Philosophy has peaked. Checkmate atheists

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• RedIce25@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

  Wtf, do they think necrophilia/bestiality is morally acceptable?

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• TheFunkyMonk@lemmy.world ⁨28⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

  As an atheist… the fuck did I just read?

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• robocall@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  What does this have to do with atheists?

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  • NateNate60@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    This is a common “gotcha” argument that floats around the Internet. Essentially, it posits that under the teachings of a given religion (typically Christianity), there is a source of morality which is absolute. That might be the religion’s holy text, deity, or the religious authorities of that religion. In either case, there is one authoritative source which dictates what is morally correct and not correct for the entire universe from now until eternity.

    So, the argument goes, if one is to reject the teachings of this or all religions, as irreligious people do, it necessarily means accepting that morality is inherently relative and that there is no absolute standard for mortality that is universally applicable. Therefore, as the argument goes, since one would have to accept that morality is relative, it can be framed relative to anything or nothing, and therefore there is no act which can be immoral relative to any reference frames in a context without religion. And therefore, nothing can be said to be immoral because whether it is moral is relative.

    That’s the end of the argument.

    To its credit, there isn’t anything wrong with this argument. But I do believe the argument posits that conclusion to be far worse than it really is. Suppose I am an irreligious person. Why is fornication with roadkill immoral? Well, because I think it is. It makes me feel bad and the reward gained isn’t worth the risk (the embarrassment of being seen in the act or catching some disease from it). Therefore I don’t do it. Is it possible that some person could think that it is moral? Yes, absolutely. But that doesn’t matter, because even if relative to one person’s moral compass an act is moral, doesn’t mean that people in general can’t just collectively reject that perspective and condemn the act as a group. In fact, human societies imposing their views on what is and is not moral relative to their own experience describes pretty much the entirety of human history.

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    • ccryx@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      I think there are (at least) two things wrong with the argument:

      1. it assumes that there can be no source of absolute morality aside from religion, ignoring centuries if not millennia of moral philosophy/ethics (which at least tries to answer the question seriously).
      2. even if nonreligious sources of morality don’t exist, the argument assumes that religion is a source of absolute morality. since conflicting religions exist, the religionness-property alone is not enough to validate religion as a source of absolute morality.

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    • Chozo@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      It sounds an awful lot to me like Christians want to fuck horses. Or at the VERY least, they spend a concerning amount of time thinking about fucking horses.

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    • Grail@multiverse.soulism.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I think fornicating with an animal is no worse than voring it, and I know dozens of people who vore animals. Personally, I’m vegan, except for kangaroos and bees.

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• flamingos@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Does this logic also apply to human corpses? Like if I go to a morgue…

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  • decolo@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    corpses are dead and cannot receive a moral injury.

    (setting aside the potential to cause a plague outbreak, which is a morality issue IMO)

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• Grail@multiverse.soulism.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I agree, but I’ll also say it’s immoral if you have a conflict of interest. Such as if you paid a friend to run it over.

  I view fucking an animal and voring an animal the same way: If it was going to die anyway, it’s okay. If you’re paying for it to die needlessly, you’re evil.

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  • Vespair@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    Such as if you paid a friend to run it over.

    That’s still you committing a roadkill, just second hand.

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