zenith.
I will die on the hill that art cannot be considered a financial investment. It by definition has to take risks and investment people cannot handle that
grrgyle@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
Yeah fedi needs a letterboxd. I kind of wonder if bookwyrm would be a good inspo for it.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Toy Story is 100%
What does that mean? Does it mean it’s the best movie ever made? Nope, it just means everyone at least kinda likes it. It’s Toy Story, it’s a good movie. Though I wouldn’t say it’s the greatest movie of all time. Just a decent movie.
The way the scoring works means that if everyone thinks a movie is better than average, the movie gets a perfect score.
If 75% of the critics think something was the greatest movie ever, while 25% didn’t like it, it’s a 75% score. It might be a movie you’ll think is the greatest movie ever too, but you might give it a miss to watch movie that 90% of the critics thought was just ok instead.
So if a studio is making a movie to try to get a good score, they will make it so it doesn’t offend anyone, and have it universally be considered ok. The way these sites measure movies encourages mediocrity and playing it safe.
cmbabul@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
Good to see a fellow ball knower out here
grrgyle@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
Yeah these ratings are worse than useless. Oh The Abyss 14% better than Amelia?? Fuck off, Poindexter.
They’re completely disconnected from my own opinions and when I see then before watching a movie they just distract me by wondering what tf other were watching.
You can’t map.reduce this shit, it’s totally subjective
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Kinda why Siskel and Ebert was popular back in the day. Siskel approached criticism as being about trying to encourage film makers to make better movies. Ebert was about indicating whether he thought the audience would like the movie. So they would debate. One of them or both would often be wrong. But from the discussion you could get an idea about whether it’s a movie you might enjoy.
There just isn’t anything like that now. You’re going either hear someone tell you it’s the best thing ever, or it’s the worst thing ever. Someone will review it as if it’s supposed to be art while someone else will tell you if it’s got good action scenes in it. These will all be ones or zeros that are added up to produce a rotten tomato number. We don’t even really know what perspective someone is reviewing something from.
You’re right, it’s all subjective so there’s no way to know whether you’ll like a movie until you’ve watched it yourself.
amorpheus@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Yet we agree that there is such a thing as one movie being better than another, broadly speaking. It’s not something to boil down to a percentage, but you might as well show more detail when you have the data.
Personally, I use ratings to estimate whether a movie that I’m interested in is worth my time. Especially Rotten Tomatoes is super useful for this because the critics score is basically a distilled thumbs up or down.
brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 3 weeks ago
They are not reviewing work of art though, they are reviewing products.
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
There’s too much media now. Used to be, a few good movies came out every couple months. Now between all the studios and streaming services and other formats, we exist within the cone of a firehose of content. No one has time to read and internalize reviews, they’re just looking to filter the firehouse to a binary watch/don’t watch
1984@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
I view the rating as marketing these days. There are so many awful movies with good reviews, that I’m 100% convinced that they use bots to push the rating, trying to increase the sales.